VN Ren'Py How Hard Can It Really Be? [v0.6.1] [Waterthose]

[free_hk]

Noticed a bunch of badly-cropped character sprites in this update... Not good seeing the ends of characters' hair and dresses getting cut off.

At least AI's incapabilities at rendering interlocked hands was converted into a classic meme.

 

[Waterthose]

Noticed a bunch of badly-cropped character sprites in this update... Not good seeing the ends of characters' hair and dresses getting cut off.

At least AI's incapabilities at rendering interlocked hands was converted into a classic meme.

Sadly it's the unintended effects of AI rendering (at 600x800) I'm not cropping the images, adding any more pixels say 700x800 etc will just generate a completely different image even using the same seed and still would potentially crop out details. I feel the way that I'm currently doing it is technically better than having widely varying sprite sizes. Though I can be more careful on it and also pray that AI doesn't generate hair that 'floats' like Glacia to make the cuts not as noticeable.

I do plan on reworking sprites in the future, just don't know when, that and the character designs will change when that happens due to the nature of AI.

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I'll look into changing the more egregious ones like Mushie and Glacia instead of a complete overhaul, just so you know that also means their sprite can/will be wider/taller in the future.

 

[FrozenPie1]

Hey, I'd be curious about these your/you're that you found. I've just had another quick skim through the script and didn't find them. It's one of the first things I look for and I was pretty confident I had them all. I'd be disappointed if I missed that many.

It was just one "your/you're" mixup I found so far. I'm pretty sure it wasn't at the beach party but somewhere in either the guild quests or syndicate raid. Sadly I don't know where exactly anymore. The easiest way to find it would probably be "Strg + F" with "whole word search" for "your" and check every sentence it appears ^^
And seriously, the overall quality of writing (content- and grammatical-wise) is very good, especially compared to other VNs on this site, so you shouldn't make a mountain out of a molehill

 

[Waterthose]

It was just one "your/you're" mixup I found so far. I'm pretty sure it wasn't at the beach party but somewhere in either the guild quests or syndicate raid. Sadly I don't know where exactly anymore. The easiest way to find it would probably be "Strg + F" with "whole word search" for "your" and check every sentence it appears ^^
And seriously, the overall quality of writing (content- and grammatical-wise) is very good, especially compared to other VNs on this site, so you shouldn't make a mountain out of a molehill

So did you enjoy v0.6?

 

[FrozenPie1]

So did you enjoy v0.6?

Oh yes I did and I have to say my favourite part was the syndicate raid, as it's a nice break from the "sunshine-and-rainbows-theme" of the rest of the game with some action (I found the solution with abstract fighting scenes and some situation stand-still scenes a pretty good solution by the way). Nothing against sunshine and rainbows but there's always a "too much" for everything xD.

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Otherwise for the render-quality stuff it's really good. As I sometimes do some AI-Generation myself (locally with ComfyUI and just for fun), I know some the quirks for generating AI-Pictures and the difficulties especially in terms of consistency (most noticably additional joints on fingers, changing body proportions between renders, etc.). Do you take your models and LoRas from civitai or another site?

 

[Waterthose]

Oh yes I did and I have to say my favourite part was the syndicate raid, as it's a nice break from the "sunshine-and-rainbows-theme" of the rest of the game with some action (I found the solution with abstract fighting scenes and some situation stand-still scenes a pretty good solution by the way). Nothing against sunshine and rainbows but there's always a "too much" for everything xD.

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Otherwise for the render-quality stuff it's really good. As I sometimes do some AI-Generation myself (locally with ComfyUI and just for fun), I know some the quirks for generating AI-Pictures and the difficulties especially in terms of consistency (most noticably additional joints on fingers, changing body proportions between renders, etc.). Do you take your models and LoRas from civitai or another site?

Glad you enjoyed it! You can see why I was stuck rendering right? And yes most LoRas like meme ones are from Civitai.

 

[PerpetuallyAmiss]

Been broadly enjoying it but got some grievances ranging from quite legitimate to nit picky.

The mentions of growth, with out ever really being demonstrated, and the apparently hyper perceptive people noticing a bust change of 1-2cm on their second time seeing some one at a glance.

The penis again supposing growing but renders generally placing it between 4-6 inches some times 7 but perspective and scale change a lot so I'm not how big its even meant to be other than I'd not call it big 4/5 times.

The hyper scene felt actively hostile and silly with such gems as
"I don't want to have sex with such a large dick",
"It'd be hard to even masturbate with such a large dick",
"This scene is very graphic", "No normal pussy could accept a cock of this size",
"This is so wrong",
"Its a bit sad that my first time had to be like this",
"I'm so sorry April *crys*",
"I'm so glad the dev doesn't like this" (couldn't have guessed).

And how big was this abnormal, grotesque, degenerate cock? Like 9-10 inches, maybe 11 with angle of bulge. That's HUGE to be fair especially with that girth; but the bulge and narrative was way out of proportion while damn near insulting me for preferring bigger than myself (not that hard) for voyeurism.

I'd just cut the cock growth narratively and settle on a consistent 6-7 inches. (Which is big, fight me)

Now for my nit pick, the cannon yelling each time it fires. How'd that blonde lady enjoy her time at the beach, not comment on it, and even sleep with it supposedly yelling the whole time. I'll call it nit picky cuz I didn't think of it til later, but also I missed opportunity i think for the blonde to complain about it and demand it be quieter for the MC to apologize and than have the lazer to fire again in the background in small letters. Addresses the inconsistency and is a bit amusing.

