RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3: The Peacekeepers [P2 Update 22] [N_taii]

[Miss Y]

That was honestly my biggest concern from the very start of this chapter, as soon as it was revealed that Haylen and Lily were relegated to optional sidequests. I've played enough mainstream RPGs to know that it would create a hard limit for how they can actually be used in the main story, leaving them trapped in their own little bubbles and only showing up intermittently, where they act perfectly normal because the game doesn't want to assume that they've been corrupted. It's a little disappointing to think about how that might impact the narrative endgame, that you'll have freeroam events happening around the map tied to your sidequest progression... but whenever Haylen shows up for scenes on Cyanna's side of the main story, there won't be any tension there because it's like she just time-traveled there from the first couple hours of the game.

I would very much be in favor of the game just having a very clear point of no return where all of the sidequest stuff just resolves off-screen. You hit a point in the main quest where it warns you: "hey, this is the point of no return! If you want to see the sidequests, you should go do them now; otherwise they will have progressed without you there." A bit clunky, but at least that would free them up to use in more situations and have them be more involved in the final stages of the game.

Or the amusing option, that ignoring the sidequests just leads to a reveal that they were corrupted in a completely different way; that Jazon failed to work his way in with Haylen if the player doesn't interact with his quests, but then Haylen winds up being taken by someone else because Leto was "ignoring her." That would actually be a pretty cute way to justify the alternate "gangbang" NTR ending, but I don't really know if that could be satisfying when we're this far into the game and the "ignore sidequests" path doesn't have room for any kind of hinting or build-up. It would be surprising, but not sure if it could ever be satisfying, like the NTR equivalent of a cheap jump scare.

Though I also wonder, because they are explicitly part of the cult's plan — that the Duke gave Jazon and Nezar lesser amulets just like he gave to Ulrod to use with Cyanna — how the story will work around that if the player didn't do the sidequests. Will it just pretend that only one other amulet (Ulrod's) was ever needed? Or just handwave it that the other two were charged by other members of the cult after Jazon and Nezar failed to get the job done?

 

[NTRprofessionalconsumer]

I would LOVE if the developer just auto-resolves Lily and Haylen at a certain point- Preferably soon. It takes away from the entire point of having side quests, but I think the dev should throw in the towel and just admit that it wasn't the best idea. There is SO much content being missed out from having Haylen and Lily's corruption not take part in the main story, and as we're approaching the final act in terms of climax and lewd activities, now is the best possible time.

With Leto out of the city, it's the perfect time to hit the 'fast forward' button on the other two girls and get them all in the same position. I need the girls slowly learning what they're all up to, Haylen bonding with her adopted daughters over sex as they give each other tips and tricks on how to please their man better. And more importantly, nothing is more netorare than Leto leaving to find the truth about Rose's parents, only to come home to all four girls experiencing a drastic and sudden transformation.

Preferably with a costume change, too.

The point is, I think we're rapidly approaching that same point in HC2 where the main character realised he no longer 'fit in' with his family. Leto is going to soon start feeling left out... But it doesn't really work if you can't focus on Lily and Haylen abandoning him, because of the side quest limitation. I would love if he held a poll on his Patreon about this, as I am quite interested to see how many people actually care about the separation of side quests and main quest. It feels like the vast majority play it all, especially when it's all such high quality.

 

[Komdot]

Fr Lily shouldn't even be a character in the “main cast” Haylen is just there to fill the “”“”“”“”“MILF”“”“”“”“”' spot, so I think it's a good idea to demote them.

 

[Oriandu]

Fair point good sir. Then I'm making use of my right of freedom of expression and call you an asshole.

Nice.

Yar, I think the next update might have a flashback to Rose's parents if the POL image is anything to go by. (No I will not post it.)

As for the idea that the conversation about the cast... I'm inclined to agree. If the characters are important enough to appear on the opening splash image for the game then they're important enough to be in the main cast. In HC4 there should certainly be varied levels of importance within the cast but if we're going to go with four women again they should all be involved in the main plot and their corruption should be part and parcel with it.

