RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3 : The Peacekeepers [Update 17] [N_taii]

[Ion.TemUS]

Of course there will be a massive alteration of the core of the game, that's the plan.
How you said, she was was bad character in HC2 (all of them were in some way, that's mostly in my opinion because we didn't get properly connect with them, Celis was ok but c'mon bro... practice with me?... Bitch borderline r*tarded) with Aywin as MC you can have her be a complete slut or fights back, of course with consequences of that fighting back. Maybe Aywin could have even help zeno corrupt the other men and women of the tribe in exchange for keeping Noah and celis safe(Or lie that her husband is alive and better do what she is told to keep it that way if N_taii feels extra diabolical), and you can still have Noa do his thing maybe even events from his point of view.

I tell you, HC2 with a Female protagonist would have been a masterpiece.

"NTR only really works on male characters
Swap a woman in as the main character and the NTR is instantly ineffective"

That's actually just your opinion, there are plenty of NTR games with female MC that are Gold and I really see HC4 being one too if ever N_taii decide to bless us with it
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The one thing I feel I did not like quite as much in HC2 was that we set up the "Celis can beat you" thing with ... what was he called? Edwyr? And I always thought it was a shame that we did not go through with that. It would have been neat to have the corruption starting to a minor degree, but then we get to a point where she wants to put a stop to it and Edwyr had something set up, and propses a duel. She thinks she can win easy cause she did in the past, but she actually looses (either due to Edwyr scheming or due to her just having stopped training and him training hard) and then additional conditions apply and we are in coercion territory for some time. Would have been really neat.

But yea I agree, female MC is definitely a choice for a NTR game and works perfectly fine, as long as you involve the male partner heavily enough in the story. In those cases male partner needs to be a character with actual dialogue lines and a visual tho.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

I think you might want to re-read that, because they were talking about female antagonists (and F/F NTR) which is a very different topic from the question between a male or female player character.

I do think F/F could definitely be interesting and unique.
There is no a lot of these around, even less than reverse NTR (which is actually just normal NTR but with a male character being stolen instead of a female)

 

[Matoga]

Cyanna's descent has been pretty depressing. I just feel bad rather than aroused for what's going on with her like she's just broken. And while I do like the complexities of her own character, it just makes the resulting scenes not as great. But this is just my opinion, there are probably others out there that enjoy this aspect.

My thoughts exacly, during the demo when the personalities of the main cast were still unknown Cyanna was definitely my number 1 pick and it was not even close, but once N_Taii established her character as this shy and insecure woman who's secretly in love with Leto but doesn't act on it because Rose is already in a relationship with him, i just lost all interest in her, not because her character was badly written mind you, it's just simply because i feel bad for her 95% of the time. As a matter of fact i'd much rather see Cyanna end up with Leto in the happy ending instead of Rose actually.

As for that remaining 5%... It's hard to feel bad for her during her scenes because she's flat out asking Ulrod to berate her constantly, especially during her first sex scene, when Ulrod was calling her all kinds of names and she kept saying "more" in-between moans i was straight out flabbergasted.

 

[Oriandu]

Of course there will be a massive alteration of the core of the game, that's the plan.
How you said, she was was bad character in HC2 (all of them were in some way, that's mostly in my opinion because we didn't get properly connect with them, Celis was ok but c'mon bro... practice with me?... Bitch borderline r*tarded) with Aywin as MC you can have her be a complete slut or fights back, of course with consequences of that fighting back. Maybe Aywin could have even help zeno corrupt the other men and women of the tribe in exchange for keeping Noah and celis safe(Or lie that her husband is alive and better do what she is told to keep it that way if N_taii feels extra diabolical), and you can still have Noa do his thing maybe even events from his point of view.

I tell you, HC2 with a Female protagonist would have been a masterpiece.

"NTR only really works on male characters
Swap a woman in as the main character and the NTR is instantly ineffective"

That's actually just your opinion, there are plenty of NTR games with female MC that are Gold and I really see HC4 being one too if ever N_taii decide to bless us with it
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Massively alter the game and it's not HC2 anymore so you might as well be playing something else. There's plenty of shit out there involving a slutty mother figure as the main character, so you might as well go play those things since you seem to not actually want what N_Taii has to offer.

