Idea for an adult game site

[YukitoNakamura]

Paypal is against anything they deem offensive, even SFW content, Horakty.

 

[coldpyr0]

I have question do PayPal, ApplePay, Vimeo, and CashApp against adult stuffs?

All of those are more banks than payment processors. They all rely on Visa/Mastercard/Discover for their cards, only their direct money transfer offerings are different and depending on the platform may just fall under a different bank/institution to work as well.

 

[YukitoNakamura]

Paypal did ban people on their own, and also booted SubscribeStar(both SFW and NSFW versions).

 

[MissCougar]

Doesnt work like that.

That has the same energy as "ultimately, Hunter x Hunter will just need to be finished, made with passion rather than wanting for the author to get rid of crippling disc herniation'

The only reason why we have this ammount of porn games in this day and age is devs can get profit from making them. Imagine spending years on a product for free while half of your userbase complains they can't fuck your childhood friend.

I know where you are coming from, and I know what you want. But if the reality is the payment processors won't pay you and no sites will carry you, you're down to trying to get money from snail mail or midnight envelope exchanges for some illicit product.

If tomorrow games in general were banned everywhere... yes you will have to make games by passion alone and not for profit unless you do something underhanded. But it'll not likely be at scale to support an actual web team.

I know this is like third-order thinking that a lot of people struggle with, but it's just how it is if things progress and it is the reality for the games impacted.

Maybe they can switch their theme to something acceptable and remove the bad. Chances are high though that the list of "Bad" is just going to grow now that they found the pressure point. GTA 7 may be about a guy repairing all the damage to cars in a gun free zone while struggling with the weight of which charity or volunteer service he needs to attend that game night.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

GTA 7 may be about a guy repairing all the damage to cars in a gun free zone while struggling with the weight of which charity or volunteer service he needs to attend that game night.

I've seen a lot of people actually hoping they target GTA 6. Nothing would spread the word more than that.

 

[MissCougar]

I've seen a lot of people actually hoping they target GTA 6. Nothing would spread the word more than that.

I think they would need to quickly pivot on stricter game regulations and may need to jump back into the "rawr violence is bad" concept too for it to apply. I think this GTA will be fine but the next one maybe not so much.

I think sex is just the first step to getting at violence again, and shift from payment processors to country laws. If the countries side with the payment processor activists, which is possible because the current target is degenerate sex stuff, it'll be the gateway drug to more things.

 

[BlackKnight6666]

I've seen a lot of people actually hoping they target GTA 6. Nothing would spread the word more than that.

1000% agree
going after a major game / movie will be ... fun.
but i think they have the brainpower not to do that (keep in mind that game of wh... thrones has more incest and rape that most of the incest/rape games on f95... and nobody tried to ban it)

 

[BlackKnight6666]

I think they would need to quickly pivot on stricter game regulations and may need to jump back into the "rawr violence is bad" concept too for it to apply. I think this GTA will be fine but the next one maybe not so much.

I think sex is just the first step to getting at violence again, and shift from payment processors to country laws. If the countries side with the payment processor activists, which is possible because the current target is degenerate sex stuff, it'll be the gateway drug to more things.

of course...
sex, then violence... the thinking ... 1984, brave new world you name it... actually what they do here sounds more like Fahrenheit 451 than anything else...

 

[MissCougar]

of course...
sex, then violence... the thinking ... 1984, brave new world you name it... actually what they do here sounds more like Fahrenheit 451 than anything else...

Of course. And I believe I saw reports yesterday where the UK has already used its "rawr save the children from porn" block to also block out access to the riot coverage happening there so people couldn't see it.

The whole weaponization of their censorship platform took all of less than a day it seems.

Maybe I'm wrong but I did see some screenshots of it- not to say it's a dishonest screenshot though.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Of course. And I believe I saw reports yesterday where the UK has already used its "rawr save the children from porn" block to also block out access to the riot coverage happening there so people couldn't see it.

Even Wikipedia falls under its scope.

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[MissCougar]

Even Wikipedia falls under its scope.

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Haha

Yeah it's always about mind control, never about saving the kids. Why they care more about that stuff rather than stopping the actual criminals literally doing the bad things. It's disappointing how much governments and people want to live in their own version of Soviet Russia.

 

[Deleted member 9257078]

Even Wikipedia falls under its scope.