In the past I brought up the idea that if Rose is the principal female lead and Cyanna is the secondary female lead then Lily should have been involved in Rose's overall storyline and Cyanna would have Haylen as her back up. It makes sense based on their personal relationships with each other since Haylen would be more involved with Cyanna's life as her adoptive mother and Lily is Rose's coworker at the tavern when the princess decides to mingle with the commoners. Update 14 revealed that Lily's boss is at least tangentially associated with the duke's conspiracy and we know Jazon's uncle is a member of it so that could be his way into things, but we know that they can't be too important since the women they're banging are optional side pieces. On top of that the knowledge that Haylen and Lily do not ultimately matter to the ongoing plot make their content feel like a waste of an update. Integrating them into the storylines of Rose and Cyanna would allow their corruption to happen in tandem even if it slowed down the overall corruption as a result.

Hopefully whatever comes next is a more cohesive story. I don't doubt it could happen since each HC has been an exponential improvement over the previous game. Even if HC4 isn't as big a leap as HC2 and 3 were over their predecessors I still have faith in N_Taii's ability to learn from his projects.

 

[tillerman]

Not even indie HRPGs are safe from the kilmonger cut anymore

 

[Matoga]

The concept of side characters, more precisely side characters in future games, was brought up not that long ago actually, i'm pretty sure it was during that civil war about a month ago where the same 4-5 people were spitting out 500+ word long posts for like 8 pages in a row, around there i kinda remember seeing N_Taii mentioning that he's been thinking about leaving side characters out of HC4 altogether and just going with main characters only, something that i totally support, and even though i kinda like the IDEA of side characters, cause they give this like false sense of choice or...freedom, i guess, like it makes the game feel like it's more like an RPG than it actually is by having optional content, i'll be the first to admit that they're absolutely unnecessary, especially for people who play the game Update by Update, for me they're like Main Stories with extra steps, steps that i could definitely live without.
So even though i kinda doubt that the stuff that y'all were talking about are actually gonna happen in HC3, there's still the possibility that HC4 is gonna improve on this part of the series.

 

[Matoga]

Fr Lily shouldn't even be a character in the “main cast” Haylen is just there to fill the “”“”“”“”“MILF”“”“”“”“”' spot, so I think it's a good idea to demote them.

I don't really wanna burst your bubble but we were actually talking about promoting them not demoting them lmao

 

[Komdot]

Not even indie HRPGs are safe from the kilmonger cut anymore

Underrated joke

The concept of side characters, more precisely side characters in future games, was brought up not that long ago actually, i'm pretty sure it was during that civil war about a month ago where the same 4-5 people were spitting out 500+ word long posts for like 8 pages in a row, around there i kinda remember seeing N_Taii mentioning that he's been thinking about leaving side characters out of HC4 altogether and just going with main characters only, something that i totally support, and even though i kinda like the IDEA of side characters, cause they give this like false sense of choice or...freedom, i guess, like it makes the game feel like it's more like an RPG than it actually is by having optional content, i'll be the first to admit that they're absolutely unnecessary, especially for people who play the game Update by Update, for me they're like Main Stories with extra steps, steps that i could definitely live without.
So even though i kinda doubt that the stuff that y'all were talking about are actually gonna happen in HC3, there's still the possibility that HC4 is gonna improve on this part of the series.

I think everyone has this bit of hypocrisy of thinking it's bad when it's in development, but it's just because they want the main story right away without anything getting in the way. but in the final product, it makes a huge difference. I hope side characters continue the way they are, it works well.

I don't really wanna burst your bubble but we were actually talking about promoting them not demoting them lmao

Forget it then, but I hope that happens, Lily is unbearable.

 

[Oriandu]

I'm not a fan of Lily's content myself, but that's largely due to how all over the map it is. She's the most inconsistently portrayed character in the game. First her content looked like it was going to be BDSM focused, then when people complained N_Taii adjusted and made her a more involved and willing participant in her own corruption, then she starts playing a hentai game in a hentai game before winding up as the same vaguely unwilling participant as the rest of the main women. Rose, Cyanna, and Haylen are all depicted with a certain level of consistency that Lily has not benefited from so I find her very hard to remain interested in.

 

[Tsun5050]

does this game have no cgi seggs stuff??????????

 

[Zik099]

Finally after a lot of waiting (and other things) I was able to play update 15, I really liked the development that was done with Haylen and Leto, I feel it was what was missing to make her NTR feel a little more real.

