Ren'Py Hero Party Must Fall [v0.5.6 Test 2] [Nitrolith]

[A middle-aged Femboy]

The admins literally removed the quote I posted with the proof, I searched it again, and it's nowhere to be found.

My memory is pretty spotty but I remember a post somewhere saying he used AI and I have eyes as well when I played some of the later builds so I do believe you when it comes to AI, but never doubt the power of screenshots again.

So how do I start this?

Let me just say that this is both a warning and a review, about what changed and what happened to the game formed from what I saw and what I formed my opinion from.

I have played HPMF way back when, whet It was still on it's beginnings, I wasn't one to comment on things, it is something I started doing recently.

But when I decided to check out the game again, I saw some, let's just say, Great changes.

I will base this changes from the point of view of the protagonist.

Mars, who was mars?

A complicated character with a trauma of his own, he was painted grey, a insert for the player, he was neither asian, black, brown, nor white.

He was what the player could see the world through his eyes.

I will admit that netorare nor netori is a no for me, but after reading the reviews and the popularity of the game in this site, I decided to check it out, and stayed for the plot.

I was not really sure if I should play the game, I thought that it would be another shitty NTR game, using a barely disguised stand in for my race as the god of porn and better than everyone.

But nope, I was wrong.

So I played, got tired and dropped off the game after having to replay everything after each update.

So two months ago, after god knows how many years, 4 I think, (god 2021 was four years ago).

I saw the game again, and decided to try.

I was, disappointed.

One of the very first scenes with VI, the female Character is having her give you a blowjob.

And I pretty much had to double take after I seen what they changed with mars.

I got confused, was this another character?

Did my dumbass Brazilian brain read the wrong the text wrong because I am shitty at English, and invited another character?.

But nope, that was Mars.

I was so weirded out, so I tried again, and lo and behold, same thing, I honestly didn't know how to feel about that, I had noticed that the sprite for Mars was different, dark actually, but I assumed it was the lightning.

Nope, they changed him to a typical stand for my race, the thing I feared this would be.

I was in denial, I tried the sera scenes, cecille scenes and yep.

The same, I was so fucking confused, not only that, the AI generated images.

I double checked the VI scene, and well shit, yeah that looked like one of those AI generated images made by Blacked freaks who just wanted to goon.

Disappointment could not describe what I felt about the game, sure the mechanics, story and Dialogues stayed the same.

But the author suddenly decided to thrown away mars design and say fuck it, this is typical racist ntr shit now.

Most glaringly obvious is the inconsistencies with the scenes and how he looks like, it's like nitrolith couldn't decide on what to do.

So I began to dig, through the entire reviews and posts of this thread (which let me tell you, it was irritating)

And I noticed that people also noticed this, and that only a few people, praised these changes, while the rest of the huge amount of members fucked off to somewhere else.

I also saw a post in this thread that only strengthened what I believe, a image of Nitrolith admitting that he used AI and trying to blame the lightning for his darker appearance.

If that was true, the female character on the image would have also been darker, but her skin remained unchanged, and there's the fact that he sidestepped the questioning about the changes made on Mars.

Not only that the game became a typical NTR cashcow, the itchio hasn't been updated for years and the only way to grab the game is through patreon or here, and the most suspicious of all is that Nitrolith has disappeared, and another person, posts about the development now.

So what I do believe happened?

Nitrolith fell into the goon pit.

No really, I am serious, He had a artstyle that was consistent, but once the racist freaks showed up, spouting about bbc, And the NTR goons supporting as well, he had to make changes to fit their requests, not only that he also started using AI, something that Is usual when those two groups meet.

So much so that the interracial tag was added and because the admins don't like their favorite games losing popularity they didn't add the AI generated tag.

And i am really worried about Nitrolith, if he really did fall into what I believe he did, then there's a chance that he is suffering, communities of those two groups, have habit of mental abuse towards their members, something on the vein off.

You need to cut an X on your chest to be part of the cool kids, type of thing.

Check these guys out, to see what I am talking about.
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If you don't believe me, I urge you to search for yourself and form your own opinion.

