RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3: The Peacekeepers [P2 Update 22] [N_taii]

[Oriandu]

isn't hc3 the slowest in main character corruption? 1 was in my opinion pretty fast, it was a pain to go walk to the cabin but other than that I thought it was fine

Not really. HC1 is the shortest so technically speaking you get there the fastest, but it also has the slowest opening, only has keyboard controls, has fewer characters with fewer scenes, one of the three characters is your blood sister and therefore her arc is completely separate and therefore less relevant, and one of the three characters starts her corruption later than the other two and most of it happens off screen. HC3 has more places to go but the game sets about corrupting the world at a much higher clip than the first two games. You get your first sex scene like 30 seconds in, as soon as Brutus/Ulrod is introduced he immediately starts corrupting the guard, and the Duke's manor is a den of depravity. HC3 corrupts the world almost immediately and while the actual corruption of the main women hasn't been as abrupt as it was in HC1, it is more detailed and therefore feels like proper corruption instead of just... being drugged into sex like HC1.

Awww man, I started the game today and thought it was extremely good (as usual from the dev), good build up, good story, etc...

And then I came to the scene where Cyanna discovers Brutus identity and fuck it turns out he's like her best friend from before and he's evidently very in love with her. I hoped he would just be a strong brute looking to subdue strong females but the dude is just an actual simp. Why did they have to know each other ? That breaks the NTR so hard, I can already predict that he's going to use her guilt or something, or maybe he will promise her to take care of the MC or something like that in order to gain favors.
Fuck Cyanna was the best and she's ruined...

What does that bring to do that, damn I can't get it.

My interest has immensely dropped, I'm sad.

Remember that Cyanna isn't really supposed to be NTR, the woman who fulfill that role in HC3 is Rose. I agree that Ulrod isn't exactly an interesting character and his backstory is pretty simpy, but he's still forcing Alys into doing what he wants, he's still exerting a corrupting influence onto the guard as a whole, and he's still making Cyanna do things that she doesn't want to do with him. Cyanna's storyline is the worst of the main four women, but she does still get good scenes.

Spoiler: HC3 spoilers for Cyanna

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But yeah, if NTR is what you want then wait until Rose starts getting scenes before you make up your mind on the game.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

Remember that Cyanna isn't really supposed to be NTR

For me, NTR can happen with anyone the MC shares a strong bond with, not only lovers, partners, wives, etc… It could be a really good friend, a close family member, or anything that fits the description. When this bond is severed, or replaced by an even stronger bond caused mainly by manipulation and sexual corruption of the woman by the antagonist, that’s NTR. Here, that’s the general definition I use for the NTR in my games.

 

[N_taii]

I guess everyone has their own definition of what really constitutes netorare in eroges.^^

 

[Chaussettes]

Not really. HC1 is the shortest so technically speaking you get there the fastest, but it also has the slowest opening, only has keyboard controls, has fewer characters with fewer scenes, one of the three characters is your blood sister and therefore her arc is completely separate and therefore less relevant, and one of the three characters starts her corruption later than the other two and most of it happens off screen. HC3 has more places to go but the game sets about corrupting the world at a much higher clip than the first two games. You get your first sex scene like 30 seconds in, as soon as Brutus/Ulrod is introduced he immediately starts corrupting the guard, and the Duke's manor is a den of depravity. HC3 corrupts the world almost immediately and while the actual corruption of the main women hasn't been as abrupt as it was in HC1, it is more detailed and therefore feels like proper corruption instead of just... being drugged into sex like HC1.


Remember that Cyanna isn't really supposed to be NTR, the woman who fulfill that role in HC3 is Rose. I agree that Ulrod isn't exactly an interesting character and his backstory is pretty simpy, but he's still forcing Alys into doing what he wants, he's still exerting a corrupting influence onto the guard as a whole, and he's still making Cyanna do things that she doesn't want to do with him. Cyanna's storyline is the worst of the main four women, but she does still get good scenes.

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But yeah, if NTR is what you want then wait until Rose starts getting scenes before you make up your mind on the game.

It's just not the same. Everybody has its idea yeah, but I just think Brutus being a long lost friend that could never get over the "love" of his life when he was a child is just instantly weaker as a NTR antagonist. Even a few scenes after, at the end of the scenes, he's always like "Oh Cyanna, I swear I'll have you one day", "you're mine" blablabla.