Spoiler: Update 15 scene

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[Oriandu]

Finally after a lot of waiting (and other things) I was able to play update 15, I really liked the development that was done with Haylen and Leto, I feel it was what was missing to make her NTR feel a little more real.

Spoiler: Update 15 scene

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Hard to say.

Spoiler: HC1 and 2 Spoilers

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N_Taii did specifically indicate that one point that he made Haylen a stepmother instead of a blood relative specifically so there could be sexual activity between Leto and Haylen without having to worry about patreon kicking up a stink. How that will play out in the endgames is hard to predict since we don't really have an indication as to how those endings might go as of yet, and if HC1 and 2 are any example the build to them will probably be the overall weakest part of the game.

 

[Zik099]

Hard to say.

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N_Taii did specifically indicate that one point that he made Haylen a stepmother instead of a blood relative specifically so there could be sexual activity between Leto and Haylen without having to worry about patreon kicking up a stink. How that will play out in the endgames is hard to predict since we don't really have an indication as to how those endings might go as of yet, and if HC1 and 2 are any example the build to them will probably be the overall weakest part of the game.

You're right, I didn't remember that detail in the previous games, I hope this time it will be different because I'm sure there are several of us who would like a harem ending for Leto in the good ending or revenge.

Honestly I didn't remember how annoying patreon can be with that kind of topics (like incest and other genres), I imagine that those rules in more than one occasion will have limited N_taii's ideas, but well, I guess we have to wait and see how the game progresses.

The only thing I can say with certainty is that this update made me a little more interested in Haylen, funny because the same thing happened to me with Lily hahaha.

 

[Oriandu]

While I don't believe a harem in the good ending would necessarily be opposed en masse, I would probably be one of like two people at the most to argue against it, I wouldn't expect it to happen were I you. Leto has not exactly been established as particularly motivated, interested, or desiring sex so far. Due to his status as a mute character we can only really make assumptions but to me it seems like he's depicted as viewing sex as more of an intimate act between two people in love. The traumas of the ending scenarios would have to result in a major shake up to his personality for him to be accepting of a harem, especially to go from inexperienced virgin to dominant chad with a harem. N_Taii is pretty consistent with every character but Lily, so I wouldn't expect a harem outside of a revenge focused ending.

I could very easily be wrong, though.

 

[Matoga]

How that will play out in the endgames is hard to predict since we don't really have an indication as to how those endings might go as of yet, and if HC1 and 2 are any example the build to them will probably be the overall weakest part of the game.

What I didn't expect at all was that little fantasy of her with Leto, does that mean that in the good ending Leto will have a harem with all of them including Haylen, and we will also have more fantasies of that kind between Haylen and Leto?

Revenge ending...it's the revenge ending, there IS going to be a Harem in one of the endings that's 100% for sure, and since this time around we're not gonna get a "True ending" like we did with the previous games and the Happy ending is going to be a, well...Happy(ish) ending, at least compared to the other ones, that only leaves (just like in HC2) the Revenge ending, something that i'm GREATLY against for multiple reasons but at this point i'm over it, i'm almost certainly going to like both of the NTR endings and probably the Happy ending as well, although that depends on how well N_Taii executes it, so i can't really complain if i'm "only" going to enjoy 3 out of the 4 endings.

But still, i cannot tell you how much i DON'T want to see Leto have sex with Haylen...or even with Lily as a matter of fact, no matter what N_Taii cooks up for Haylen in the revenge ending it's going to be NOWHERE near as good as Aywin's ending where she becomes the like a personal whore for the King's (Noah's) personal guards, THAT'S revenge, fucking the woman who's in love with you is NOT. Haylen is a massive improvement in almost every conceivable way compared to Aywin but if i had to choose i'd still choose Aywin simply because she was Noah biological mother and hers was the only satisfying conclusion in the revenge ending of HC2, and not only that, but while it obviously makes sense for Haylen to agree without a second though to having sex with Leto, it goes completely against Leto's personality for him to fuck Haylen out of his own volition.

I hope to god that whatever happens in HC4, if there's going to be a mother figure in it, that it's going to be a biological mother, not only because that way N_Taii CAN'T make the MC fuck her in the revenge ending because of Patreon's rules, but because a real mother NTR is objectively better than a step-mother NTR, and as a matter of fact i would also prefer if the MC's sister was a real sister as well like in HC1, but i don't see N_Taii making a game where 2 of the main heroines are related to the MC so THAT, i can live without, but for the love of god stop with the stepmothers...