 

[Waterthose]

Been broadly enjoying it but got some grievances ranging from quite legitimate to nit picky.

The mentions of growth, with out ever really being demonstrated, and the apparently hyper perceptive people noticing a bust change of 1-2cm on their second time seeing some one at a glance.

The penis again supposing growing but renders generally placing it between 4-6 inches some times 7 but perspective and scale change a lot so I'm not how big its even meant to be other than I'd not call it big 4/5 times.

The hyper scene felt actively hostile and silly with such gems as
"I don't want to have sex with such a large dick",
"It'd be hard to even masturbate with such a large dick",
"This scene is very graphic", "No normal pussy could accept a cock of this size",
"This is so wrong",
"Its a bit sad that my first time had to be like this",
"I'm so sorry April *crys*",
"I'm so glad the dev doesn't like this" (couldn't have guessed).

And how big was this abnormal, grotesque, degenerate cock? Like 9-10 inches, maybe 11 with angle of bulge. That's HUGE to be fair especially with that girth; but the bulge and narrative was way out of proportion while damn near insulting me for preferring bigger than myself (not that hard) for voyeurism.

I'd just cut the cock growth narratively and settle on a consistent 6-7 inches. (Which is big, fight me)

Now for my nit pick, the cannon yelling each time it fires. How'd that blonde lady enjoy her time at the beach, not comment on it, and even sleep with it supposedly yelling the whole time. I'll call it nit picky cuz I didn't think of it til later, but also I missed opportunity i think for the blonde to complain about it and demand it be quieter for the MC to apologize and than have the lazer to fire again in the background in small letters. Addresses the inconsistency and is a bit amusing.

Fair points, I just like minor growth and well AI generating a different size cock basically every other render doesn't really help. She does only have two more "growth" stages left where it's going to be the same from then on out.

For your second point, I was thinking that she was very far away so they couldn't hear it. But your scenario sounds pretty funny too.

Edit#1

Right there IS another hyper scene in v0.6 but it's more 'fun'.

 

[FrozenPie1]

Waterthose
Question content-wise: Will we see a more... "furry" monster girl in the future?
After all Celia said she would pick up and nurse a street kitten
Or do we have that already and I forgot it again

 

[Waterthose]

Waterthose
Question content-wise: Will we see a more... "furry" monster girl in the future?
After all Celia said she would pick up and nurse a street kitten

It's about something in the waaaaaaaay future, but isn't a monster girl. I'm into more 'human' monster girls so very doubtful to see more monster like ones.

 

[FrozenPie1]

Sorry but I have to ask:

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[Waterthose]

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Didn't you say you were done D:<

 

[FrozenPie1]

Didn't you say you were done D:<

Where did I say that?

I said:

Still not completly done, it's a huge update after all

Wasn't able to finish yesterday as it got too late sadly

 

[Waterthose]

Where did I say that?

I said:


Wasn't able to finish yesterday as it got too late sadly

How about I say I'll fix it and not do it. (Okay probably will fix it cuz I cant unsee it)

 

[FrozenPie1]

Now I'm done with the Chapter xD

How about I say I'll fix it and not do it. (Okay probably will fix it cuz I cant unsee it)

Yeah, that's a general problem with AI images. If something's wrong it's either really big or really small but the moment you spot the small you can't unsee it anymore ^^

 

[Waterthose]

Now I'm done with the Chapter xD


Yeah, that's a general problem with AI images. If something's wrong it's either really big or really small but the moment you spot the small you can't unsee it anymore ^^

Okay, now that you seen it all, how was v0.6

 

[FrozenPie1]

Okay, now that you seen it all, how was v0.6

Mostly the same as I have written here. Personally I think on one side it's nice to have all LIs together in an event but it can also lead to quite some scene overload, especially if they're not all together in one frame and more like a diashow with very much text to describe the more complex interactions -> They're there together but also split apart (don't know how to describe it better). I know that's the limitation of image generation with many characters and I'm still surprised that you got for characters together in one image without major inconsistencies
Maybe you could generate small (big scaled down) sprites (with or without chibi-version) with transparent backgrounds and spread them over the beach interacting with each other. That would give a much better feel and impression that everyone is there at once. On that note: Maybe decouple character generation from the backgrounds? So generate the characters with a blank background and in another step change the background to something you want to have (there exist workflows for that AFAIK)

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Welp, I think that's it so far. If I think of anything more I will add it here or make an additional post

 

[jackbauer24]

Great update, nice work Dev!

Minor error: The new render of Celia lying on the beach now appears during the futa x futa scene with April.

 

[Waterthose]

Great update, nice work Dev!

Minor error: The new render of Celia lying on the beach now appears during the futa x futa scene with April.

God dammit, I knew I overlooked something. The only render that I didn't change my naming convention for because I used it super early. Might actually push a quick bugfix patch because it'll be too confusing for new readers.

Edit #1
I'll try to fix more things before putting out a bugfix patch.

 

[The Loli Lover]

How the fuck is the spreading render made? It alludes me how people can get good AI renders. I do art, and I've tried manipulating AI to get references for some of my work (especially for hands or such), and I never get stuff with pretty much perfect anatomy