I was hoping he would just be like a force of nature that could never find his match and now presented with a very skilled and strong woman it kind of like stimulate his need of domination. I think it would have made for far better NTR possibilities but w/e. And even if not that, just not what we got, I think it's one of the worst options in any case.

 

[DicksInSpace]

It's just not the same. Everybody has its idea yeah, but I just think Brutus being a long lost friend that could never get over the "love" of his life when he was a child is just instantly weaker as a NTR antagonist. Even a few scenes after, at the end of the scenes, he's always like "Oh Cyanna, I swear I'll have you one day", "you're mine" blablabla.

I was hoping he would just be like a force of nature that could never find his match and now presented with a very skilled and strong woman it kind of like stimulate his need of domination. I think it would have made for far better NTR possibilities but w/e. And even if not that, just not what we got, I think it's one of the worst options in any case.

I think conqueror looking for a new challenge sounds like a great alternative, probably too far into the game to make such changes though

 

[iCrown24]

I recently made the decision to play HC1, I had not done so until now because I had read that it was not necessary to play it because it had no relation with the other games, and also because it is the poorest game of the saga (which is understandable because it is the first one).

I must say that despite its limitations I liked it, although I can tell that it aged very badly if we compare it with HC2 and HC3. Not only for the character models, but also for the story and personality. I also liked that it laid the foundations and the type of mechanics that will be seen in the saga.

Although it is a short and somewhat strange game (because I found several bugs) you can see the love and effort that N_taii put into it and you can also see the evolution he has had as a developer.

It would be interesting if at some point N_taii decides to make a ramake to HC1, I don't know how difficult it is to pass all the code and scripts from RPG Maker VX Ace to MV, and honestly I doubt that among N_taii's plans is to remake his old games, but it would be interesting.

 

[quandin]

Even a few scenes after, at the end of the scenes, he's always like "Oh Cyanna, I swear I'll have you one day", "you're mine" blablabla.

why is this so true, it's his catchphrase by now

 

[iCrown24]

I guess everyone has their own definition of what really constitutes netorare in eroges.^^

Exactly, everyone can have their own definition and tastes about the NTR genre. I at least share the same view that NTR is not only when there is infidelity between lovers/boyfriends/spouses. It is also when there is an important bond between two people, friendship, family, etc.

That is why some creators label their work as cheating, so for users who are only looking for the characters' relationship to be a couple it's easier to find them.

P.S: Let's remember that within the NTR there are several subgenres.

NTR when the relationship can be a friend, sister, mom, aunt, girlfriend, wife, daughter, etc

Cheating when the relationship is exclusively boyfriends, lovers or spouses.

Netorase when one of the two parties is aroused or allows their partner to have relationship with another person.

And Netori which from what I understand is when the partner of one of the MC's is not shown and only mentioned a few times (basically NTR but Vanilla haha).

If we put ourselves in perspective, practically N_taii in its games uses all the subgenres of NTR and that is why the HC saga for me is the maximum exponent of NTR in terms of games.

 

[Oriandu]

By definition she's not NTR. NTR is about a romantic or a potential romantic partner being stolen from someone via good dicking and she's not in a relationship with Leto and given their adoptive sibling relationship she's not a partner that Leto seems to view as an option. So there's still going to be emotional betrayal, there's still going to be corruption, and she's still going to be "stolen away" from Leto, but if you're looking for NTR that actually hits home like it should then Rose is already fulfilling that role. Plus you don't really have to worry about Ulrod's simpish motivation.

At best Cyanna fills that whole "close sibling stolen away be sleazeball" type of pseudo NTR, but Leto so far hasn't exactly made it seem like they have that kind of relationship.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

By definition she's not NTR

From the dev's interpretation of things (which I agree with) it's still "supposed" to be NTR, even if you disagree with their definition.

 

[Darak700]

An offshoot of Cyanna cannot be called NTR, since she is not Leto's girlfriend, but his Sister, although she is adopted and has feelings for him, but he does not have her. Here's Rosa for the real NTR since she's his girlfriend.