If you are here for the story, then please stay, it is still good, but honestly, I can see the direction that the game will take now and i will not play it anymore.

If you see this post, but it disappeared, then it was delete and not by my choice.

It is because the admins don't like people bad mouthing their favorite games and calling them out on their bullshit.

I respect some admins, others here are doing what they like and have a god complex.

When I first noticed the Ai I thought they were just placeholders so I didn't have an issue with it unless it was the actual final drawing. Don't know what the word is now or whether thats actually true or not (being placeholders), I just pop in every now and then onto the thread until they let me make Erin a woman after slightly pissing me off when they turned a belly-dancing princess into a damn twink (I did admittingly flashbang myself since i just skip dialogue and go straight to the scenes.)

For the blacked stuff I just write it off as the Gyaru-oh aesthetic for Mars with a darker tan, I think it is easy correct the skin color with AI prompts and I think I recall him being darker than the first screenshots in this thread regardless of lighting (but then again, I haven't played it in a while so its probably the mandela effect). Don't care much about the skin color of the dude regardless, but unless there are messages, the girls get an ace of spades tattoo, or something more concrete I can't fully believe you on this other than Nitro using a different color for some scenes for some reason or just forgetting/being too lazy to edit prompts.

Other than that, I do think it is kinda weird Nitro hasn't updated the Itch page for almost 2 years. Think the bigger issue is just the reliance on AI when the original art style (and most human-made art in general imo) was far better, and also how I've been waiting almost 2 years to not skip out on content unless I want to watch 2 men kissing.

 

[anonsuit]

mars got dark? anyone has examples? he looks to me as dark as he was day one. I have not seen the newest updates though. I stopped playing around the point where you get diverging endings. like turning the hero into a woman.

 

[robs1234]

mars got dark? anyone has examples? he looks to me as dark as he was day one. I have not seen the newest updates though. I stopped playing around the point where you get diverging endings. like turning the hero into a woman.

nah, he is . Some1 said above and he is right, search on pornhub gameplay with the old build, He was grey;ish then got darker and now full black, its a clear diference, but again idc that much but is a bit wierd, maybe the guys who pay him on patreon are into that and he change but he is saing is beccouse of alot of filters he is using but idk.

 

[Sexdrake]

I check this thread regularly, and it seems like there are always the same complaints about the game, which is fair! It must be quite hard to please everyone and their fetishes. You can make a game where the aim is to corrupt the main hero and his party as the evil antagonist and you still get people who want the total opposite of it.

Anyway, there is the 'Mars is now black!' discourse.

There is the 'Why is it so homosexual now?' one.

Finally, there is the 'It's AI now!' discourse.

Regarding the first complaint, here is one of the first CG's you see when you start playing:

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Here is one from the latest build:

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I believe the real issue stems from images such as these:

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In these CG's, not only is the skin colour noticeably darker, it is also comically large, which is the reason why this discourse is had almost every update. I don't want to add to this discourse or share an opinion, I just wanted to point out that the darker skin colour is present in some CG's, not all.

Secondly, the 'Everything is gay now' discourse. Erin getting cucked and aroused by both Cecille and Mars, and the player experiencing that scene from his point of view was quite early in the game, so some semblance of gayness was always present. On top of that, Erin is one of 4 choices to pursue. You have 3 women, then you have 1 man which isn't even really a man but whatever. I believe Nitrolith tapped into a less explored area with this one, which was a novel approach to the whole thing. I believe the reason why Erin's story works so well is because his character flaws are present very early in the story and you clearly see why his actions and behaviours would lead to his demise. But even then, the player has the option of either gender-bending Erin or removing him completely. For it to be all gay, there should be no choice. There is also the fact that even a sissified Erin looks very feminine and the homosexual part is occasionally hidden. Here is an example:

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You barely see Erin's penis here. Or this one:

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There is obviously gay sex here, but there also is the effort to make it look like Erin has a vagina of sorts as well. At this point in the story, could Erin even be considered male? He displays every behaviour typically attributed to the female gender. I understand why to some it is unattractive, once again I just wanted to show the examples, not to add input.

