Idea for an adult game site

[Saerwen]

It completely depends on which country you are in and which country's authority is prosecuting you. However, very generally speaking, these kinds of situations result in region lock instead of jail time.

A lot of games on DLSite are illegal in other countries. But DLSite's staff are not sent to jail (yet). Actually, a lot countries in the world has made porn 100% illegal. It might surprise you, but in Korea even vanilla porn is illegal. Yes, the south one. But as far as I know no PornHub employees are currently inside Korean cells.

No, but PornHub is regularly purging unverified accounts/illegal videos.

 

[Count Morado]

No, but PornHub is regularly purging unverified account/illegal videos.

Yup. per Safe Harbor laws such at Section 230 in the US, as long as they have a system in place and maintain that system to review and remove content as necessary - they are in compliance.

 

[taiki_wata]

Your examples fail.


DLSite blocks access to certain content based upon the IP address used to access the site.


PornHub is geolocked from being viewed by people with Korean IP addresses.

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If people where the content is illegal access using VPN, they are violating the law - not DLSite or PornHub.

Yes and I've made it very clear that I know it:

very generally speaking, these kinds of situations result in region lock instead of jail time.

I literally said that it will result in region lock. My point was once you have region lock you usually at least not got sent to jail just because you host something that is illegal in another country.

 

[Count Morado]

Yes and I've made it very clear that I know it:



I literally said that it will result in region lock. My point was once you have region lock you usually at least not got sent to jail just because you host something that is illegal in another country.

Honestly though, from your replies in another thread I've figured that you have reading comprehension issue. I'll not reply to you anymore.

I will admit I missed your region lock portion. However, a region lock is proactive - not reactive. You don't get a region lock if you are caught doing something illegal. You are investigated and possibly charged. A region lock must be in place first - and very specific language involved.

Your idea that I have a reading comprehension issue is ridiculous. But hey, you do you, boo.

 

[taiki_wata]

No, but PornHub is regularly purging unverified accounts/illegal videos.

99.9% videos currently hosted by Pornhub are illegal in Korea. And probably in many Islamic countries as well.

The point is Pornhub region locks these countries (or/and these countries' ISP/DNS block Pornhub) instead of just deleting everything or sending their CEO to a foreign jail.

Your idea that I have a reading comprehension issue is ridiculous. But hey, you do you, boo.

I apologize. I was being unreasonably uncivil. Perhaps I'm the one with internet etiquette issue.

 

[anne O'nymous]

A lot of games on DLSite are illegal in other countries. But DLSite's staff are not sent to jail (yet).

Because they comply each time they are asked for.
OP want to make a platform that, without purely be dedicated to it, focus on the content that are take down everywhere else. What is the interest of such platform if he intent to comply each time he'll be asked for it? Because soon, really soon, the request will be "don't host this kind of content anymore".

It might surprise you, but in Korea even vanilla porn is illegal. Yes, the south one.

It would surprise me if I was among the loud minority who speak without knowing what they talk about... But I'm not like that.

But as far as I know no PornHub employees are currently inside Korean cells.

Reading and answering is good, but trying to understand what you've read before answering is better.

1) The issue isn't the strict legality, or illegality, of the content, but the nature of what hide, in a really small part, behind it.
2) On PornHub you do not pay by content. At most you subscribe to the whole site, what remove both the charge of incentive and the one of concealing; the site being, by definition, not responsible of the content posted by their users.
3) Due to its world wide nature, it's not PornHub that is responsible if South Korean citizens watch their content, but the citizens that voluntarily broken their country Law. If someone have to be prosecuted, it's not PornHub, it's the South Korean authorities for not enforcing their numerical borders.

 

[DoAdventures]

Hello all,

Currently we have a good band of people together on this, even made a small mock up of the website this evening. It was only me doing that and now someone far more skilled is going to look into it and make it better.

The noise isn't dying down though, and I do think based on what we have discussed, thought about, looking to implement and starting from the ground up with developers in mind, it could work. Have a look at this initial setup and come and join us on Discord, be a voice against the censorship

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[peterppp]

Due to its world wide nature, it's not PornHub that is responsible if South Korean citizens watch their content, but the citizens that voluntarily broken their country Law.

and it would be the same for this new site since it will not be located in south korea.

 

[peterppp]

Discord setup

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invite is correct but the link itself is broken

also, the discord link in your embergames site you link in this post: https://f95zone.to/threads/idea-for-an-adult-game-site.262785/post-17581908 is invalid

 

[justlooking2]

I'm not sure if that game still exist, but there was an online game with rape and disturbing content many years ago, called Sociolotron. It was running on a submodel through CCBILL if memory serves.

While searching for it just now, I just discovered it ran for 12 years, until the owner passed away:

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So, CCBILL seems pretty solid for that kind of content. The game used to have rape, murder, forced abortions, forced bdsm, forced body modifications, hence in anyone's book, illegal and very offensive content.