 

[Mitsuna]

The lack of content is truly disheartening imo compared to the time it takes to produce each update. Also so many missed opportunities jeez. The worst thing actually freeroam content, iirc there is like 1 worthwhile scene so far (in shower, kinda felt out of place but makes one wonder how much character development you've missed due to the lack of game content). It's more fun if you don't get to see everything, but I believe order shouldn't be fucked up like that. Meaning you shouldn't see things what didn't happen yet according to the later story.

 

[N_taii]

The lack of content is truly disheartening imo compared to the time it takes to produce each update. Also so many missed opportunities jeez. The worst thing actually freeroam content, iirc there is like 1 worthwhile scene so far (in shower, kinda felt out of place but makes one wonder how much character development you've missed due to the lack of game content). It's more fun if you don't get to see everything, but I believe order shouldn't be fucked up like that. Meaning you shouldn't see things what didn't happen yet according to the later story.

Everything that happens in freeroams has happened in the story earlier. Also, the game has several hours of gameplay, currently almost 30 scenes (not counting the smallest stuff too short to get added to the reminiscence room) and over 30 freeroam events, and we're not even halfway through the game. If you think that's lacking content, I wonder what constitutes "a lot of content" in your book?

 

[Mitsuna]

Everything that happens in freeroams has happened in the story earlier.

Not in every instance I think that's why I was a bit surprised, since I didn't get that event at that point.

Also, the game has several hours of gameplay, currently almost 30 scenes (not counting the smallest stuff too short to get added to the reminiscence room) and over 30 freeroam events, and we're not even halfway through the game. If you think that's lacking content, I wonder what constitutes "a lot of content" in your book?

I'm not sure, too much text and most of it is lacking and empty, some of it feels forced and/or out of place. This is not a content, it feels like gameplay time is forcibly prolonged for no reason. And hunting for the freeroam events was like the worst experience in my life even with game assist, it's also boring and repetitive.

 

[N_taii]

Not in every instance I think that's why I was a bit surprised, since I didn't get that event at that point.

The only instance you pointed at is shower Cyanna. I'm not sure what happened in there that didn't happen in the story?

I'm not sure, too much text and most of it is lacking and empty, some of it feels forced and/or out of place. This is not a content, it feels like gameplay time is forcibly prolonged for no reason. And hunting for the freeroam events was like the worst experience in my life even with game assist, it's also boring and repetitive.

What you're describing isn't lack of content, it's content you don't like. That's different. Also, freeroams aren't supposed to be "hunted". They're meant as a bonus, a few scenes you stumble upon as you're walking through the city, to make it feel more alive. If you found it tedious, I'm not sure why you looked for them in the first place?

 

[Mitsuna]

The only instance you pointed at is shower Cyanna. I'm not sure what happened in there that didn't happen in the story?

Yea sorry I don't remember since it's been forever, maybe it was even fixed by now.

What you're describing isn't lack of content, it's content you don't like. That's different.

Maybe so, it's just my honest opinion from what I've seen so far, I do check all the new content from time to time and really hope it will get better at some point, but from what I see it's getting worse (still there is hope).

Also, freeroams aren't supposed to be "hunted". They're meant as a bonus, a few scenes you stumble upon as you're walking through the city, to make it feel more alive. If you found it tedious, I'm not sure why you looked for them in the first place?

Missable content is the worst thing possible, I had to check nearly every npc and look for the smallest content changes to help me with immersion (ntrpg was wonderful yes).

 

[LordFrz]

Agree 100% with Ntaii here. You dont need a sexual relationship to be good NTR. Plenty of Mom NTR where the son never wants to fuck the mom. Its about losing the person you care for, such as a kind loving mom turning into a nasty cum dump for an ugly bastard. You can have a dad lose his daughter to a shitty playboy for NTR, but also have the daughter happily married and it not be NTR. It's about what went down, and the feeling of losing the loved one.

Here's an example, at no point does the dad want to fuck the daughter, but I still consider it solid netorare.

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[quandin]

Also, freeroams aren't supposed to be "hunted". They're meant as a bonus, a few scenes you stumble upon as you're walking through the city, to make it feel more alive.

I hunt them tho


and can we please get extra saves I have close to none left

 

[jones]

The only thing that can save the Cyanna storyline for me is a new character taking her from Ulrod.

 

[DicksInSpace]

I hunt them tho


and can we please get extra saves I have close to none left

Roaming events are some of my faves too