How intrusive are the games in your real life ?

[Asia Argento]

Really?
I think that sounds quite close to how pimps live their lives in RL.

 

[Adabelitoo]

That sounds like some kind of self-insert as the woman. I don't think that's true for the majority of straight men. Straight men get turned on by the naked female body and the sex act, in and out of pussy, fantasizing they're the one fucking that hot chick. That's the focus of the attention, not some woman self-insert or "pleasuring ma woman" kind of feeling. Certainly it can be for some, and seeing that you pleasure the woman can enhance it for many people, but to say that's what watching porn is about for a straight men... sounds like a very wholesome take, or a desire to be a woman.

You got that all messed up. I didn't said that straight males self-insert into the woman. I said that straigh man get turned on by watching the woman, the naked female body and the sex act like you said, listening her moans and watching how her face melts for the pleasure while her tits bounce at the mercy of the guy fucking her.

Personally I do get turn on by "pleasuring ma woman" like you said. I like watching a woman getting the fuck of her life because her man is the only one who can show her what's good. Now thing is, I don't fantasize I'm the guy in those videos, it isn't "ma woman", it's just "a woman". I don't know if most straight man self-insert, I wouldn't say that's the case and I wouldn't deny it either. To each their own.

 

[Alcahest]

You got that all messed up. I didn't said that straight males self-insert into the woman. I said that straigh man get turned on by watching the woman, the naked female body and the sex act like you said, listening her moans and watching how her face melts for the pleasure while her tits bounce at the mercy of the guy fucking her.

Personally I do get turn on by "pleasuring ma woman" like you said. I like watching a woman getting the fuck of her life because her man is the only one who can show her what's good. Now thing is, I don't fantasize I'm the guy in those videos, it isn't "ma woman", it's just "a woman". I don't know if most straight man self-insert, I wouldn't say that's the case and I wouldn't deny it either. To each their own.

What you said was "... with a straight guy, the focus of attention is the woman's pleasure ...". I mean, it's a direct quote. And I'm saying it's not, for the majority. If it is, it's news to me.

And then I said, if that's the focus of your attention, it sounds like your self-inserting as the woman, or desire to be a woman. If that's not the case, and you don't self-insert as the man, but like watching the woman receiving pleasure by "her man", then it's... a cuck thing? Voyerism? In any case, it would surprise me if that is the norm for straight males watching porn.

 

[Adabelitoo]

What you said was "... with a straight guy, the focus of attention is the woman's pleasure ...". I mean, it's a direct quote. And I'm saying it's not, for the majority. If it is, it's news to me.

And then I said, if that's the focus of your attention, it sounds like your self-inserting as the woman, or desire to be a woman. If that's not the case, and you don't self-insert as the man, but like watching the woman receiving pleasure by "her man", then it's... a cuck thing? Voyerism? In any case, it would surprise me if that is the norm for straight males watching porn.

Yeah, I said that and it's not that hard to understand. Straight males wants to the woman getting fuck, they don't want to see the guy's face or heard the guy moan. They want to see the woman, feeling pleasure, getting fuck. It isn't a wholesome thing or an act of kindness, it isn't like "I'm glad she's feeling good", it's like "Yeah bitch take that!".

It isn't a cuck thing, it isn't voyerism either, it's just a guy watching porn on the internet, the same as you while playing any game in this site. If you want to self-insert somewhere then okay, to each their own, be happy, but at the end of the day your dick isn't getting wet in any pussy, you're just a dude jerking off behind a monitor, the same as me, the same as everyone in this forum.

 

[Alcahest]

Yeah, I said that and it's not that hard to understand. Straight males wants to the woman getting fuck, they don't want to see the guy's face or heard the guy moan. They want to see the woman, feeling pleasure, getting fuck. It isn't a wholesome thing or an act of kindness, it isn't like "I'm glad she's feeling good", it's like "Yeah bitch take that!".

It isn't a cuck thing, it isn't voyerism either, it's just a guy watching porn on the internet, the same as you while playing any game in this site. If you want to self-insert somewhere then okay, to each their own, be happy, but at the end of the day your dick isn't getting wet in any pussy, you're just a dude jerking off behind a monitor, the same as me, the same as everyone in this forum.

Yes, straight males' focus is on seeing the woman getting fucked (by themselves if they self-insert). Somehow, you think this equals "focus of attention is the woman's pleasure". Fine, whatever floats your boat man. But when you say it's like "Yeah bitch take that!" and you don't self-insert... well, back to my previous answers.

Again, whatever floats your boat. I'm just trying to understand.

 

[Adabelitoo]

Yes, straight males' focus is on seeing the woman getting fucked (by themselves if they self-insert). Somehow, you think this equals "focus of attention is the woman's pleasure". Fine, whatever floats your boat man.

Again, whatever floats your boat. I'm just trying to understand.

Yeah, and you're clearly failing at that or you'd at least drop the "self-insert" part. Which face is on screen 99% of the time? The man or the woman's face? Which body is on screen 99% of the time? The man or the woman's body? In a POV blowjob I want to see the woman giving head, not a dick being sucked, and I like POV because the view is great, not because that's my view. If you want to think that's your view and that's your dick, then again, be happy.