 

[Oriandu]

My desires for the endings are for the women are either sadistic or distinterested. N_Taii has done a great job with Rose's fall from grace so far and I honestly don't see a path back from it. She's turned shrewd pretty quickly, using sex to her advantage and is clearly shifting towards a fairly intimate relationship with the duke if their recent bathtub shenanigans are any example. Her resistance is token at this point. I don't want Rose, specifically, to have anything resembling a happy ending. Ironically I want Rose to have a harem in the good ending because I want Leto to move on from her. Rose doesn't deserve a good or happy ending unless her depiction flips completely because she's well past the point of prioritizing her own pleasure, what she deserves is to lose everyone she loves in exchange for cock.

For Lily, well, I don't know what I want from her because her content is so inconsistent and detached from the rest of the game, same with Cyanna because I have so little interest in her content because she's yet to have a sex scene where it doesn't feel like she's an abuse victim. With Haylen, though, I don't have much of an opinion on where she should end up because she's not an interesting character to me. Everything about Haylen's storyline has been eye rolling for me, she's a nun in her early 40s who is somehow susceptible to the advances of the local dumb ass horn dog? That doesn't really make sense to me. Her motivations up to the most recent update were completely ridiciulous. I also don't really want to see her have sex with Leto because in any of the endings because I feel like he wouldn't be interested in his mother in any of the endings and if there's a revenge ending I don't think she'd be worthy of Leto's attentions since she settled for Jazon of all people.

If there's going to be a mature character in HC4 I'd rather they go with the "best friend's mom" trope.

 

[Matoga]

Ironically I want Rose to have a harem in the good ending because I want Leto to move on from her. Rose doesn't deserve a good or happy ending unless her depiction flips completely because she's well past the point of prioritizing her own pleasure, what she deserves is to lose everyone she loves in exchange for cock.

Same, i'm pretty sure it's an unpopular opinion around these parts but i'd MUCH rather see Leto end up with Cyanna than with Rose, even if the chances of Rose getting a male harem in the Happy ending is practically 0%, i still think that in the end, Rose should realise that she's the Queen of an entire Kingdom and that it was never going to work with Leto to begin with.

For Lily, well, I don't know what I want from her because her content is so inconsistent and detached from the rest of the game

This however, i was originally going to respond to your previous post where you said the same thing about Lily but then i got carried away by this Revenge Ending bullshit.
I agree that Lily's questline is VERY inconsistent, but i don't mind a story being inconsistent as long as the content itself is good, and i also gotta say, i really like how unpredictable it is compared to the other girls, her going from being the maid at Nezar's shop to then becoming the sole inheritor of the entire place was executed very well in my opinion.

My issue however, which i can only blame myself for cause i have been moaning for 2 years on this thread that i don't want BDSM content and in the end i got what i asked for, is that all 4 of the main heroines are jumping through the EXACT same hoops, sure the scenes are different i'll give you that, but the progression of their corruption is WAAAAAY too similar, now don't get me wrong i'd much rather have this over BDSM, but i still think that there are plenty of ways each of the 4 storylines can be improved so that they're a little more unique, and a certain freeroam event actually gave me an idea for Lily's corruption that i would very much like to see happen.

I know that most people prefer the corruption to be 1on1 and i don't wanna take that away from anyone, but i think that making Tavros a MUCH more active participant in Lily's corruption would make her storyline so much more unique, after all hers would then be the only corruption where there are more than 1 bad guys involved. Basically what i had in mind is that there is this freeroam event where Tavros starts groping Rose in the storage room and Lily smacks the shit out of Tavros when she finds them, i think that Lily making a deal with Tavros that she's gonna satisfy his "needs" (THE EXACT SAME DEAL THAT SHE MADE WITH NEZAR) and in excange Tavros leaves Rose alone would be SOOO GOOD, like a potential scenario where Lily knows that she can't tell Tavros who Rose really is to make him stop and that since she's working at Nezar's place most of the time she's not gonna be able to save Rose every time either, so instead she tries to convince Rose that she should stop working at the Tavern, but before she can say what she wants Rose cuts her off by saying how much she enjoys working here, which then obviously makes Lily change her mind, THEN she remembers her deal that she has with Nezar and the she had already given a blowjob to Tavros, so she decides to make a similar deal with Tavros instead.

