RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3: The Peacekeepers [P2 Update 22] [N_taii]

[BBC God]

Ok another question. I know it is kinda for another thread but I haven't found a satisfying answer yet as everyone says how he understands it.
So what's the diference between NTR and cheating?

NTR is Netorare, Netorase or Netori.

Netorare is Main Character getting cheated on.

Netorase is Main Character getting cheated on but he likes it.

Netori is Main Character having sex with other peoples love interest.

Cheating is Main Character having sex with other people WHILE in a relationship already.

 

[Sieglinnde]

NTR is Netorare, Netorase or Netori.

Netorare is Main Character getting cheated on.

Netorase is Main Character getting cheated on but he likes it.

Netori is Main Character having sex with other peoples love interest.

Cheating is Main Character having sex with other people WHILE in a relationship already.

who is the creator of the images on your signatures

 

[BBC God]

who is the creator of the images on your signatures

John Persons/The Pit

 

[MachoGuy]

I dont consider Female MC's, Netorare games. The point of NTR games is to experience loss, I dont think a female is the correct way to showcase this. From a male point of view you can see his loved ones taken away or fallen but as a female you play as the one being corrupted and defiled. I consider those games [Cheating] and [Corruption].

I dont think men gamers can get the same feeling NTR elicits if they are playing as a woman.

That's the way you look at it, the way I look at Male MC's Netorare is like an uncompleted experience.

You have the cucked point of view and that's all. Your partner it taken away after some events and that's it, You don't know why she cracked or at what point she struggled the most or what went through her head. you simply have to do with the end result of her just randomly becoming a stupid cock whore.
In some rare cases the game try to show those things but they never deliver enough information.


While with Female MC you get a lot more details about what's happening hell, most of time even more details about the cuck and most important you have more input into the story (if the game is good)


I guess it all just a matter of preference, what gets you off quicker:

You prefer to get cucked? = Male MC
You prefer to be the cause of cuckolding (Without playing the bull) and see things properly unfolding? = Female MC.


I'm lucky enough to enjoy both styles of playing, with Female MC being of course the superior style.

 

[inye59]

NTR is Netorare, Netorase or Netori.

Netorare is Main Character getting cheated on.

Netorase is Main Character getting cheated on but he likes it.

Netori is Main Character having sex with other peoples love interest.

Cheating is Main Character having sex with other people WHILE in a relationship already.

Is n't Rose in relationship with Leto already? And in other games/ hentais there are couples with relationship married, highschool couples etc.
The most complete answer that I could find was
"寝取られ [ne.to.ra.re] noun derived from the verb 寝取る [ne.to.ru] which is a compound verb of 寝る [ne.ru] "to sleep" and 取る [to.ru] "to take".
So "sleep-taking".
From the etymology it seems to mean "taking while the husband is asleep/unaware".
I guess the western culture has alter/shape the meaning of the word when has focus more emotional and betrayal. But thats just my opinion

 

[BBC God]

That's the way you look at it, the way I look at Male MC's Netorare is like an uncompleted experience.

You have the cucked point of view and that's all. Your partner it taken away after some events and that's it, You don't know why she cracked or at what point she struggled the most or what went through her head. you simply have to do with the end result of her just randomly becoming a stupid cock whore.
In some rare cases the game try to show those things but they never deliver enough information.


While with Female MC you get a lot more details about what's happening hell, most of time even more details about the cuck and most important you have more input into the story (if the game is good)


I guess it all just a matter of preference, what gets you off quicker:

You prefer to get cucked? = Male MC
You prefer to be the cause of cuckolding (Without playing the bull) and see things properly unfolding? = Female MC.


I'm lucky enough to enjoy both styles of playing, with Female MC being of course the superior style.

If you like inserting yourself in to the role of a slutty girl, who am I to judge.

Is n't Rose in relationship with Leto already? And in other games/ hentais there are couples with relationship married, highschool couples etc.
The most complete answer that I could find was
"寝取られ [ne.to.ra.re] noun derived from the verb 寝取る [ne.to.ru] which is a compound verb of 寝る [ne.ru] "to sleep" and 取る [to.ru] "to take".
So "sleep-taking".
From the etymology it seems to mean "taking while the husband is asleep/unaware".
I guess the western culture has alter/shape the meaning of the word when has focus more emotional and betrayal. But thats just my opinion

It doesnt have to be marriage or dating. The determining factor is love which is why Brother/Sister NTR, Mom/Son, Dad/Daughter, Childhood friends, etc exist.