Not gonna lie, at this point I'm mostly following this conversation with you because I'm having fun. When I was a kid I enjoyed telling the other kids that Santa Claus wasn't real, and I totally recognize that was mean, but at the end of the day Santa Claus isn't real and people is just jerking behind a monitor.

 

[Alcahest]

Yeah, and you're clearly failing at that or you'd at least drop the "self-insert" part. Which face is on screen 99% of the time? The man or the woman's face? Which body is on screen 99% of the time? The man or the woman's body? In a POV blowjob I want to see the woman giving head, not a dick being sucked, and I like POV because the view is great, not because that's my view. If you want to think that's your view and that's your dick, then again, be happy.

Not gonna lie, at this point I'm mostly following this conversation with you because I'm having fun. When I was a kid I enjoyed telling the other kids that Santa Claus wasn't real, and I totally recognize that was mean, but at the end of the day Santa Claus isn't real and people is just jerking behind a monitor.

You think you must show the man more than the woman for males to be able to self-insert? Clearly, you are the one who doesn't understand.

Whatever. I don't think you know yourself. And that's also fine.

 

[Adabelitoo]

You think you must show the man more than the woman for males to be able to self-insert? Clearly, you are the one who doesn't understand.

Whatever. I don't think you know yourself. And that's also fine.

I never said that. I never even talked about self-insertion, it was you the one who bring that up. I'm gonna enjoy telling you that Santa isn't real as long as you keep bringing the subject though

You know which one is the not funny part? The fact that, excepting the self-insertion part, you and I get turned on by the same thing and we are saying pretty much the same thing, but you're failing so hard at understanding any answer that isn't "Yes, you're right" that you can't see that and keep repeating the same things over and over again.

 

[Alcahest]

I never said that. I never even talked about self-insertion, it was you the one who bring that up. I'm gonna enjoy telling you that Santa isn't real as long as you keep bringing the subject though

You know which one is the not funny part? The fact that, excepting the self-insertion part, you and I get turned on by the same thing and we are saying pretty much the same thing, but you're failing so hard at understanding any answer that isn't "Yes, you're right" that you can't see that and keep repeating the same things over and over again.

You basically did, as you heavily implied it. But we might as well be talking different languages it seems. Have fun with your Santa.

 

[anne O'nymous]

With this logic, NTR haters wouldn't watch porn because it's full of women getting fuck by guys that aren't them.

Well, there's a thread about that somewhere, probably in off topic now.

What you said was "... with a straight guy, the focus of attention is the woman's pleasure ...". I mean, it's a direct quote. And I'm saying it's not, for the majority. If it is, it's news to me.

And then I said, if that's the focus of your attention, it sounds like your self-inserting as the woman, or desire to be a woman. If that's not the case, and you don't self-insert as the man, but like watching the woman receiving pleasure by "her man", then it's... a cuck thing? Voyerism? In any case, it would surprise me if that is the norm for straight males watching porn.

I don't know if it's the majority or not, and in fact it doesn't matters here, but you clearly missed the point by few light years.

If really you can jack off to a silent girl who's clearly bored while being fucked, good for you, but personally I prefer her to show some signs of pleasure.
Not because I self insert myself as her, but because how can I be excited by a bored girl ? How, the fact to see a dumb guy unable to give at least a bit of pleasure to the girl he fuck, can be exciting ? "Oh yeah guy, empty your balls in this totally insensible girl, who's praying for this to end as soon as possible because she's so bored that she's near to fall asleep"... Yeah, not really what can turn me on.
But, no, it's not cucking, and I'm not expecting to see a bull fuck "my girl". It's just that porn is supposed to be a bit realist and, at least for me, realism is, "when you fuck, both have some pleasure", because it's what happen when I have sex. And, obviously, this apply even more when the player/viewer self insert himself as the guy. Well, I guess unless what turn him on is to have a limp small dick that cannot please a girl.

 

[anne O'nymous]

It's just like IRL.

Totally agree.

Some guys are selfish, and others have orgasms ; I let you decide who's who...

 

[woody554]

otherwise talk with the few women in this forum who are (as far as I know) mostly lesbians and tell them that her sexuality is a fetish.

you called it a fetish not me. and I'm not trying to be cute about that, but it was your reductive interpretation of my words. where as I made the point of separating sexual orientation to genetic AND imprinted parts. genetic lesbians and gays are still just as much what they were born as, but they might have acquired additional components later.

I actually talked about the porn choice face to face with a lesbian just last week, and she as well said she only watches guys doing it. I'm sure it's not for every lesbian, but even with a short googling you'll find that it's quite common.

regarding men, I used to also wave it away with categorizing them as bi, but after I listened to a sex therapist talking about the imprintation mechanism I became less convinced they are just bi without knowing it. sexual orientation is complex, and while it can be shoe-horned into neat gay-straight-bi categories for our convenience it doesn't really seem to work that way.

it's all good though. whatever rocks everyone's boats and so on.

 

[Adabelitoo]

It's just like IRL.

