RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3: The Peacekeepers [P2 Update 22] [N_taii]

[InstaPrincess]

I don't like Cyanna's content for two reasons, neither of which are due to how predictable it is. The vast majority of the storylines in the HC games are predictable to me and I don't consider that a problem. Predictable isn't necessarily bad so long as the content is good and, for the most part, it is good. Case in point, update 17 is probably going to feature a decent amount of Leto being an absolute blockhead and managing to miss Rose and Cyanna's slutty behaviour even though he's going to be in the thick of it as they fuck around him in public places and behind nearby closed doors. It's predictable... but that's not a bad thing.

The biggest problem I have with Cyanna's content is that it's depressing. Unlike Rose, Haylen, and Lily, Cyanna is the only one being actively victimized by her partner. Yes, the duke and the magic shop owner are manipulating Rose and Lily, but the manner in which they're doing it makes it feel less overtly abusive and cruel. Ulrod, however, is verbally abusive, borderline physically abusive, and extremely emotionally abusive. To this Cyanna responds with a downcast and sullen attitude, which is understandable, but does not make for fun to watch porn, which sucks since I like her character design a lot.

The second reason is that Ulrod is just an absolute dipstick. He lumbers around all "I AM THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE IN THE GAME... Now excuse me while I act like a petulant child because the girl I've been simping for since I was 6 is in love with someone else." and he never gets better. He's a jealous, petty, immature, tryhard manchild.

Obviously all the stories are predictable. We all know where they go ultimately and what the vibe will be. What I miss with Cyanna is that there's so little depth to her conflict. She wants to protect Leto and that's... it. There is no back and forth, no struggle, no moral dilemma. She is passive. She just gives in and goes with the flow. It's very boring to me.

I actually would not mind it being dark(er even) but for that there must be a struggle. She is the one with the most potential to be a fighter and a leader and she acts like sheep. If she were a proper counter weight to Ulrod's comic-villain-schtick it'd make for a much better story.

 

[Oriandu]

Obviously all the stories are predictable. We all know where they go ultimately and what the vibe will be. What I miss with Cyanna is that there's so little depth to her conflict. She wants to protect Leto and that's... it. There is no back and forth, no struggle, no moral dilemma. She is passive. She just gives in and goes with the flow. It's very boring to me.

I actually would not mind it being dark(er even) but for that there must be a struggle. She is the one with the most potential to be a fighter and a leader and she acts like sheep. If she were a proper counter weight to Ulrod's comic-villain-schtick it'd make for a much better story.

You're not wrong. Cyanna's story is very skin deep and there's been no hint of it advancing any further. Every other girl has had a wrinkle in their corruption so far. Rose's thinking is slowly aligning with the duke's, she's not necessarily going to turn evil but the duke's cynicism is starting to infect her. Lily was the most active participant in her own corruption and was the only one to actually kick things off by using it to her advantage. Haylen's content has a bit of an impregnation kink on occasion. The only one who doesn't have that is Cyanna. Even without providing more story depth to her scenes with Ulrod a kink of some kind would certainly help, maybe a public sex once since she's so obsessed with projecting a strong, upstanding image? Maybe she starts taking a more dominant role in her scenes with Ulrod? Dunno, but it'd definitely be nice if there was more to it.

One of the problems, I think, is that because she's one of two women involved in the main story she is constantly outshone by Rose. The split perspective scenes have also done her no favours in that regard.

 

[Matoga]

One of the problems, I think, is that because she's one of two women involved in the main story she is constantly outshone by Rose. The split perspective scenes have also done her no favours in that regard.

Yep, exacly what i was gonna say until i saw you end your post with it. That is, in my opinion, without a doubt Cyanna's greatest weakness/problem, split pers. scenes included.
In earlier Updates it was a little bit better whenever it was just Leto, Cyanna and Ulrod in like a military camp or whatever, but overall her contribution to the plot is...negligible at best, and the reason why you don't feel the same way about Haylen and Lily is because, despite being side characters, they do have their own individual storylines in which they're at the center of all that is happening, and Cyanna just doesn't have that, i wanna say that she's softlocked behind Rose but even that's not true, she's just...there, the best way i could put it right now is that Cyanna to Rose is what Naevyr is to Haylen, it's Haylen's story, Naevyr is just part of that story, nothing more.

Makes you wonder if it really is a good idea to make every character in HC4 a Main Character.

 

[Matoga]

The only thing i can think of that could improve Cyanna's corruption as a whole at this point is to make her a complete slut as soon as possible, which sounds extremely bland and surface level in an NTR game, especially in a Henteria game (just to clarify, i'm not saying that HC is god's gift to humanity, i'm just saying that 8 out 10 NTR games are cliché and are poorly written), but besides the point that Oriandu was making, that Rose overshadows Cyanna at every given opportunity, another thing that he said was that you just can't help but feel extremely bad for Cyanna, to the point where you actually don't want to see her scenes, and that is something that you just shouldn't have in an NTR game.