It isnt just western culture, this is how all NTR is portrayed.

 

[Matoga]

we are gonna have to have another conversation about what counts as NTR arent we?
I havent played HC1 but HC2 definetly counts as NTR

So what's the diference between NTR and cheating?

Every time someone writes down their idea of what NTR is i see something different. I am convinced that i have never seen the same definition being used twice on what NTR is, at this point i'd say NTR is just as subjective as music taste.

For example for Oriandu, based off of my understanding on what he wrote, something can only be considered NTR when you're in a relationship with someone and that someone is having an affair, therefore he's obviously not gonna see the first two HC games as NTR because the MC was not in a relationship with anybody in either those games.
As for me, i think Family members being seduced IS NTR, i especially like sister NTR so obviously for me the first 2 games are NTR as well. (real sister NTR >>> step-sister NTR).

What i mean by that is that neither of us are necessarily in the wrong, it's just that you're not gonna get 1 definitive answer by asking "what's NTR" on this site because everybody's got their own idea of what NTR is in their heads.

This is a pretty surface level description but that's basically how I would describe it as well so...here you go.

 

[inye59]

That's the way you look at it, the way I look at Male MC's Netorare is like an uncompleted experience.

You have the cucked point of view and that's all. Your partner it taken away after some events and that's it, You don't know why she cracked or at what point she struggled the most or what went through her head. you simply have to do with the end result of her just randomly becoming a stupid cock whore.
In some rare cases the game try to show those things but they never deliver enough information.


While with Female MC you get a lot more details about what's happening hell, most of time even more details about the cuck and most important you have more input into the story (if the game is good)


I guess it all just a matter of preference, what gets you off quicker:

You prefer to get cucked? = Male MC
You prefer to be the cause of cuckolding (Without playing the bull) and see things properly unfolding? = Female MC.


I'm lucky enough to enjoy both styles of playing, with Female MC being of course the superior style.

I kinda agree with you. I enjoy both styles. I have seen many disagree if a FMC can be a protagonist in a NTR game. I believe it can as long as show the deavastation of the Significant Other and all/or some of succumb to lust, remorse and a good betrayal scene

 

[inye59]

Every time someone writes down their idea of what NTR is i see something different. I am convinced that i have never seen the same definition being used twice on what NTR is, at this point i'd say NTR is just as subjective as music taste.

For example for Oriandu, based off of my understanding on what he wrote, something can only be considered NTR when you're in a relationship with someone and that someone is having an affair, therefore he's obviously not gonna see the first two HC games as NTR because the MC was not in a relationship with anybody in either those games.
As for me, i think Family members being seduced IS NTR, i especially like sister NTR so obviously for me the first 2 games are NTR as well. (real sister NTR >>> step-sister NTR).

What i mean by that is that neither of us are necessarily in the wrong, it's just that you're not gonna get 1 definitive answer by asking "what's NTR" on this site because everybody's got their own idea of what NTR is in their heads.

This is a pretty surface level description but that's basically how I would describe it as well so...here you go.
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So is cheating andor cuckolrdry until to the point of seduction.

 

[Oriandu]

Ok another question. I know it is kinda for another thread but I haven't found a satisfying answer yet as everyone says how he understands it.
So what's the diference between NTR and cheating?

I've always boiled it down to two extremely basic descriptions. When someone cheats they're not necessarily being taken away from the person they're cheating on. They can go back. When it transitions from cheating to NTR is when they can't truly go back to their original partner. When their focus shifts away from the original partner and towards their new partner, be it romantically or just sexually, that change in priorities is what makes something NTR as opposed to just cheating. Using HC3 as the case example, Rose is currently cheating on Leto somewhat against her will. In the not so distant future something will happen to cause her to prioritize going dick riding on the duke over Leto and that's when the transition begins to occur.

I am also fairly strict on what I consider to be NTR in that I don't view pure sibling or parental relationships to be NTR and I largely consider those to be simple corruption with extra emotional damage. That's just me, though.

 

[_Grotest_]

I saw some of doujinshi artists taking NTR to the point where MC just has a crush on some girl that he had like only a few conversations with which is in my opinion a stretch. As far as I think NTR can only work when there's a big emotional connection between characters, like them both being in love but not necessarily in relationship or some onesided crush between best/childhood friends. I wouldn't call family an NTR though. Its a different type of drama Imo.

 

[Federok88]

As for me, i think Family members being seduced IS NTR, i especially like sister NTR so obviously for me the first 2 games are NTR as well. (real sister NTR >>> step-sister NTR).