Some guys fuck for a ego boost and their main focus is on pleasuring the girl. And those who don't need/don't care about ego boosts fuck for their own pleasure. If she likes it - awesome. If not - also fine.

I never thought about it as an ego boost and now I can totaly see why. Although to be honest now I think in those who don't need said ego boost and it makes me wish that everyone in this world was depressed as fuck. I mean, if some people can't even care for their partner's pleasure, what can they care about? I know that some people are just selfish, but still, wow, I never thought about it that way.

you called it a fetish not me. and I'm not trying to be cute about that, but it was your reductive interpretation of my words. where as I made the point of separating sexual orientation to genetic AND imprinted parts. genetic lesbians and gays are still just as much what they were born as, but they might have acquired additional components later.

I actually talked about the porn choice face to face with a lesbian just last week, and she as well said she only watches guys doing it. I'm sure it's not for every lesbian, but even with a short googling you'll find that it's quite common.

regarding men, I used to also wave it away with categorizing them as bi, but after I listened to a sex therapist talking about the imprintation mechanism I became less convinced they are just bi without knowing it. sexual orientation is complex, and while it can be shoe-horned into neat gay-straight-bi categories for our convenience it doesn't really seem to work that way.

it's all good though. whatever rocks everyone's boats and so on.

Lesbian is a fetish for a guy who, for obvious reason, can't be lesbian. Lesbian is a sexual orientation for a woman who is, indeed, a lesbian.

I'm not saying you're lying, but I've read many times in this same forum women saying that they want more lesbian games and that they don't want to see dicks. In one hand I have your theory which IMO doesn't make sense and I never heard about it, and in the other hand I have my theory which IMO makes sense and I've seen myself. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying I don't understand it. And yeah I agree that it isn't as simple as categorizing everything into gay-straight-bi but at the same time it isn't as easy as using the words gay, loli and incest in the same sentence and call everything "a fetish" either.

 

[ririmudev]

Hmm; I'd consider the Ghengis Khan route if I had the funds, although that would be strongly countered by my inclination to avoid drama.

Well... I've worked hard over the years, and probably could do child support for 2-3 kids while still living comfortably, but the reputational damage would be a problem.

[Cough cough] anyway, a healthy separation between fantasy and reality makes sense.

 

[rk-47]

im not a serial masturbator (prolly around once a week) so when im playing i usually get upto a point where a sex scene is about to happen then save it for when i do, otherwise ill do grinding/side quests/minigames in the meantime

 

[Deleted member 1017199]

I'm wondering if any of those games affect you when you stop playing. Could be said about regular porn too. For example, I still live with my family and, after playing an incest game for the whole day, gotta say the family dinner feels a bit weird to me. So I start to question my choices.

Have you ever, in real life situations, been thinking about a game you've been playing ?

You might wanna take a break if it makes you think like that. Kinda sounds like symptoms of addiction. It shouldn't linger in your head for too long let alone make you uncomfortable during certain situations.

 

[coffeeaddicted]

Well, why do we play these games? So many reasons but none is because these games are so cool and are adventures and real games.
These are porn games and as such stimulate and lead to a climax of sorts.
The key is indeed to separate fantasy from real life because none of the games represent real life and if they do, it may as well be fucked up real life.
So if someone feels like it can not navigate in real life because porn, maybe just chill and check out for awhile. Give yourself space to disconnect from the games you playing. Also, you can never unseen things you seen so it will be part of you. Welcome perverts.

 

[khumak]

It's not different than any other form of entertainment. Sometimes I will stay up later than I should and not get as much sleep as I would have liked or something, but I do the same thing if I decide to watch a few too many episodes of Stargate or something before I go to bed.

 

[sanahtlig]

for gay people, they see an attractive male, they're aroused, and it's the same for loli lovers when they see a loli. No matter the story surrending them in the fist place.

I see this assumption a lot about lolicon. The concept of "loli" (as a genre) is a trope. The visual appearance of the characters, the way they act, and their relationship with the protagonist--all tropes, scripted in accordance with genre conventions. Outsiders assume that loli = young real-life girl. No. Because real-life girls are not tropes. They aren't designed for wish fulfillment (sexual or otherwise). Like a Hollywood movie based on a true story (e.g., the Titanic), the adaptation process has distorted the source material until it's barely recognizable. An outsider looks at a loli character and sees a young real-life girl (based on their experience in real-life). A lolicon sees a trope (based on their experience with fiction). That's likely where the disconnect stems from.

That's a long-winded way of saying "Real-life != fiction", but hopefully that adds a bit of clarity. You can probably apply the same logic more generally to other fetishes such as rape, incest, etc.

 

[ririmudev]

It's not different than any other form of entertainment. Sometimes I will stay up later than I should and not get as much sleep as I would have liked or something, but I do the same thing if I decide to watch a few too many episodes of Stargate or something before I go to bed.

Yo, I need to get back to Stargate (SG-1, and probably also Atlantis). BTW, that would work pretty well for an H-Game. Go thru the gate to the planet with catgirls, or the planet with succubi... Implementing that is on my "try-to-do-before-2070" list.