My thoughts exacly, during the demo when the personalities of the main cast were still unknown Cyanna was definitely my number 1 pick and it was not even close, but once N_Taii established her character as this shy and insecure woman who's secretly in love with Leto but doesn't act on it because Rose is already in a relationship with her, i just lost all interest in her, not because her character was badly written mind you, it's just simply because i feel bad for her 95% of the time. As a matter of fact i'd much rather see Cyanna end up with Leto in the happy ending instead of Rose actually.

As for that remaining 5%... It's hard to feel bad for her during her scenes because she's flat out asking Ulrod to berate her constantly, especially during her first sex scene, when Ulrod was calling her all kinds of names and she kept saying "more" in-between moans i was straight out flabbergasted.

One of my issues with Cyanna is that ultimately both she and Ulrod are pathetic. She's constantly down on herself and the only person interested in her romantically is a source of immense guilt, he's simping for the girl he hadn't seen in years and is so inept as a leader, soldier, and general human being that he resorts to violence and rape at the drop of a hat to get what he wants. It's hard to feel anything but pity for her and that makes her scenes less effective even before their actual content is considered.

My second and biggest problem with Cyanna's content is that she is constantly upstaged by Rose. Rose and Cyanna have such different stakes in their scenes. Cyanna is not cheating on Leto so Rose's scenes have more weight to them by default. Where Cyanna has essentially been bullied into a physical relationship with Ulrod, Rose is essentially being held captive and being emotionally blackmailed into sex with her captor who is at least twice her age. Rose's first scene can be summed up with "I have to do this." and it's factual. She had to do it. Cyanna's first scene is almost the exact opposite, she was drunk and depressed and gave in. Rose made a sacrifice, Cyanna gave up. The fact that they were played in concordence with each other just made Cyanna's side look and feel less important. Their second scenes are much the same with Rose seizing initiative, taking internal responsibility for betraying Leto, and Cyanna giving in to Ulrod's bullying again.

I feel like Cyanna and Rose should have been paired off with other characters in the story more often to avoid Cyanna feeling less important. More story content with Cyanna and Haylen, since Jazon is a guard there'd be some level of an excuse for Cyanna appearing in Haylen's content. Rose and Lily would be easy to pair together since Rose's alterego works at the bar on occasion. More interaction with the secondary cast would balance out how content is delivered and it would help keep Rose and Cyanna apart which would help with Cyanna being outshone by Rose.

 

[Federok88]

i have to agree with others, FMC centric NTR tends to lose its edge compared to the MC centic ones. Those are often more of corruption games and often have the male victim being an afterthought.

I think it could work in a fantasy adventure setting where two of the party members are the main couple and the other two male party members want to still her from him.

Now having a male and a female protagonists is something that can work, like in Tears of the Crypt where both protagonist are being corrupted simultaneously and the fmc falls if the mc fail to protect it her. With that said i dont think that the Henteria series would be the place to try that.

Edit: also i must the only sadistic fuck in the last two pages that drives pleasure from Cyanna precisly because her story is sad.

 

[Syndevic]

I have to agree with Matoga and Oriandu. Cyanna’s story is sad, and I don’t really enjoy it. Rape and humiliation aren’t my thing, even though there technically isn’t any rape she was still threatened with it, which while great for people who are into that, it just makes for a depressing story.
I also don’t know how you fix the problem that they both pointed out with Rose being the more compelling character/outshining Cyanna. While the MC does care about Cyanna and gets upset over things like her more revealing clothing, she isn’t the one really NTR’ing him. Rose is, and that carries more weight. Maybe if it wasn’t so rapey and she was willingly doing it to escape her feelings for Leto it would be better, but right now I don’t personally enjoy it.

As for Rose, I’m really curious what the story is going to be for the Duke eventually having unprotected sex ending in a creampie. It’s rare in a story that the guy the girl is cheating with doesn’t want to creampie her. I don’t know if some form of birth control is going to come into play that makes it okay, or if they stop caring and just do it or what is going to happen. It’s a very weird situation and honestly the thing I’m most excited to see is how it’s done/why the Duke decides it’s okay.