Lastly, the AI art thing. Nitro themselves have said they used AI, but there are 2 distinct ways of using AI. You either use it as a crutch or a tool. This is the area I would like to add input, as I believe Nitro uses it as a tool, not a crutch. Nitro's shading has progressed considerably, which gives his drawings a more complex glow. Check this old CG for instance:

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There are few shades and tints and they do not pop out, but Nitro obviously has the basics down.

Now check this one:

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It's the same concept of shading, just more complex with more layers, which makes it seem like AI. The tints, or white shadows are what give the drawings life.

Anyway that was a productive use of my time.

 

[PetrusSanctus]

I check this thread regularly, and it seems like there are always the same complaints about the game, which is fair! It must be quite hard to please everyone and their fetishes. You can make a game where the aim is to corrupt the main hero and his party as the evil antagonist and you still get people who want the total opposite of it.

Anyway, there is the 'Mars is now black!' discourse.

There is the 'Why is it so homosexual now?' one.

Finally, there is the 'It's AI now!' discourse.

Regarding the first complaint, here is one of the first CG's you see when you start playing:

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Here is one from the latest build:

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I believe the real issue stems from images such as these:

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In these CG's, not only is the skin colour noticeably darker, it is also comically large, which is the reason why this discourse is had almost every update. I don't want to add to this discourse or share an opinion, I just wanted to point out that the darker skin colour is present in some CG's, not all.

Secondly, the 'Everything is gay now' discourse. Erin getting cucked and aroused by both Cecille and Mars, and the player experiencing that scene from his point of view was quite early in the game, so some semblance of gayness was always present. On top of that, Erin is one of 4 choices to pursue. You have 3 women, then you have 1 man which isn't even really a man but whatever. I believe Nitrolith tapped into a less explored area with this one, which was a novel approach to the whole thing. I believe the reason why Erin's story works so well is because his character flaws are present very early in the story and you clearly see why his actions and behaviours would lead to his demise. But even then, the player has the option of either gender-bending Erin or removing him completely. For it to be all gay, there should be no choice. There is also the fact that even a sissified Erin looks very feminine and the homosexual part is occasionally hidden. Here is an example:

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You barely see Erin's penis here. Or this one:

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There is obviously gay sex here, but there also is the effort to make it look like Erin has a vagina of sorts as well. At this point in the story, could Erin even be considered male? He displays every behaviour typically attributed to the female gender. I understand why to some it is unattractive, once again I just wanted to show the examples, not to add input.

Lastly, the AI art thing. Nitro themselves have said they used AI, but there are 2 distinct ways of using AI. You either use it as a crutch or a tool. This is the area I would like to add input, as I believe Nitro uses it as a tool, not a crutch. Nitro's shading has progressed considerably, which gives his drawings a more complex glow. Check this old CG for instance:

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There are few shades and tints and they do not pop out, but Nitro obviously has the basics down.

Now check this one:

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It's the same concept of shading, just more complex with more layers, which makes it seem like AI. The tints, or white shadows are what give the drawings life.

Anyway that was a productive use of my time.

Honestly I don't care if Erin is gay, since, well I am gay.

Also, that image with Cecille is not the first CG, it is a scene with Vi not only that there's a Image of Sera.

Besides those images pretty much prove my point.

Nitrolith can use AI if it makes his life easier, but my gripe with it was the inconsistencies and the contradictory nature of his explanations.

He claims that the filter affects the tone of the characters but it seems only Mars suffers from it.

My memory is pretty spotty but I remember a post somewhere saying he used AI and I have eyes as well when I played some of the later builds so I do believe you when it comes to AI, but never doubt the power of screenshots again.



When I first noticed the Ai I thought they were just placeholders so I didn't have an issue with it unless it was the actual final drawing. Don't know what the word is now or whether thats actually true or not (being placeholders), I just pop in every now and then onto the thread until they let me make Erin a woman after slightly pissing me off when they turned a belly-dancing princess into a damn twink (I did admittingly flashbang myself since i just skip dialogue and go straight to the scenes.)

