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Ren'Py Hermione Trainer [v0.2] [EdgeAI]

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waxing carnauba

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I don't get why everyone is so mad. I mean, this thread has been going on for a while, ragging on the poor guy for the concept being derivative and the AI art being a 'shortcut', but when it comes down to it, all worthwhile experiences borrow the seeds from things that came before it. And the source he's borrowing so heavily from was a genuinely solid game (especially for its time), so if the man can build on it, then I say that's great! I mean, yeah, he might not get any prizes for ingenuity (at least as far as the concept goes), but if he stays focused and keeps moving at a decent clip, he could still make something genuinely great.

Look at it this way: by borrowing so heavily from a solid foundation and using AI to bypass one of the biggest hurdles in visual game development for non-artists, he's streamlining the entire process. This could mean faster updates. More content. A vast swath of features that are added and improved with each new version! Myriad possibilities being explored! More wiggle room for experimentation!

Where you see shortcuts, I see potential! I say, "hold your judgment until you see what the man can accomplish with this sleek, lightweight, agile way of doing things!"

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lnomsim

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People are not criticizing because "respect muh copyrights"

People are criticizing because asset flip AI cash grabs are inherently poor quality, souless, and rife with issues such as bad writing and being abandoned as soon as patreon income is below the amount the author thought he would rake in.

Soulless cash grabs don't have to be indie btw. Lots of megacorps spend hundreds of millions of dollars on soulless cash grabs trying to exploit IPs poorly.
And sometimes those flop pretty badly too.
I understand your point of view, but I was answering someone, and that's not what that someone said.

It's the stealing and plagiarizing that makes people angry
We're not talking about the copywriting of the big companies and the fact that they have their own licenses. Nobody gives bad marks to simple parodies where you seduce Disney princesses.... We're talking about a specific case here. When people are really angry about this project. Just show me at least one successful project that used akabur style with AI ? I think there is no such project. All because people know it's useless and it's impossible to get money because of it. People are not stupid. Any other trainer, without using the concept of akabur and his style, will get more reactions and feedback and money than this plagiarism. Here we are not talking about creative realization, we are not talking about the ability to create something good and quality. This is just another attempt to cash in on an already successful franchise, idea and art.
First, who are "the people" ? You are what? Two, three guys complaining?

Second, intellectual property theft is intellectual property theft. It doesn't matter if it's from a a big company or a "small" independent artist. He still made money on unlicensed product. Because you fapped to it doesn't make it ok.

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Just show me at least one successful project that used akabur style with AI ? I think there is no such project
How many are they?
I think it's the first one I ever saw. Until we managed to send the first man in space, it was useless to try, nobody had managed to do it. That's your argument.

Though, I'll agree with you on one point, it's more pleasant to have handmade art, or art where a human was involved, even if there was AI. (still, take a look at the shopkeeper, it's AI assisted, and the art is really good)

On another hand, I know at least one "successful" game that directly ripped off witch trainer assets, can't remember the name of the game. It's a lesbian game where we have to help our nerdy girlfriend to study and wind off, an html game. It has Hermione in her pink sweatshirt.

Finally, moneybgrab....
You know why F95 exist, right? Because most of the games here are moneygrab with low effort put in them, and not everyone can afford to spend so much money for so little efforts. (the Irony, btw is that most use either DAZ without paying a commercial license or Illusion's studio, which the company announced was illegal if it was for commercial purpose, talk about plagiarism and intellectual theft). How many games gets abandoned after a few updates? How many successfully games suddenly come to a slow down so they don't get finished too fast and lose their income?

You don't need AI for this.

You have the right to not like AI, personally, as long as the quality is there, I don't care.

This is a very early version of the game, for now, I don't judge, there is plenty of improvement to be done, and quite a lot has already been done between 0.1 and 0.2.

You don't want Akabur's Hermione to be used, but... the first version of Hermione in the game was Akabur's style, but it wasn't witch trainer Hermione either, you're barking at windmills there.

But stop with the property theft and plagiarism claims, especially on a pirate platform.

Also, I forgot something important, the game is free.
Witch Trainer Silver and Innocent Witches have a Patreon too. Still free games though. :HideThePain:
 
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Karnewarrior

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It's not even lazy AI where the dev just asks a robot to do all the art for him, the Dev goes over it himself and directly alters the pics with his own talent.

You know, the legitimate use of AI?

The idea that Akabur has some sort of claim to his own style is completely laughable. No artist ever has had a property claim to a style. If I make my horror movie in black and white, I'm not being sued by the Hitchcock estate.

Posturing as being more ethically correct when using theft as an excuse to attack artists for doing what artists have done since fucking Aristotle was still alive is, as the dev put so succinctly, pathetic.
 