An advice though: Discord may not be the best place for y'all to talk about this... You may want to consider using your own chat server on invite alone, like an IRC server or something along those lines. Discord, is really NOT going to go along with your plans, and since you've posted it in here, it's pretty much guaranteed someone that disagree with those games and plans, will be reporting the channel eventually...

 

[DoAdventures]

invite is correct but the link itself is broken

also, the discord link in your embergames site you link in this post: https://f95zone.to/threads/idea-for-an-adult-game-site.262785/post-17581908 is invalid

Yes, it is just a mock up version at the moment, i knew it didn't work, but wanted to show something. There is obviously a lot of place holders at the moment too. Thank you though.

 

[DoAdventures]

I'm not sure if that game still exist, but there was an online game with rape and disturbing content many years ago, called Sociolotron. It was running on a submodel through CCBILL if memory serves.

While searching for it just now, I just discovered it ran for 12 years, until the owner passed away:

You must be registered to see the links

So, CCBILL seems pretty solid for that kind of content. The game used to have rape, murder, forced abortions, forced bdsm, forced body modifications, hence in anyone's book, illegal and very offensive content.

An advice though: Discord may not be the best place for y'all to talk about this... You may want to consider using your own chat server on invite alone, like an IRC server or something along those lines. Discord, is really NOT going to go along with your plans, and since you've posted it in here, it's pretty much guaranteed someone that disagree with those games and plans, will be reporting the channel eventually...

Very good points! I think we will need to move to another form of chat, away from Discord. I'll need to look into how to do that.

 

[peterppp]

Yes, it is just a mock up version at the moment, i knew it didn't work, but wanted to show something. There is obviously a lot of place holders at the moment too. Thank you though.

ok but there was the first part of the message too, about the discord link in the OP

Discord setup

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invite is correct but the link itself is broken.

 

[Arnav Dasari]

You know, back at the ban discussion thread I've proposed a really stupid idea:

Second of all, we'd need to set up an online shop that would act as an alternative to Steam. And you know what? F95 can become such an alternative. Instead of just a piracy site, it could offer a refuge for all the current and future banned games. It can be in the form of some separate F95-affiliated site, with a traditional shop UI etc, or it can be right here on the forums - say, the devs themselves would start the threads about their games, upload demo versions or 2-3 months old versions of their games for free, and provide the links (to that alternative processor) so you can pay them for the continuation of development. F95 is well-known and has the audience. It's not compatible to Steam and the transfer would undoubtedly hurt - but if your game won't be released on Steam anyway, getting some money is better than getting no money.

Basically, converting F95 from a piracy site to a development facilitation site. Instead of users uploading the recent versions of the games, developers themselves would upload 2-3 months old versions of their games for free, plus links to the current versions hidden behind a paywall - password-protected links or password-protected archives; something like the Patreon. Passwords are sent automatically to paying users DMs. So if people would like the game and want it to continue (and to play the newest versions available) they would support the development by sending their donations. F95 itself would take an upkeep fee about 5%-10%, just like you suggested.

Thus, instead of a separate site/launcher etc. we'd have an already established site with all the infrastructure and a big audience already in place.

Possible issues:
- Converting F95 from piracy to actually helping out the devs might go against F95 administration vision for their site;
- As it has been pointed out here, taking fees and money transactions in general brings the risk of heightened authorities scrutiny, esp. on taxes etc;
- A portion of F95 audience would certainly be upset that instead of the new versions the free versions would be the outdated ones;
- And finally, there's always the payment processors question.

 

[Deleted member 9257078]

Instead of users uploading the recent versions of the games, developers themselves would upload 2-3 months old versions of their games for free

While from a user's perspective I kind of like that idea, but from a studio's perspective I can understand why they might not be incentived by such ideas.

How about a compromise?

Like a gamepass model for older games?

That way both players and studios get something out of the deal.

 

[Count Morado]

You know, back at the ban discussion thread I've proposed a really stupid idea:



Basically, converting F95 from a piracy site to a development facilitation site. Instead of users uploading the recent versions of the games, developers themselves would upload 2-3 months old versions of their games for free, plus links to the current versions hidden behind a paywall - password-protected links or password-protected archives; something like the Patreon. Passwords are sent automatically to paying users DMs. So if people would like the game and want it to continue (and to play the newest versions available) they would support the development by sending their donations. F95 itself would take an upkeep fee about 5%-10%, just like you suggested.

Thus, instead of a separate site/launcher etc. we'd have an already established site with all the infrastructure and a big audience already in place.

Possible issues:
- Converting F95 from piracy to actually helping out the devs might go against F95 administration vision for their site;
- As it has been pointed out here, taking fees and money transactions in general brings the risk of heightened authorities scrutiny, esp. on taxes etc;
- A portion of F95 audience would certainly be upset that instead of the new versions the free versions would be the outdated ones;
- And finally, there's always the payment processors question.