 

[mafuyuchan001]

Anyone seeing this too? ITS the best style imo so far

 

[Samm777]

Anyone seeing this too? ITS the best style imo so far

Who was the genius who thought of putting Duke's room in the same corner as the taskbar?

 

[N_taii]

Who was the genius who thought of putting Duke's room in the same corner as the taskbar?

You can remove the quest window by either going into quest/select the current quest/clear active or you can make it even easier by setting up a key that will automatically turn it ON/OFF in Option/Keyboard Config/select "toggle2" after clicking on the key you wish to assign to it : )

 

[inye59]

Anyone seeing this too? ITS the best style imo so far

Leto gas heard some rumours and he wants to spy the Mansion

 

[BBC King]

Proof Of Life #213: What's Going On?

Hello hello hello, you weird talking bipeds/quadrupeds after a night of heavy drinking, how is it going in this fine morning/afternoon/evening? And how was your week? Mine was pretty standard, with work split between working on HC3's story and making new maps.

What is happening in this picture? Why is Jazon pretending not to know Leto and Haylen? Is he even pretending? Did he forget? Did Leto finally hit him over the head with a big stick? Is it some kind of flashback? Is it Jazon's evil twin, who also happens to also be named Jazon? What is the meaning of life? Did I turn off the stove before leaving the house? Aaahhh!

So many questions, most of which will be answered in the next update. I'm currently done with Haylen's third scene, and it's now fully tested with all the custom sprites added. I've also been spending most of my weekend making new maps for the manor of Jazon's uncle, where Jazon also happens to live. You can see a glimpse of it above. It'll lead to a pretty important event in Haylen's storyline.

The next few days will probably be spent working on the extra scene, which will include Jazon and another new character. No spoilers. Then, Haylen's 4th and final scene will happen, and that should be the end of her fifth quest. I'm not sure how much time will be left after it, so I'm not making any plans for that right now.

That's it for this week's PoL. Not much to say, I know, but that's development for you. Not every week is an exciting one. With that said, I'll see you again next Monday!

Thank you for reading, and have a wonderful week!

N_Taii

 

[Prince of Depression]

This review perfectly sums up my thoughts on the last two Henteria games:

It almost makes me question N_Taii's views on women, thinking they would fall so easily for degen schemes.

Bro, you literally self-projecting snowflake who labels things that don't fit his ideological agendas. Life is made up of things and stories that you may not like. If you wanna talk about views on women, women can be different. They aren't saints or robots with no passions or motivations like in your whiteknight objectified view. This game isn't chatgpt level sterile story about "healty relationship" from western woke perspective.
Go back to twitter.

 

[MachoGuy]

Massively alter the game and it's not HC2 anymore so you might as well be playing something else. There's plenty of shit out there involving a slutty mother figure as the main character, so you might as well go play those things since you seem to not actually want what N_Taii has to offer.


One of my issues with Cyanna is that ultimately both she and Ulrod are pathetic. She's constantly down on herself and the only person interested in her romantically is a source of immense guilt, he's simping for the girl he hadn't seen in years and is so inept as a leader, soldier, and general human being that he resorts to violence and rape at the drop of a hat to get what he wants. It's hard to feel anything but pity for her and that makes her scenes less effective even before their actual content is considered.

My second and biggest problem with Cyanna's content is that she is constantly upstaged by Rose. Rose and Cyanna have such different stakes in their scenes. Cyanna is not cheating on Leto so Rose's scenes have more weight to them by default. Where Cyanna has essentially been bullied into a physical relationship with Ulrod, Rose is essentially being held captive and being emotionally blackmailed into sex with her captor who is at least twice her age. Rose's first scene can be summed up with "I have to do this." and it's factual. She had to do it. Cyanna's first scene is almost the exact opposite, she was drunk and depressed and gave in. Rose made a sacrifice, Cyanna gave up. The fact that they were played in concordence with each other just made Cyanna's side look and feel less important. Their second scenes are much the same with Rose seizing initiative, taking internal responsibility for betraying Leto, and Cyanna giving in to Ulrod's bullying again.