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It's not even lazy AI where the dev just asks a robot to do all the art for him, the Dev goes over it himself and directly alters the pics with his own talent.
He does? then how come one of the sample pics has 6 fingers?

Anyways, I am waiting to see if this somehow turns out to be the first ever good AI game ever in history ever.

I will admit that aside from that the 6 fingers guffaw, the girls do look pretty hot thus far. And I am always down for training hermoine into a sex slave.
I understand your point of view, but I was answering someone, and that's not what that someone said.
Alright. fair enough that one person said that.
 
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He does? then how come one of the sample pics has 6 fingers?

Anyways, I am waiting to see if this somehow turns out to be the first ever good AI game ever in history ever.

I will admit that aside from that the 6 fingers guffaw, the girls do look pretty hot thus far. And I am always down for training hermoine into a sex slave.

Alright. fair enough that one person said that.
6 finger issue has already been resolved, its just the image is outdated
 
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Karnewarrior

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He does? then how come one of the sample pics has 6 fingers?
Because that's a mistake human artists have been making since the dawn of time? I don't think a single artist in history has ever said hands are easy. The common mistake is dropping a finger, but other "AI" mistakes have shown up even in famous works. The phantom arm in Da Vinci's final supper is a good example of this.
Sometimes, you overlook something. The fact most of the gens don't have 7 fingers should probably be a sign that someone's gone over the images at least.

Anyways, I am waiting to see if this somehow turns out to be the first ever good AI game ever in history ever.

I will admit that aside from that the 6 fingers guffaw, the girls do look pretty hot thus far. And I am always down for training hermoine into a sex slave.

Alright. fair enough that one person said that.
Hey, there's bound to be good AI games at some point. It would make sense to me that it happens for the first dev (that I know of) to use AI the proper way - as a supplementary tool and not a wholesale replacement of an artist.
 

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Because that's a mistake human artists have been making since the dawn of time? I don't think a single artist in history has ever said hands are easy. The common mistake is dropping a finger, but other "AI" mistakes have shown up even in famous works. The phantom arm in Da Vinci's final supper is a good example of this.
Sometimes, you overlook something. The fact most of the gens don't have 7 fingers should probably be a sign that someone's gone over the images at least.


Hey, there's bound to be good AI games at some point. It would make sense to me that it happens for the first dev (that I know of) to use AI the proper way - as a supplementary tool and not a wholesale replacement of an artist.
About the bad hands, not necessarily, a good amount of LORA, embedding and some models can now generate good hands naturally.

With what I use (and sometimes, even without embedding or LORA), I'd say I have good hands 90% of the time. But the 10% left are just nightmare fuel, sometimes I miss the extra finger.
 

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Hey, there's bound to be good AI games at some point. It would make sense to me that it happens for the first dev (that I know of) to use AI the proper way - as a supplementary tool and not a wholesale replacement of an artist.
Well, I know some who do.

for example: do you know that game with that one?

- - - - - Amazone 12.png
 

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Karnewarrior, i would like to ask you something ...

I'll show you two pictures,
and then another picture:

1. ) Herm 1.png Herm 2.png

2.) . . Hermine 11.png

Which of them do you think is at a higher level ?
 

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Honestly the second one looks better imo, accounting for the fact it's a blown up profile pic and the others are fullscreen sprites
 
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Karnewarrior, i would like to ask you something ...

I'll show you two pictures,
and then another picture:

1. ) View attachment 4069322 View attachment 4069323

2.) . . View attachment 4069324

Which of them do you think is at a higher level ?
Short answer:

CirnoXFumo.png

Longer answer:

You're not making a fair comparison. Firstly the AI image is a closeup of the face while the first 2 images are a chibi and bust shot respectively, both at a much lower resolution. Even their in game sizes have a large discrepancy. You just aren't able to cram in as much detail and subtly without things looking messy.

Secondly, Akabur's style is closer to a graphical, comic book still compared to the AI apparent attempt at a stand alone illustration. While I agree when it comes to perceived technical skill the AI piece utilities a wider variety of edges for shadows and line coloration, no one is zooming in to look at these details while reading text or jacking/jilling it. People like myself are looking for a cohesive scene. In this way the images you featured from Fantasy conquest either fail or actively avoid by blurring everything (save the 5th one of interacting with the clothes).

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As such, a more fair comparison is something like asking which one of these scenes seems more cohesive:

compare_akabar_ai.png

I added Mindy because the way her cell shading matches with the game's art direction more than the current AI Hermione with her softer edges. This comparison is still not perfect since a) the scaling algorithm (Lanczos3) used on Akabur's piece to match the size of the other assets makes the edges slightly fuzzy, diminishing it's appearance and b) I've edited the image of Mindy slightly to remove some rendering errors. This is also an admitence that nothing I wrote here is inherant to AI but simply common tropes that plague works involving its assistance.
 
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