You are absolutely correct in your first phrase.

F95 will not ever host content. Putting them in the place of a retailer or similar puts them in greater jeopardy than simply a pirate site. Right now they keep themselves mostly under the radar (and still have to fight off various opponents - legal and hackers) by remaining outside of the retail sphere. You do not want any new attention placed upon F95 .... unless you want to see it shut down?

 

[c3p0]

You know, back at the ban discussion thread I've proposed a really stupid idea:



Basically, converting F95 from a piracy site to a development facilitation site. Instead of users uploading the recent versions of the games, developers themselves would upload 2-3 months old versions of their games for free, plus links to the current versions hidden behind a paywall - password-protected links or password-protected archives; something like the Patreon. Passwords are sent automatically to paying users DMs. So if people would like the game and want it to continue (and to play the newest versions available) they would support the development by sending their donations. F95 itself would take an upkeep fee about 5%-10%, just like you suggested.

Thus, instead of a separate site/launcher etc. we'd have an already established site with all the infrastructure and a big audience already in place.

Possible issues:
- Converting F95 from piracy to actually helping out the devs might go against F95 administration vision for their site;
- As it has been pointed out here, taking fees and money transactions in general brings the risk of heightened authorities scrutiny, esp. on taxes etc;
- A portion of F95 audience would certainly be upset that instead of the new versions the free versions would be the outdated ones;
- And finally, there's always the payment processors question.

If the owners of the site wanted to do, they had long ago made that.

You are absolutely correct in your first phrase.

F95 will not ever host content. Putting them in the place of a retailer or similar puts them in greater jeopardy than simply a pirate site. Right now they keep themselves mostly under the radar (and still have to fight off various opponents - legal and hackers) by remaining outside of the retail sphere. You do not want any new attention placed upon F95 .... unless you want to see it shut down?

Here you're wrong, the whole thing is called Experimental Donor DDL Service.
I agree with your points against it and simply find it "stupid", but it is not my decision.

 

[Hagatagar]

I'm not trying to police morality. I'm not here to say “you can’t post this,”

But at some point you have to. This is not a fairytale realm, you have to abide to laws and regulations, otherwise you will not only lose your payment options, you will also have legal action taken against you.

and carefully structured terms of service that protect both devs and the platform.

A ToS is not a magical document that grants protection. You still have to abide by the law. You can't protect if you do or allow something illegal.

Yes, it will require some legal creativity.

Major red flag statement.
Do it as proper as can be.
As I said before, you are not only jeopardizing yourself and your team, but also every developer on your platform.

where fiction is fiction.

Most people in the adult entertainment world see it that way, but almost all countries do not. It is often illegal, even if it is purely fictional.
And as soon as money is involved they will come after you.

• But allow fictional, fantasy-based content with clearly labeled tags and age verification.

What kind of age verification? The one the UK demants? With fully biometrical ID identification? Making any user a visible and target to the authorities. Anything else is just a [current year - 18] "verification".

• Make all participants in visual media 18+ models (rendered or real).

The models would have to look like adults too. Not "teen" no "1000 year old loli". No borderline "she looks like she could be 18 with some imagination". Why is that so? Because such a statement is worth nothing.

• Include consent disclaimers (e.g., “all scenes are fictional, all characters are 18+, etc.”)

The "all characters are 18+" is a bullshit excuse to ease a devs mind. It is of no worth and has no legal bindings. Never has and never will this protect anybody.
It's meant for real media, where real people might be underage and this is to assure that everything was checked and no minors are involved, even if the actors look like that.

• A business base in a country with a more liberal stance on adult fiction — like Estonia, Czechia, or even the UK (if transparent and registered right).

UK is currently on a anti-porn crusade, so no.


If you want to really do this, go for the fully legal route. Only "morally normal" games (no incest, bestiality, loli).
At least at first. You need to get this thing rolling and anything like that will be a stick in your gears.
Only after you have established yourself as an institution (this will take years), you should venture into other areas.
e.g. a secondary site for content that can easily be dismissed if something goes wrong.

You take your share on the transaction, you are guilty of concealment since that money come from a crime.

And so are the payment processors and credit card companies, that's why they act to harsh.

Basically, converting F95 from a piracy site to a development facilitation site.

Yay, another traitor like FAKKU and Crunchroll then?

 

[c3p0]

Yay, another traitor like FAKKU and Crunchroll then?

You're too late to the party. We're a subsidiary of Patreon since over a year already.
Hopefully now Sam can have some relaxing holiday.

 

[peterppp]

Possible issues:
- Converting F95 from piracy to actually helping out the devs might go against F95 administration vision for their site;

you think?
(to be fair, they do help devs in many ways. just not by stopping pirating them.)