I feel like Cyanna and Rose should have been paired off with other characters in the story more often to avoid Cyanna feeling less important. More story content with Cyanna and Haylen, since Jazon is a guard there'd be some level of an excuse for Cyanna appearing in Haylen's content. Rose and Lily would be easy to pair together since Rose's alterego works at the bar on occasion. More interaction with the secondary cast would balance out how content is delivered and it would help keep Rose and Cyanna apart which would help with Cyanna being outshone by Rose.

It will still be HC2 but better from any point, And I can't play other games with slutty mothers because I've played them all (And they aren't plenty out there at all, There are plenty of NTR games with Male protagonist tho, even pixel'd games that follow literally the same story)

HC2 dosen't matter anyway, HC3 too. I'm waiting for the next game to be a female protag one but it most likely won't be

Not because N_taii wouldn't want to make one but all 3 HC games are basically the same, following the same formula and type of story. If N_taii could have made something different he would have done it by now.

So the next game will most likely be something extremely similar to what you are playing right now, just with new characters (Who behaves the same)

 

[BBC King]

It will still be HC2 but better from any point, And I can't play other games with slutty mothers because I've played them all (And they aren't plenty out there at all, There are plenty of NTR games with Male protagonist tho, even pixel'd games that follow literally the same story)

HC2 dosen't matter anyway, HC3 too. I'm waiting for the next game to be a female protag one but it most likely won't be

Not because N_taii wouldn't want to make one but all 3 HC games are basically the same, following the same formula and type of story. If N_taii could have made something different he would have done it by now.

So the next game will most likely be something extremely similar to what you are playing right now, just with new characters (Who behaves the same)

It's Netorare what more do you want? lol

It sounds like you just prefer corruption/cheating/sluttification female MC's.

 

[Netori Popeye]

Bro, you literally self-projecting snowflake who labels things that don't fit his ideological agendas. Life is made up of things and stories that you may not like. If you wanna talk about views on women, women can be different. They aren't saints or robots with no passions or motivations like in your whiteknight objectified view. This game isn't chatgpt level sterile story about "healty relationship" from western woke perspective.
Go back to twitter.

You really drew all that out of a small paragraph? Funny guy.

Look, is it a fact or not that N_Taii has yet to write a female character who doesn't abandon her morals on a whim? Calling me out for noticing patterns is exactly what Twitter snowflakes do. After playing all three of his games I'm starting to question his viewpoints on certain issues, this isn't toxic engagement in the slightest; if anything I am showing him respect by engaging with his works in the same way one would engage with a director or writer's body of work.

Lol.. just when I was out, they pulled me back in. I can do this all day though, I stand on firm ground. Nothing I have said so far is insulting nor incorrect.

 

[Readerf2b]

You really drew all that out of a small paragraph? Funny guy.

Look, is it a fact or not that N_Taii has yet to write a female character who doesn't abandon her morals on a whim? Calling me out for noticing patterns is exactly what Twitter snowflakes do. After playing all three of his games I'm starting to question his viewpoints on certain issues, this isn't toxic engagement in the slightest; if anything I am showing him respect by engaging with his works in the same way one would engage with a director or writer's body of work.

Lol.. just when I was out, they pulled me back in. I can do this all day though, I stand on firm ground. Nothing I have said so far is insulting nor incorrect.

Its porn game. Dropping morals in exchange for vitamin D is a base of genere.

 

[Kulman]

You really drew all that out of a small paragraph? Funny guy.

Look, is it a fact or not that N_Taii has yet to write a female character who doesn't abandon her morals on a whim? Calling me out for noticing patterns is exactly what Twitter snowflakes do. After playing all three of his games I'm starting to question his viewpoints on certain issues, this isn't toxic engagement in the slightest; if anything I am showing him respect by engaging with his works in the same way one would engage with a director or writer's body of work.

Lol.. just when I was out, they pulled me back in. I can do this all day though, I stand on firm ground. Nothing I have said so far is insulting nor incorrect.