In many of her earlier scenes (around Update 8-9-10), Cyanna was berating herself constantly, or not even berating HERSELF necessarily, rather she was asking Ulrod to berate her, and those are the only times that i can think of where i wasn't feeling bad for Cyanna, and so i guess what i'm saying is that i really don't think that at this point Cyanna's story can be improved a whole lot, but her scenes definitely can, and so i guess i'd rather see a bland story with very good scenes than a slightly less bland story where in half of the scenes i feel too bad for Cyanna to actually enjoy...just about anything about what i'm seeing.

 

[Miss Y]

Makes you wonder if it really is a good idea to make every character in HC4 a Main Character.

I think it could be a very helpful change... on the specific condition that the game is able to just naturally interweave them as part of the story instead of breaking things up so artificially. That if we didn't have the dedicated Lily -> Haylen sidequest months in between every single step of the story, it would be a lot easier to juggle the characters from update to update. Instead of having it be "this month is Rose, next month is Cyanna", the story just unfolds and characters get content whenever it makes sense because you don't have a mandatory 3-4 month gap if you have an update where Cyanna doesn't get anything important to do. But as long as she is forcibly paired up with Rose in the same month, it's basically inevitable that she will get the short end of the stick because Rose's arc is so much more involved with pushing the game's central mystery forward.


Though personally, feeling bad for Cyanna hasn't been the issue for me at all because I'm an emotional masochist who prefers when NTR is super bleak and depressing. I really like her character, and I want to feel bad for her. But everything with Ulrod is just this surface-level "I'm a bad man because I'm calling you a whore while we fuck!" approach, so it rarely ever manages to scratch that itch for me. My main problem is just that her interactions with Ulrod play out the same way over and over again in isolation behind closed doors, and then they go right back to their usual dynamic like nothing has changed.

 

[Readerf2b]

He's a jealous, petty, immature, tryhard manchild.

Is it bad? I mean, he is antagonist in NTR game, so... He kinda, supposed to treat girl like dirt and still have her jump on his dick on every opportunity on contrast with protag, no?

 

[Oriandu]

Is it bad? I mean, he is antagonist in NTR game, so... He kinda, supposed to treat girl like dirt and still have her jump on his dick on every opportunity on contrast with protag, no?

It's bad because he's boring and it makes his scenes boring. Ulrod is not an interesting character and Cyanna is a mopey sad sack and between the two that adds up to boring scenes. Ulrod being a raging simp for Cyanna also negates most of his negative character traits in a way that just makes him seem like a loser.

In regards to the all women being part of the main cast in a hypothetical HC4, I don't think that they all should be main characters. My view is that there should be a main cast and a secondary cast, however the secondary cast shouldn't be relegated to side quests. Their content should still be mandatory.

 

[ktez]

It's bad because he's boring and it makes his scenes boring. Ulrod is not an interesting character and Cyanna is a mopey sad sack and between the two that adds up to boring scenes. Ulrod being a raging simp for Cyanna also negates most of his negative character traits in a way that just makes him seem like a loser.

In regards to the all women being part of the main cast in a hypothetical HC4, I don't think that they all should be main characters. My view is that there should be a main cast and a secondary cast, however the secondary cast shouldn't be relegated to side quests. Their content should still be mandatory.

Thats what I've been saying since the start of the game, I will never stop saying that her storyline is not hot. Like, you don´t feel any exciting thing from that storyline, there's no crossing blurry lines, nothing

 

[Matoga]

I think it could be a very helpful change... on the specific condition that the game is able to just naturally interweave them as part of the story instead of breaking things up so artificially. That if we didn't have the dedicated Lily -> Haylen sidequest months in between every single step of the story, it would be a lot easier to juggle the characters from update to update. Instead of having it be "this month is Rose, next month is Cyanna", the story just unfolds and characters get content whenever it makes sense because you don't have a mandatory 3-4 month gap if you have an update where Cyanna doesn't get anything important to do.

Well, technically all N_Taii needs to do is that he needs to create a story for HC4 that does not revolve around 1 singular female character so that nobody can overshadow the rest of the cast (like obviously Rose in HC3), not entirely like in HC2 but he definitely did a much better job at balancing Celis and Aywin's importance in that game.

A story that is a bit more separated from the female cast and where they're more or less equally involved in it is the best that we can hope for, if we don't want another Cyanna that is.

 

[Dav1233555]

Hey guys playing this for the first time and of course I’m pissed I wanna kill all these weirdo pervs do I even get to have 1 on 1 sex with the girls

 

[Matoga]

In regards to the all women being part of the main cast in a hypothetical HC4, I don't think that they all should be main characters. My view is that there should be a main cast and a secondary cast, however the secondary cast shouldn't be relegated to side quests. Their content should still be mandatory.