Not only you and me would agree with that but doujinshi artists and jav producers.

How many times with have to see NTR plastered besides a mom gettiing fucked by her son's bully before we get the message?

there is Oyako no Omoi and its animated version in Hajimete no Hitozuma 6, where a bully tricks his victim's mother.
Meanwhile the Jav label Madonna has a series that is about a mother getting fucked by a bully/ friend, JUL825 being an example wich shows in the cover a big golden NTR.

The idea NTR requires cheating to be involved or i doesnt count is absurd. No because i say so but because it doesnt just mean that couple of random western fans are wrong but that several doujinshi artis, erogue developers, official hentai sites, hentai and porn producers are all wrong.....and that to me sounds absurd.

 

[Oriandu]

Not only you and me would agree with that but doujinshi artists and jav producers.

How many times with have to see NTR plastered besides a mom gettiing fucked by her son's bully before we get the message?

there is Oyako no Omoi and its animated version in Hajimete no Hitozuma 6, where a bully tricks his victim's mother.
Meanwhile the Jav label Madonna has a series that is about a mother getting fucked by a bully/ friend, JUL825 being an example wich shows in the cover a big golden NTR.

The idea NTR requires cheating to be involved or i doesnt count is absurd. No because i say so but because it doesnt just mean that couple of random western fans are wrong but that several doujinshi artis, erogue developers, official hentai sites, hentai and porn producers are all wrong.....and that to me sounds absurd.

A billion people could tell me that the sky is pink but that doesn't mean that the sky is actually pink. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way, shape, or form claiming that my personal view is the actual truth, I'm simply saying both the washed and unwashed masses are guilty of twisting things until they only barely resemble the original concept.

Anywho, looks like the next update is going to be pretty packed with content for Haylen. Hopefully it's more exciting than the Lily update, but coming on the heels of update 11 I don't expect to be particularly entertained by it.

 

[LordFrz]

NTR at its core needs to invoke a feeling of loss in the person consuming the story. Cheating can do that, but not always. Because it's a feeling that someone has based on the situation, what is good NTR will be very subjective.

To go a bit further I know a lot of people don't consider it NTR with non sex partners. However I do in most cases so long as the relationship is established, and the NTR is set up properly. You can have a sister get a boyfriend and it not be NTR, since you might not invoke that feeling of loss. But then the guy who the sister starts dating could be someone who would invoke NTR, for instance, the bully that beats up the main character. You would need to show that the sister the main character knew is being lost to become the slut of the bully.

It all comes back to creating that feeling that the MC is losing somthing. This applied to netorase and netori aswell. Netorase is sharing, but different from cuckold because at its core the MC will lose his girl. WHile netori is more the opposite as you are invoking that feeling of loss into others. So you get the feeling of bing the superior one.

Then you have the newest edition of BSS, where it's purely one sided from the MC point of view. The Incell who has a crush and never confesses, then the girl gets a BF and the MC whines he's been ntrd.

 

[MachoGuy]

If you like inserting yourself in to the role of a slutty girl, who am I to judge.

I actually love to do that, not the main thing but that's the beauty of fmc you can chose to insert yourself in the girl, the cuck or the bull (Or the dog, that's some wild stuff in here)

But with NTR Male MC you can only insert yourself in the loser cuck role (No judgement, whatever floats your boat) basically you are cucked to one pov of the story while the fun is happening somewhere else.

 

[BBC God]

I actually love to do that, not the main thing but that's the beauty of fmc you can chose to insert yourself in the girl, the cuck or the bull (Or the dog, that's some wild stuff in here)

But with NTR Male MC you can only insert yourself in the loser cuck role (No judgement, whatever floats your boat) basically you are cucked to one pov of the story while the fun is happening somewhere else.

I think the average guy playing NTR games isnt imagining themselves as a woman or as a dog, most play to experience it from a male POV which is why most NTR games are designed that way or with that thinking in mind.

 

[Roninsan]

lol. This Oriandu guy is wrong again, but keep debating like a knight... Why am I not surprised.
First, he starts an unnecessary argument with me and literally says Duke "could not be more evil" after I said something about Duke's behavior not being as hideous as most NTR games' villains.
At that time, I already realized he probably played very few NTR games. And now he proves he doesn't even know what NTR is...

 

[inye59]

I think the average guy playing NTR games isnt imagining themselves as a woman or as a dog, most play to experience it from a male POV which is why most NTR games are designed that way or with that thinking in mind.

