VN Ren'Py Hillside [v0.15.1] [DarkBlue]

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TheCrimsonRevenger

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I mostly agree with everything Pristis.Microdon said, but respectfully disagree on one point: I do still think Charlotte's a misandrist. All the explanations laid out explain WHY she's a misandrist, but don't change the premise that she is one. She has an irrational blanket fear/hatred of men. It's almost the textbook definition of misandry. We can sympathize with the grisly traumas that turned her into a misandrist and hope that her dealings with the MC will help her rise above her blanket prejudice against the Y chromosome....but I sort of forsee any romance option other than HER just ultimately reinforcing her feelings.

Go after her daughters, and she'll see you as a sexual predator who exploited their vulnerability and her hospitality. Go after her sister, and you explicitly violated her instructions, betrayed her trust and possibly endangered her daughter by allowing yourself the distraction.

Sure that last part's technically just as true if you romance her but nobody looks to women for logical consistency, amirite fellaz? ;)

Of course actually SAVING her daughters could neatly offset the downsides of romancing someone other than her. I suppose it depends on how it all plays out. But other than that, good take :)
 
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Another pearl in the desert ^^

I guess it will need 5 more years until the game is somewhere close to be finished :ROFLMAO: But I enjoyed the 7 chapters that are available now. Let's see if we get a nude scene of Emma before the end of 2021. But I admit, besides the unusual and great setting, I like the darker features in this game :devilish:
 
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Hi, TheCrimsonRevenger
I’m pleased that you answered.

We may discuss about Charlotte for too long and not come to a common opinion that satisfies everyone. They say many men, many minds. Only the author knows about her, her character, her thoughts, feelings, fears… What is she hides from everyone, what is she afraid to admit even to herself? All of us have our own skeletons in the cupboard... And we are just at the beginning of our journey in knowing the real Charlotte. She will trust us and tell us what really happened to her, how she experienced it. It will be a very intimate conversation (I mean not in a sexual / erotic sense), she did not tell anyone about it, maybe she didn't tell even to her sister. It is very difficult to talk about this, people do not even want to admit to themselves – because it’s psychological protection. I think, Charlotte should have some kind of emotional distress when she will talk about this to us or someone, who understand her, who has already experienced this… Until then, we will be lost at ours guesses and construct our own thoughts into whole theories. I do not exclude the possibility that my conclusions are wrong. I think HillsideVN has a few surprises and different events in store for us that will take our breath away. We just have to wait...

About possible relationships with other ladies (Suzi, Lucy, Emma and other possible girls) Charlotte, of course, will behave extremely aggressively towards the MC. She will blame him, she will ensure that the MC never meets his chosen lady again in his life. You noted that correctly, TheCrimsonRevenger; I absolutely agree with you. ;) Charlotte will definitely need some time to get used to it. I suppose we will need to assure Charlotte that nothing bad happens to her dear girls. Maybe she will need a year, two, five, ten years, and perhaps she will never get used to it - human nature is a very subtle and strange thing. You will never know a person as well as you know yourself... In this regard, Charlotte will be a key figure in the progress of relationships with any lady of her family, even her colleagues at work (possibly)

Thanks again for your answer :)
 
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TheCrimsonRevenger said:
I mostly agree with everything Pristis.Microdon said, but respectfully disagree on one point: I do still think Charlotte's a misandrist. All the explanations laid out explain WHY she's a misandrist, but don't change the premise that she is one. She has an irrational blanket fear/hatred of men. It's almost the textbook definition of misandry.
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Irrational huh? You think so?

While one can argue that all fears are irrational, I really don't think her distrust of men is irrational at all...really...to her, given her past.
 
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Pristis.Microdon said:
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She will trust us and tell us what really happened to her, how she experienced it. It will be a very intimate conversation (I mean not in a sexual / erotic sense), she did not tell anyone about it, maybe she didn't tell even to her sister. It is very difficult to talk about this, people do not even want to admit to themselves – because it’s psychological protection.
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I am getting some Luna DeLuca vibes here...:unsure:
 
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Maviarab said:
Irrational huh? You think so?

While one can argue that all fears are irrational, I really don't think her distrust of men is irrational at all...really...to her, given her past.
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I would argue that fear is not necessarily irrational, but phobia is. There is a difference. People conflate the two but a phobia is an irrational fear (in your DNA, experienced/learned, or from social situations) which causes paralysis of the mind/body when the situation occurs. Fear in general could be unresolved trauma based on passed experience which you are in a heightened awareness of your situations, but the fear does not prevent you from going into those situations (which we have with Charlotte, going into public and men). I mean if she had a pure phobia, she never would have left the house and gone to the event with the dude that beat her, she just overcame her fear (which was not irrational, earlier bathroom scene), and prepared to ensure it did not happen again by bringing the MC.

Sorry - just pointing out a different view. I love psychology so different views are fun. I have a phobia of being buried alive. It is absolutely irrational, never have happened, never experienced, etc. But I don't cave explore, don't go underground often because of it, don't go into tight places. Again - that is irrational. I also have a fear of screwing up my knee again (ruptured 3 ligaments in my knee - i.e. catastrophic blowout of my knee). So I take precautions when I exercise/weight lift and wear a knee brace.

Basically what I am saying is fear is mostly a learned thing, and can be overcome with preparation. Phobia is irrational, paralyzing, and can be only overcome with lots of training/work.
 
