Dessolos
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so you are saying you are going to yank everyone's pizzle. You damn Pizzle yanker
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The MC meets Agent Fox shortly after catching Johno, and his reasoning for not telling her is revealed:
- He thinks Fox trusts the legal system too much.
- He wants to secure the photos before corrupt law enforcement makes them disappear.
- Fox is focused on the wider criminal network, while MC’s priority is protecting Charlotte and her family. He fears Jason will escape justice again if he leaves it to Fox.
- He is willing to act outside the law if necessary, while Fox is not. Involving her could hold him back and even put him at risk if she knows too much.
And he doesn’t tell Charlotte because he doesn’t want to upset her further. She’s still struggling with trauma and often turns to alcohol to cope. It wouldn’t take much for her to fall apart completely.
I think you've overdone it with the amount of alcohol in the game. Considering how much Charlotte drinks (and not just drinks, she drinks VODKA, no snacks), she should be wasted almost all the time. However, she acts like she's sober, which is simply impossible considering the above.
Let's face it, Charlotte is portrayed as an alcoholic in the game. So I think it would be a good idea to reduce the amount of alcohol she drinks to make it more believable.
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I mean you do build tolerance over time functioning alcoholics are a thing for a reason
The thing is, her everyday behavior doesn't make her look like an alcoholic. And considering how much she drinks, she is an alcoholic.
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Some people have a higher tolerance for alcohol than others, especially if they've been doing it for a long time. Which I suspect is the case with Charlotte, we see that she drinks until she literally passes out.
I understand why she drinks as she does to try and forget even for a little while, after what she's been through. The MC may even need to encourage her to get some help with her drinking once things are dealt with. But that's a way off yet.
Look at her in everyday life: she drives a car, she takes care of her family, she works. Her friends and colleagues don't see the signs of alcoholism. Even her sister doesn't see it (she knows Charlotte drinks, but she doesn't know how much, and since she doesn't see the consequences, she doesn't worry as much as she should). Her hands don't shake in the morning. She looks great. She plays sports and can easily outrun the MC. Yes, she is in better shape than the MC (not counting physical strength and combat skills). Years of constant drinking of strong alcohol must have left their mark. But they don't. So there's a discrepancy there.
Charlotte is shown in the game as a responsible person and a good mother (albeit with excesses in terms of overprotection (however, she had her reasons)), so it is unlikely that she drank herself to the point of alcoholism. I think it would be right to bring the visuals in line with this.
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I don't see Charlotte drinking all day, do you? She drinks when she has to deal with something particularly stressful, as a coping mechanism. We do see her wake up with a hangover a few times, so she absolutely does feel it. Whether or not you would see it on her in terms of appearance would also depend on other factors. Such as does she take care of herself otherwise, with diet and exercise? Yes, we see that she does.
Which happens almost every day, let's be honest.
I can only remember the shower scene with Lucy (and even then there was no emphasis on the hangover).
Look at the size of the vodka bottle (it's clearly more than half a liter), the volumes Charlotte drinks in an evening. I think no matter how used she is to alcohol, she must be completely drunk. And she's still capable of having meaningful conversations after that.
I do not claim to be the ultimate truth, this is just my opinion, how I see what is happening in the game. The developer may not agree with my point of view, other players too. I simply spoke out on the topic, since it was touched upon in the discussion.
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That's why s/he said "functioning alcoholic" - the very thing is that it's hard to tell they're alcoholics because they are able to go about their daily routine functioning as "normal".
That aside though, Charlotte drinks a lot of vodka, but I don't remember ever thinking it's enough for her to be drunk all the time (especially with a high tolerance built up, as others have commented). There are a couple of times when she overdoes it and ends up pretty much blacking out, but that's after she binges too much of it, which she doesn't do every day, and I don't remember her drinking much during the day, only the evenings at home, so she's hardly going out driving or operating other heavy machinery at that point.
It's just hard to think that long-term consumption of large quantities of strong alcohol should not leave noticeable traces.
Come on, we're talking about vodka. If it were wine or beer, I would still believe it. But if you drink as much vodka in an evening as Charlotte did (and she drank quite a lot, and without snacks)... She would not only no longer be able to have meaningful conversations with other people after that, but even walk normally.
The game mentioned wine supplies, but when Charlotte drank outside of company, we were only shown vodka.
She only passed out a couple of times (and even then it happened off-screen), and the rest of the times she continued to act as if she hadn't drunk anything.
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Speaking of Charlotte and alcoholism wasn't there times where she drinks and doesn't get drunk or passed out too? I always saw her not quite an alcoholics but borderline one. I don't know much about the subject but isn't it they aren't able to just drink casually it's either all or nothing when they drink?
The volume she supposedly drinks , I never saw that as she drinks that amount everytime she does drink her self drunk. I more or less always figured 1 bottle was probably 2 - 3 drinking Sessions. But this is me assuming things as I don't know much about the subject like I said above.
But since I swore Ive seen her drink casually and don't know much about the subject. It's hard for me to see her being able to control her self and sometimes drink casually / in moderation and other times full on benders. The few times she did drink her self to the point she passed out I figured that was a recent thing and not something that was normal for her. Otherwise I think Lucy would of mentioned it to the MC cause surely she would of caught on before she hired the MC.
The volume she supposedly drinks , I never saw that as she drinks that amount everytime she does drink her self drunk. I more or less always figured 1 bottle was probably 2 - 3 drinking Sessions. But this is me assuming things as I don't know much about the subject like I said above.
But since I swore Ive seen her drink casually and don't know much about the subject. It's hard for me to see her being able to control her self and sometimes drink casually / in moderation and other times full on benders. The few times she did drink her self to the point she passed out I figured that was a recent thing and not something that was normal for her. Otherwise I think Lucy would of mentioned it to the MC cause surely she would of caught on before she hired the MC.
Don't you remember how she would gulp down a glass of vodka and immediately pour another one? Here both the strength of the alcohol and its quantity are important, as well as the absence of any food. Plus consistency.
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I think you're looking too hard at this. Some people (even those you would be surprised at) can handle it, and the more you drink, the more tolerant of it you become (generally speaking). Ultimately though, it's not something that's important in terms of the story, just like showing whether or not she snacks between pours, or resets with a tactical puke, etc. is not important. We don't see everything, only what's needed to tell the story.
Maybe.
It just seems to me that the developer overdid it in this matter, that's all. This is what makes me look closely and doubt. Charlotte was shown drinking vodka like water too often and too much.
As we remember, the MC also had problems with alcohol in the past. I think, seeing the scale of the problem, he should have taken this issue seriously.
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Well like TonyMurray I always assumed we don't see everything for one and it has been awhile since I played that part of the story. But just going off more or less I remember how I felt and what I can recall. But her gulping them down quickly I assumed was more a recent thing not something that she did in the past because of how she is living with a man in her house. Cause if I recall it showed something like 4 or 5 bottles. I always assumed that was over time and not a recent deveolopment otherwise I think it would of been more obvious she was doing so , especially to the MC.
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Yeah but we aren't shown every detail cause it isn't important. Just cause it is shown once doesn't mean it happens everytime to me and I kind of disagree with we are shown how much she drinks. Cause it clearly shows way to many bottles for it to be accurate. Which is why im under the assumption when she drinks alot that quickly all of sudden it's a recent thing because of the MC living with her. While the amount of bottles to me feels like it was overtime not in the span of a few days.