I don't really care how N_Taii labels them as long as their quests are mandatory and as long as he stops at 3, i do think that 4 girls is better overall, but i don't know how doable that would be with the improved pixel sprites. We're almost on a bi-montly release schedule already with all the different custon aminations, multiple freeroams that are borderline mini-scenes, 2 separate PoVs, mini stories etc., i really don't want HC4 to divide itself between 4 different women, especially when i think how further we could be in HC3's story and how many more scenes there would be for the others if Lily didn't exist.

 

[Matoga]

Although what i really want from HC4 is a different family dynamic between the characters altogether, we've been playing as a young MC that is between the age of 18 and 20 for three games in a row now, just like how we've had a (step)sister that's the same age as us, or how we've had a middle aged mother and a childhood friend.

I REALLY want HC4 to have an MC that is like a middle aged man with an already established family, like a wife that's the same age Aywin, or a daughter that's the same age as Rose or Cyanna, maybe even a second daugher that's around the same age as the first one, or a sister who's married to a guy like Goras's son from HC2, she would also be like an Aunt to your kid(s), or we could stick with the ol' reliable mother character, however since the MC is a middle aged man with an adult child, that mother would be like in her late 50s or something, with a few gray locks of hair here and there, or i guess if N_Taii decides to go back and make an elven family like he did in HC2 then that mother doesn't even necessarily have to look older than the wife i guess.

 

[Jeferss12]

It would be great if they added a button on the main screen to jump between day and night, because the truth is that it is quite annoying to have to go to your room every time just to be able to do this.

 

[Readerf2b]

It's bad because he's boring and it makes his scenes boring. Ulrod is not an interesting character and Cyanna is a mopey sad sack and between the two that adds up to boring scenes. Ulrod being a raging simp for Cyanna also negates most of his negative character traits in a way that just makes him seem like a loser.

In regards to the all women being part of the main cast in a hypothetical HC4, I don't think that they all should be main characters. My view is that there should be a main cast and a secondary cast, however the secondary cast shouldn't be relegated to side quests. Their content should still be mandatory.

You say its boring because Ulrod is not an interesting character, but I would say its more because Cyanna is not that close to protag.

Ok, i missed the part were you said that you don't like overly abusive Ulrod and realistically not happy Cyanna. That i can relate to. But I think it will soon be fixed. I mean porn rules - all girls are masochists, they just don't know it yet.

 

[basheree]

Hey guys playing this for the first time and of course I’m pissed I wanna kill all these weirdo pervs do I even get to have 1 on 1 sex with the girls

yeah, just wait for your turn

 

[Jeferss12]

I have the hypothesis that later on, the Duke will seek to accuse Leto of being a traitor, just like Zeno did with Noa in HC2, and somehow they will use that ocarina that Shanni gave to Leto to be able to attack the tribe.

 

[Jeferss12]

not a single three star card so far, :_D

 

[Oriandu]

You say its boring because Ulrod is not an interesting character, but I would say its more because Cyanna is not that close to protag.

Ok, i missed the part were you said that you don't like overly abusive Ulrod and realistically not happy Cyanna. That i can relate to. But I think it will soon be fixed. I mean porn rules - all girls are masochists, they just don't know it yet.

Yeah, I can put up with Ulrod being a boring character so long as the scenes aren't depressing. I find all of the male characters outside of the duke boring. Jazon is a basic bitch man whore and the magic shop owner is a bog standard creepy older boss. But the content of the scenes makes up for that. The content of Cyanna's scenes don't. Most of her scenes are either coerced or guilt trips and even now that her corruption has set in they're still not fun. I understand why, of course, as it's the nature of her character and the fact that Rose, Lily, and Haylen were given the choice to being their corruption while Cyanna's began with guilt, emotional abuse, and coercion, but the fact that her character hasn't evolved along with her corruption as the rest of the women have makes it hard to enjoy her content. Since replacing Ulrod with a different partner leading to scenes she enjoys isn't likely, my hope is that she kind of just has a "If we're going to do this we're doing it my way." moment soon and things turn around for her.

 

[Readerf2b]

Yeah, I can put up with Ulrod being a boring character so long as the scenes aren't depressing. I find all of the male characters outside of the duke boring. Jazon is a basic bitch man whore and the magic shop owner is a bog standard creepy older boss. But the content of the scenes makes up for that. The content of Cyanna's scenes don't. Most of her scenes are either coerced or guilt trips and even now that her corruption has set in they're still not fun. I understand why, of course, as it's the nature of her character and the fact that Rose, Lily, and Haylen were given the choice to being their corruption while Cyanna's began with guilt, emotional abuse, and coercion, but the fact that her character hasn't evolved along with her corruption as the rest of the women have makes it hard to enjoy her content. Since replacing Ulrod with a different partner leading to scenes she enjoys isn't likely, my hope is that she kind of just has a "If we're going to do this we're doing it my way." moment soon and things turn around for her.

Or she is turn into huge maso. That is super happy to be a punching bag and a doormat.

 

[Kelly_Brady]

Well I love Cyanna and Haylen content would have loved even more if they had some scenes with Duke somehow but I know that probably wont happend for Lore reasons because it would break story. Still girl can have hopes