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mordred93 said:
I would argue that fear is not necessarily irrational, but phobia is.
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I would argue one and the same.
Sorry - just pointing out a different view. I love psychology so different views are fun. I have a phobia of being buried alive. It is absolutely irrational, never have happened, never experienced, etc. But I don't cave explore, don't go underground often because of it, don't go into tight places. Again - that is irrational. I also have a fear of screwing up my knee again (ruptured 3 ligaments in my knee - i.e. catastrophic blowout of my knee). So I take precautions when I exercise/weight lift and wear a knee brace.
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No need to be sorry for incorrectly trying to correct me.

You don't have a phobia of being buried alive, you have a fear of it and as you say, it's irrational especially given you've never experienced it. As for you knee, you say a fear but providing you don't do anything to intentionally mess it up again, is that also not an irrational fear?
Basically what I am saying is fear is mostly a learned thing, and can be overcome with preparation. Phobia is irrational, paralyzing, and can be only overcome with lots of training/work.
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If you were scared of fire...would that be a phobia or a fear? Can you overcome a fear of being burned alive by preperation? Fear is not always a learned thing. My step-father was paranoid and scared (feared) of many things that were unlikely to ever happen and he never experienced a single one of them. My mother has a fear of dying in her sleep....or would you say that was a phobia? Is a fear of making a mistake, disappointing your peers, the unknown....actually fears or phobia's? Are they all equally irrational?

You are right though, fun to dscuss and pyschology is fun, however, a phobia actually is a fear and the two are extremely interchangeable depending on the context.
 
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Maviarab said:
I would argue one and the same.

No need to be sorry for incorrectly trying to correct me.

You don't have a phobia of being buried alive, you have a fear of it and as you say, it's irrational especially given you've never experienced it. As for you knee, you say a fear but providing you don't do anything to intentionally mess it up again, is that also not an irrational fear?

If you were scared of fire...would that be a phobia or a fear? Can you overcome a fear of being burned alive by preperation? Fear is not always a learned thing. My step-father was paranoid and scared (feared) of many things that were unlikely to ever happen and he never experienced a single one of them. My mother has a fear of dying in her sleep....or would you say that was a phobia? Is a fear of making a mistake, disappointing your peers, the unknown....actually fears or phobia's? Are they all equally irrational?

You are right though, fun to dscuss and pyschology is fun, however, a phobia actually is a fear and the two are extremely interchangeable depending on the context.
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I would say (about my knee) that it is not irrational, but it is a fear, thus I ensure i dont mess it up again by taking preparations.

The biggest thing I see as a difference between a phobia and fear is what it does do the person who has it. A fear is not paralyzing like a phobia is. You are indicating that they are the same, I am more saying they are on a scale. A fear is something that you recognize but a phobia is something you cannot overcome without lots of help.

You mention fire, which most people are afraid of, and because it is in our DNA or whatever. However most people can overcome their fear. Some people cannot, and when they see fire run away, sit in a corner and piss themselves. That is the difference between a fear and a phobia.
 
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I would say (about my knee) that it is not irrational, but it is a fear, thus I ensure i dont mess it up again by taking preparations.

The biggest thing I see as a difference between a phobia and fear is what it does do the person who has it. A fear is not paralyzing like a phobia is. You are indicating that they are the same, I am more saying they are on a scale. A fear is something that you recognize but a phobia is something you cannot overcome without lots of help.

You mention fire, which most people are afraid of, and because it is in our DNA or whatever. However most people can overcome their fear. Some people cannot, and when they see fire run away, sit in a corner and piss themselves. That is the difference between a fear and a phobia.
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you might have something out there:unsure:
i am a homophobe - when i see a homo, i sit in a corner and piss myself:HideThePain:
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Irrational huh? You think so?

While one can argue that all fears are irrational, I really don't think her distrust of men is irrational at all...really...to her, given her past.
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She had three nightmare experiences with men. Four if you count her baby daddy abandoning her but I don't think that should be in the same league as the other three experiences.

And then a lifetime's worth of the usual clumsy attempts at flirting every attractive woman experiences. We can safely dismiss that one under the category of "1st World Problems" though. Hell, most women attractive enough to receive that attention like it, as evidenced by the fact that once they get old enough to no longer receive that attention they complain about how much they miss it. Jessica Valenti's probably the most infamous example of that one.

I'll save you the wasted time and energy of googling her: It's all the patriarchy's fault.

Like I said. 1st World Problems.

So back to Charlotte. Let's just take the three nightmare experiences she had with men. Do you really think that justifies her hatred and fear of any man she meets?

If she had three nightmare experiences with a black person, would you then say her blanket fear/hate of black people was perfectly rational? Or would you simply label her racist without any of the equivocating we do when labeling her misandrist? Is one 'ist' somehow less distasteful than the other?

Again...i sympathize with why Charlotte thinks and feels the way she does. But it is irrational. It is unfair. And it's a great character flaw that makes for a story that has kept us all coming back to an Pornographic VN that has been real skimpy on the porno.
 
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Again...i sympathize with why Charlotte thinks and feels the way she does. But it is irrational. It is unfair. And it's a great character flaw that makes for a story that has kept us all coming back to an Pornographic VN that has been real skimpy on the porno.
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That's because this is NOT pornographic VN. It is an Adult Visual Novel. It is the difference between watching a move that has sex and watching porn. In the latter, sex is the main (potentially only) core of of the story, in the previous one it is just one possible element of many others. In fact, Adults VNs do not even need to have sex.
 
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