For the blacked stuff I just write it off as the Gyaru-oh aesthetic for Mars with a darker tan, I think it is easy correct the skin color with AI prompts and I think I recall him being darker than the first screenshots in this thread regardless of lighting (but then again, I haven't played it in a while so its probably the mandela effect). Don't care much about the skin color of the dude regardless, but unless there are messages, the girls get an ace of spades tattoo, or something more concrete I can't fully believe you on this other than Nitro using a different color for some scenes for some reason or just forgetting/being too lazy to edit prompts.

Other than that, I do think it is kinda weird Nitro hasn't updated the Itch page for almost 2 years. Think the bigger issue is just the reliance on AI when the original art style (and most human-made art in general imo) was far better, and also how I've been waiting almost 2 years to not skip out on content unless I want to watch 2 men kissing.

I visited the discord this morning, to see if I could find that quote that the admins deleted, and I found things that were interesting.

Some dude by the name StarWanderer read my post, called me schizo and tried to provide a solution to the problems i talked about, by posting it on the Ideas chat.

I felt the conversation was really manipulative by the side of the discord members and from what i seen they are speaking in behalf of Nitrolith, he is 'active" by the way, but honestly it a very small active, he only posts things rarely or when providing a update to the game.

I will defend the discord group on one case, since i believe the guy was trying to troll, considering that he had that leaf that signals him as newly arrived member.

But nothing from that conversation justifies the bodypilling and disproportionate response.

He said that he would share the images of the conversation, but so far he hasn't shown anything so, I give some more hours and if he doesn't I take the screenshots myself.

If you don't want to wait that long go to Nitrolith discord to see what I am talking about.

They pretty much admitted that they were using racial slurs as images, and I seen some images talking about blacked and bbc and spades stuff, I didn't really find that image with Vi using a confederate flag.

Also about the screen, I considered it, but the images were small so even zooming in would not reveal the text, you would need to click the actual image to see the conversation, so that was pointless.

Though I didn't expect that the admins would be scummy enough to delete actual proof, I know they have their own personal agendas but damn.

Didn't even provide a reason as to why, just said it was a Clean Up.

 

[Uriel ☁]

People are reading way too much in the graphics inconsistencies. This game has always been an incongruent mess, and nitro himself have always admitted it.

Some of it were natural, the visuals evolved as nitro evolved his drawing quality and style.
Other were actually done on purpose. Mars' skin has always been darker with Cecille and lighter with Sera in order to increase the skin contrast and avoid a graphical mess.

It's worth pointing out that Mars was never supposed to have grey skin. His appearance is based on the "tanned japanese surfer" trope, a classic in ntr doujinshi. I believe nitro was stuck in the usual dilemma of fixing the previous mistake or sticking with it to the end, which is very relatable if you've ever done a crazy long project like this one.

But if you watch the overall picture you'll realize it's not just Mars' skin that's inconsistent, there're major inconsistencies everywhere.

People in this thread used to complain about Cecille's eyebrows color. She used to have blonde eyebrows, but lately she has darker/black eyebrows. Even that raised some conspiracy theories lol.

Sera's muscles change all the time. There are picture where she's ripped af and other where she's all kawaii with no definition at all. And btw her skin tone changes all the time yet nobody talks about it.


Regarding AI, nitro said he tried using it in the past but wasn't happy with the result. There are AI image detection tools online, I tried using a few on some images and they generally say the images are human made (this tools are dodgy af and wouldn't trust their result anyway). Nitro offered to pass the image source file on discord to whoever wanted to check it and their hundreds of layers (AI creates a single blob without any layer), so if you're interested in checking try asking for it.

 

[Foupouda]

Hi, I started a new game and got this after a duo training.

So my save can no longer be loaded...

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    python:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 3700, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 3700, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 2857, in script call
    python:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1793, in script
    $ renpy.jump(chosen_event)
ScriptError: could not find label 'k_sum_2_99'.