I don't. I am for the scenario...and yes the main story is similar but the representation is always different. There are many artists that they are focused on that and they work is excellent. But the doujinshi I enjoyed the most was from an artist called tetupong. That was so well directed that whenever You've stopped reading could be the ending of the story. And that's why I like n_taii's work and other games with a similar style. Ntrpg 1, 2. You make the character's dialogues.

 

[Federok88]

lol. This Oriandu guy is wrong again, but keep debating like a knight... Why am I not surprised.
First, he starts an unnecessary argument with me and literally says Duke "could not be more evil" after I said something about Duke's behavior not being as hideous as most NTR games' villains.
At that time, I already realized he probably played very few NTR games. And now he proves he doesn't even know what NTR is...

i gave up when we started talking about the sky being pink...

 

[MachoGuy]

I think the average guy playing NTR games isnt imagining themselves as a woman or as a dog

Why not? I mean it just you in your head with the things you find hot at the moment, you can be disgusted with it later.
I think your problem, that fixation on Male MC for cuckolding games is the one Female MC's fans have with ugly bastards, y'all put yourself too much in the game and just forget that's not actually you on the screen. It's a bad way of thinking because you lock yourself out of so many games.

While you are here fighting tooth and nails for your cuckolding pov because that's the only thing you enjoy, I'm totally relax because I enjoy that pov too, I enjoy the Female Pov and its many advantages a lot more, I enjoy also Netori games (Not a lot of good ones out there, Taffy tales is by far the best), I also enjoy playing the dog/goblin or anything else (Shout out to Dog Fuck IDOL only real ones know)

I'm able to enjoy all of those because I don't take them too seriously. And from that point I say the Female MC Netorare games are better, not because they are Female MC but because they provide a better story and experience in general, That's why I want the next game from N_taii to have a Female protag. Basically we will trade the pure blood aryan NTR game number 4 for a different perspective that allows NTR for you, quality for me and something else for someone else.
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most play to experience it from a male POV which is why most NTR games are designed that way or with that thinking in mind.

You are right on the money with "Most NTR games are designed that way" That's what makes them overused and get that feeling of predictability, It's a lot harder to come with something entreating when everyone does it.

You want me to give you an extreme example? A page before I gave example of pixelated NTR games with male protagonists, I will give you 1 screenshot from those games and their description from f95:

NTRPG:

"The girl you love is embraced by another guy, and all you can do is watch.

The protagonist does not speak, similar to DQ games. No battles.
Time passes in the game Monday thru Sunday, with day, noon, dusk and night progressions.
At certain times, certain conversations at certain places will yield special events."


Henteria Chronicles, Chapter 1:
Henteria Chronicles, Chapter 1: The Lady and the butler - Casio and his older sister, Nestia, lost their parents during the Fourth Holy War that opposed the Monster Army and the Allied Races lead by the Humans. However, they are taken in by Lady Eleonora, a noble and former Valkyrie, to work in her manor as butler and maid. They spend ten wonderful years there. However, a shadow is lurking over their future...
(Please read Developer Notes below for more info)



Nettle Pain:
Play as Fergus, a young man striving to become a hero and heir of the town’s dojo.
Life seems good for Fergus, as the dojo’s current master is the father of his childhood friend Makia – who seems to share his feelings, being very affectionate and supportive of our MC.

However, that's soon changed by the arrivial of Pilgas – former childhood friend of Fergus and Makia, and was the dojo’s best pupil up until his disappearance in an undisclosed incident.
Now that he's returned, he demands the dojo for himself, a claim that only Fergus can deny by beating Pilgas in a personal duel. As such, it is up to the MC to save the dojo, and keep his girl.



Spiral Legend V:
This one dosen't have an overview but basically Ridley is your childhood friend, you were training with her father to become a knight but something occurs and you 2 run away, she has feelings for you but you are dummy so she gets stolen away by the black guy watching them in the pic below.

There is also another girl with her own route banal NTR route but this game dosen't have mutch H content.





There are more games and they are all almost the same (I'm not referring to the models or assets because that's the program's limitations) the setting even the story at some point becomes the same, and they all play the exact same linear way, with same clueless MC.

I gave you this example because pixelated NTR games are rare, if they as rare games are so similar could you imagine the normal NTR games? I mean you don't need to imagine, you played a few and you know the answer. You too most likely just wait for them to reveal what was happening because you already know, it not like something different will even happened.

I still remember the first "NTR" game I've played, I didn't even know what was called back then...
I will never forget and I will never forgive Chuck, Donlad Trump Looking ahh fucked mom :'(