On a whim? Survival of your whole kingdom? Whim apparently. Getting her son out of huge trouble that could have him jailed/exiled? Whim apparently.
Pretty much every heroine has clear reasons for the fall. If anything, you could make the criticism it can be too real, leading to it being too depressing.

You lost any semblance of firm ground couple of shitposts ago.

 

[MachoGuy]

It's Netorare what more do you want? lol

It sounds like you just prefer corruption/cheating/sluttification female MC's.

We can have another Netorare(A 4th one) or we can have a Netorare game with corruption/cheating/sluttification female MC's.



It might sound that I really like the female MC NTR but I actually prefer it just over overused Male MCs, where it clearly as day that would have enhanced the game.


My favorite type of NTR is even more hated, It the one were you as the player have no idea that the cheating occurs and you really need to search for it, I know, I know put the tomatoes down.

I understand why people get so railed up when they hear about such a change, It not like I would have reacted differently if someone would come to the Alansya Chronicles: Fleeting Iris and hit me with the "Man this game is really fun! But I'm not really feeling the Female Protag, how about instead of having so many branches and so many choices you just play as the husband and just follow your wife around in a linear way. am I cooking or not?" I would have gone ballistic and most likely track you in real life and NTR you (GF/Wife/Mother/Cat, Nothing would have been spared) but... If we were at Alansya Chronicles: Fleeting Iris 3 and the game was till the same I might be a open to some changes for the 4th:



But again, This whole discussion isn't really leading anyway since N_taii can't deliver a different product and I'm not talking about a different protagonist, but something different in general.

A blessing for those whole loved HC1 and a curse for those who wants something more :C (Me)

 

[BBC King]

We can have another Netorare(A 4th one) or we can have a Netorare game with corruption/cheating/sluttification female MC's.
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It might sound that I really like the female MC NTR but I actually prefer it just over overused Male MCs, where it clearly as day that would have enhanced the game.


My favorite type of NTR is even more hated, It the one were you as the player have no idea that the cheating occurs and you really need to search for it, I know, I know put the tomatoes down.

I understand why people get so railed up when they hear about such a change, It not like I would have reacted differently if someone would come to the Alansya Chronicles: Fleeting Iris and hit me with the "Man this game is really fun! But I'm not really feeling the Female Protag, how about instead of having so many branches and so many choices you just play as the husband and just follow your wife around in a linear way. am I cooking or not?" I would have gone ballistic and most likely track you in real life and NTR you (GF/Wife/Mother/Cat, Nothing would have been spared) but... If we were at Alansya Chronicles: Fleeting Iris 3 and the game was till the same I might be a open to some changes for the 4th:
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But again, This whole discussion isn't really leading anyway since N_taii can't deliver a different product and I'm not talking about a different protagonist, but something different in general.

A blessing for those whole loved HC1 and a curse for those who wants something more :C (Me)

I dont consider Female MC's, Netorare games. The point of NTR games is to experience loss, I dont think a female is the correct way to showcase this. From a male point of view you can see his loved ones taken away or fallen but as a female you play as the one being corrupted and defiled. I consider those games [Cheating] and [Corruption].

I dont think men gamers can get the same feeling NTR elicits if they are playing as a woman.

 

[Oriandu]

Honestly I don't consider HC1 and 2 NTR games. There's no NTR in the first game, and the second game only has it between two side characters. HC3 is the first to actually have it in the primary relationship but I would still struggle to call it an NTR game simply because Leto is a mute MC and as a result I don't really empathize with him. To me the HC games are about the corruption, however the corruption would not be as effective without it being passed through the lens of an innocent bystander. While I'm not saying that the MC has to me male, it's more effective when that MC is male simply because of societal expectations for men and women. Because of this the HC games kind of sit in a bit of a no man's land between corruption and NTR, and switching to a female MC could disrupt that causing a game to lean too heavily in another direction. That could make the game lose what makes it feel like a Henteria Chronicles game.

Female lead cheating and cuckold games have their niche, male lead cheating and cuckqueen games have their niche, NTR games focusing on a woman or man both have their niches. I just feel like the HC games need a male MC simply because of how they focus on external forces destroying the world of a person and men make better victims in such a situation.