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "\HeroPartyMustFall-0.5.5-Bugfixes-1-pc\renpy\bootstrap.py", line 316, in bootstrap
    renpy.main.main()
  File "\HeroPartyMustFall-0.5.5-Bugfixes-1-pc\renpy\main.py", line 578, in main
    run(restart)
  File "\HeroPartyMustFall-0.5.5-Bugfixes-1-pc\renpy\main.py", line 143, in run
    renpy.execution.run_context(True)
  File "\HeroPartyMustFall-0.5.5-Bugfixes-1-pc\renpy\execution.py", line 908, in run_context
    context.run()
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1922, in script call
    $ renpy.call(l)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1922, in script call
    $ renpy.call(l)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 3700, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1922, in script call
    $ renpy.call(l)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1922, in script call
    $ renpy.call(l)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1922, in script call
    $ renpy.call(l)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1922, in script call
    $ renpy.call(l)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1922, in script call
    $ renpy.call(l)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1922, in script call
    $ renpy.call(l)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1922, in script call
    $ renpy.call(l)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 3700, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1922, in script call
    $ renpy.call(l)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1922, in script call
    $ renpy.call(l)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 3700, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 3700, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 3700, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 2857, in script call
    python:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 3700, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 2857, in script call
    python:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 3700, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 3700, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 2857, in script call
    python:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1844, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 725, in script call
    call screen a_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 542, in script call
    call screen p_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 507, in script call
    call screen w_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1928, in script call
    $ renpy.call(ev)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 637, in script call
    call screen k_command_menu
  File "game/script.rpy", line 1793, in script
    $ renpy.jump(chosen_event)
  File "\HeroPartyMustFall-0.5.5-Bugfixes-1-pc\renpy\script.py", line 898, in lookup
    raise ScriptError("could not find label '%s'." % str(original))
ScriptError: could not find label 'k_sum_2_99'.

Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 7.3.5.606
Hero Party Must Fall 0.5.5-Bugfixes-1
Wed May 14 15:12:07 2025

 

[GUMGOD311]

People are reading way too much in the graphics inconsistencies. This game has always been an incongruent mess, and nitro himself have always admitted it.

Some of it were natural, the visuals evolved as nitro evolved his drawing quality and style.
Other were actually done on purpose. Mars' skin has always been darker with Cecille and lighter with Sera in order to increase the skin contrast and avoid a graphical mess.

It's worth pointing out that Mars was never supposed to have grey skin. His appearance is based on the "tanned japanese surfer" trope, a classic in ntr doujinshi. I believe nitro was stuck in the usual dilemma of fixing the previous mistake or sticking with it to the end, which is very relatable if you've ever done a crazy long project like this one.

But if you watch the overall picture you'll realize it's not just Mars' skin that's inconsistent, there're major inconsistencies everywhere.

People in this thread used to complain about Cecille's eyebrows color. She used to have blonde eyebrows, but lately she has darker/black eyebrows. Even that raised some conspiracy theories lol.

Sera's muscles change all the time. There are picture where she's ripped af and other where she's all kawaii with no definition at all. And btw her skin tone changes all the time yet nobody talks about it.


Regarding AI, nitro said he tried using it in the past but wasn't happy with the result. There are AI image detection tools online, I tried using a few on some images and they generally say the images are human made (this tools are dodgy af and wouldn't trust their result anyway). Nitro offered to pass the image source file on discord to whoever wanted to check it and their hundreds of layers (AI creates a single blob without any layer), so if you're interested in checking try asking for it.

very nice and concise. Absolutely agree with Sera being inconsistent because i ranted about this when talking about Erin. I wonder if a certain Schizo will address any of your points at all or if he's going to keep goalpost-moving from "nitrolith is addicted to blacked, and therefore, art is A.I" to "art is A.I because he is catering to the blacked crowd" to some other nonsense.

 

[PetrusSanctus]

very nice and concise. Absolutely agree with Sera being inconsistent because i ranted about this when talking about Erin. I wonder if a certain Schizo will address any of your points at all or if he's going to keep goalpost-moving from "nitrolith is addicted to blacked, and therefore, art is A.I" to "art is A.I because he is catering to the blacked crowd" to some other nonsense.

Look above his post, there is nothing new to address

 

[Birdnman993]

all the people cheering for erin's destruction are ill. Is it too much to wish for erin redemption arc? This narrative is vile.