 

[quandin]

My issue however, which i can only blame myself for cause i have been moaning for 2 years on this thread that i don't want BDSM content and in the end i got what i asked for, is that all 4 of the main heroines are jumping through the EXACT same hoops, sure the scenes are different i'll give you that, but the progression of their corruption is WAAAAAY too similar, now don't get me wrong i'd much rather have this over BDSM, but i still think that there are plenty of ways each of the 4 storylines can be improved so that they're a little more unique, and a certain freeroam event actually gave me an idea for Lily's corruption that i would very much like to see happen.

While the corruption route may not be perfect, the fact that we didn't get bdsm with dildos, chains and whatnot is enough for me

 

[Matoga]

While the corruption route may not be perfect, the fact that we didn't get bdsm with dildos, chains and whatnot is enough for me

Preach brother...
It's enough for me as well, but what i'm saying is that it could always be better.

 

[Miss Y]

But still, i cannot tell you how much i DON'T want to see Leto have sex with Haylen...or even with Lily as a matter of fact, no matter what N_Taii cooks up for Haylen in the revenge ending it's going to be NOWHERE near as good as Aywin's ending where she becomes the like a personal whore for the King's (Noah's) personal guards, THAT'S revenge, fucking the woman who's in love with you is NOT. Haylen is a massive improvement in almost every conceivable way compared to Aywin but if i had to choose i'd still choose Aywin simply because she was Noah biological mother and hers was the only satisfying conclusion in the revenge ending of HC2, and not only that, but while it obviously makes sense for Haylen to agree without a second though to having sex with Leto, it goes completely against Leto's personality for him to fuck Haylen out of his own volition.

While I'm not vehemently against the very thought of Leto ever having sex with Haylen in one of the endings, or in certain situations like the dream sequence we got in Update 15, I would be absolutely heartbroken if that wound up being her part of the Revenge ending instead of something closer to what happened with Aywin, because I feel like there is an important distinction between power fantasy and revenge, with the "Leto becomes evil and dominates all of the women into his personal harem" falling pretty firmly into the former. They're similar enough if you squint, but don't push quite the same buttons of appeal.

But on that last paragraph in particular,

I hope to god that whatever happens in HC4, if there's going to be a mother figure in it, that it's going to be a biological mother, not only because that way N_Taii CAN'T make the MC fuck her in the revenge ending because of Patreon's rules, but because a real mother NTR is objectively better than a step-mother NTR, and as a matter of fact i would also prefer if the MC's sister was a real sister as well like in HC1, but i don't see N_Taii making a game where 2 of the main heroines are related to the MC so THAT, i can live without, but for the love of god stop with the stepmothers...

I could not agree more with this even if I was being paid a small fortune to. I feel like I must have said it at some point when Chapter 3's concept first came out, but between the two possibilities:
A.) having it be the character's actual mother like Aywin, without being able to have any sexual interactions with the protagonist, or
B.) having a motherly figure like Haylen with that door being open because they aren't actually blood-related,

The cost is simply too high for B to make the trade-off worth it in my eyes, especially when Chapter 3 hasn't played around with it at all until very recently. If that sexual tension was a major running theme throughout their relationship, I would at least be a little conflicted... but I don't know if one single sex dream from Haylen's POV out of 6-7 hours of content and a hypothetical harem ending where she has sex with Leto is enough to justify losing so much of the spice that made Aywin's corruption hit so unbelievably hard in Chapter 2.


I guess my overall point is that it feels like we haven't really gained anything tangible from Haylen being "downgraded" to an adoptive mother. It's baked into her character and the prologue at such a fundamental level that you could never change it without a pretty significant rewrite, but then Leto is still being written almost exactly the same as Noah was with Aywin (in terms of Patreon's content restrictions). That if we imagine some alternate reality where Haylen was written to be Leto's actual mother from the very beginning... how much content currently in the game would we actually have to lose? The one sex dream, maybe a few lines of dialogue from Haylen that hint at something, and if we're being extremely cautious, the scene where Leto accidentally walks in on her when she's undressed in the bathroom?