It makes you think about the level of sadism of some people and how they want to justify it, the goddess of this game is a good representation of them.

 

[sheez]

Totally human made, guys. Just ignore additional toes.

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[sheez]

Cgs with completely different artstyles released in the same update.
Guess which image was made by AI.

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Likely they're both. Just one of them is full on AI generated. And the other AI assisted.

 

[PetrusSanctus]

Totally human made, guys. Just ignore additional toes.

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Cgs with completely different artstyles released in the same update.
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Likely they're both. Just one of them is full on AI generated. And the other AI assisted.

AI defenders are seething, prepare for the screeching my guy.

If he would have admitted the AI usage from the beginning and stopped using the filter excuse maybe I wouldn't be that annoyed with Nitrolith.

 

[Wriker117]

For some reason whenever i open the game it just opens to a black screen, any idea how i can fix this?

 

[PetrusSanctus]

For some reason whenever i open the game it just opens to a black screen, any idea how i can fix this?

Hmn, what's your renpy and joiplay version?

 

[anonsuit]

to be honest to me this looks like a mixture of lightning and artist progression, his style is obliviously not the same as he had begun, so changes are obviously happening. but to me he getting a more "natural" skin color is better than the grayish alien skin one he had. if you are the kind of person that complains about those tone shifts you have some SERIOUS mental problems.

to me in my mind mars was always presented as a dark skinned person. nor a full black. and in the darkest pictures presented a few post ago. to me still he looks dark skinned but not full black. he still looks lighter in daylight scenes and darker in night scenes.

in short, stop with the riceism.

as for the AI thing, if he is training his own AI with his art I see no problem with that. this can bring some undesired results but the artist is the final hand that approve the drawing that is being made. if the dick looks larger of the characters look weird in a way, remember that the artist in the end was the one that made the choice to approve it.

 

[PetrusSanctus]

to be honest to me this looks like a mixture of lightning and artist progression, his style is obliviously not the same as he had begun, so changes are obviously happening. but to me he getting a more "natural" skin color is better than the grayish alien skin one he had. if you are the kind of person that complains about those tone shifts you have some SERIOUS mental problems.

to me in my mind mars was always presented as a dark skinned person. nor a full black. and in the darkest pictures presented a few post ago. to me still he looks dark skinned but not full black. he still looks lighter in daylight scenes and darker in night scenes.

in short, stop with the riceism.

as for the AI thing, if he is training his own AI with his art I see no problem with that. this can bring some undesired results but the artist is the final hand that approve the drawing that is being made. if the dick looks larger of the characters look weird in a way, remember that the artist in the end was the one that made the choice to approve it.

Normally I would agree with you, if he'd admitted and was honest that he wanted to change Mars look too completely look like the gyaru stereotype, and had to use AI to make his work easier, I would be quiet.

But time after time, he denied the use of AI and excused the filter for Mars changes.

I seen the filter comparison, any other characters besides mars were still the same tone, but like they were under the night.

But Mars completely changed his look, He tried to say that Sera who is darker than Mars was also affected, but honestly, she wasn't.

 

[anonsuit]

Normally I would agree with you, if he'd admitted and was honest that he wanted to change Mars look too completely look like the gyaru stereotype, and had to use AI to make his work easier, I would be quiet.

But time after time, he denied the use of AI and excused the filter for Mars changes.

I seen the filter comparison, any other characters besides mars were still the same tone, but like they were under the night.

But Mars completely changed his look, He tried to say that Sera who is darker than Mars was also affected, but honestly, she wasn't.

i honestly cant blame him for lying to people that do not deserve the truth. the only people that post about these things are the people that care. but a person like me for example. that does not care about AI or skin tones.would simply not post.

I would lie about AI usage in order to prevent some bitching. if i was not such a detrimentally honest man. so i understand why he would deny the claims.

like I said I do not care. it still looks good, it is still made by the author. that is enough for me.

 

[GourmetChef]

Someone pls post the new CG update that's on the patreon

 

[Wriker117]

Hmn, what's your renpy and joiplay version?

how do i check that, im pretty new to all of this