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Wikipedia is a propaganda machine so that doesn't really surprise me.

 

[BlackKnight6666]

Of course. And I believe I saw reports yesterday where the UK has already used its "rawr save the children from porn" block to also block out access to the riot coverage happening there so people couldn't see it.

The whole weaponization of their censorship platform took all of less than a day it seems.

Maybe I'm wrong but I did see some screenshots of it- not to say it's a dishonest screenshot though.

Every time a government FUCKS civil rights it has a good reason. Even if it s a fucking lie.

Yup, if not stopped, we will very soon live in a distopia worst than 1984, 451, animal farm, brave new world , clockwork orange etc combined !

 

[BlackKnight6666]

Even Wikipedia falls under its scope.

You must be registered to see the links

Wow...
UK is a walking distopia ..
And to think one of the reasons they left EU was that EU was many regulations looooool

 

[MissCougar]

Every time a government FUCKS civil rights it has a good reason. Even if it s a fucking lie.

Yup, if not stopped, we will very soon live in a distopia worst than 1984, 451, animal farm, brave new world , clockwork orange etc combined !

Yes and they always do it by ramrodding something through and then using it in a "novel way" that wasn't the way it was sold to the public, that is like a nice gotcha right in the civil and humanitarian rights. And it always benefits the rich or government, too. Go figure.

And once it's in place undoing it is a titanic effort.

 

[anne O'nymous]

The whole weaponization of their censorship platform took all of less than a day it seems.

To be exact, it took them -323 days, since it's the

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[ASLPro3D]

I know where you are coming from, and I know what you want. But if the reality is the payment processors won't pay you and no sites will carry you, you're down to trying to get money from snail mail or midnight envelope exchanges for some illicit product.

If tomorrow games in general were banned everywhere... yes you will have to make games by passion alone and not for profit unless you do something underhanded. But it'll not likely be at scale to support an actual web team.

I know this is like third-order thinking that a lot of people struggle with, but it's just how it is if things progress and it is the reality for the games impacted.

Maybe they can switch their theme to something acceptable and remove the bad. Chances are high though that the list of "Bad" is just going to grow now that they found the pressure point. GTA 7 may be about a guy repairing all the damage to cars in a gun free zone while struggling with the weight of which charity or volunteer service he needs to attend that game night.

...I think someone said it well before: Passion doesn't pay bills and few will put the effort in.

I can tell you this, with a large degree of certainty, that if there wasn't a way to profit from the amount of work that I had to put into my game, I wouldn't be making a game.

I'd put a lot of that time and effort back into working in my previous fields (like comic book industry, the actual game industry or back to solely writing novels again)... sure as hell, wouldn't be dumping it all into making a game that I can't at least make some kind of return on.

Know from experience from talking with a lot of creators, of whom I am friends with, that they sure as shit wouldn't be either.

Why is it, you think, that so many bail from the original efforts that they put in?

It is a shit-ton of work to craft a freaking game!!!

My first game, I was putting on average anywhere between 8 hours to 12 hours (and sometimes more) a day, seven days week for a little over a year to get my game out and done. And, though, on paper it looked like I made a good ROI (Return on Investment) for that time and effort, when we factored in the time spent versus money earned... I made around $0.53 cents USD an hour for that effort.

Fortunately, in my case, I built my first game using Poser and the assets that I had purchased and accumulated in my time of working in the 3D Industry that I helped to create... but for many of these creators (and myself now), who use Daz 3D, that really isn't an option.

So, far, to date... since my change over to Daz 3D and Genesis 8, I have spent a total of nearly $12,000 USD (maybe a slight bit more now, won't know final tally till Tax time) just on Daz assets... and, yeah, I could be kind of scummy to all of the Daz/Poser Creators by pirating the many objects, props, textures, poses and stuff to make my game, I won't do it... first, because I am personal friends with many of them who are just trying to do the same as me... make a living and second, I try to stay above board to prevent an possibility of entanglements that would just make my effort to make a living myself, rendered useless.

Granted, it's cost me that much for assets, because I hadn't been collecting or purchasing that stuff over time as many others have been or like I had done when using my Poser content.

Then there is the (little less than) $9,000 USD that I spent on my new rig, to be sure that I could render all of those assets to make my upcoming game and be as competitive in the market with some of the other games and graphics coming out in our little 'porn' game industry.

And HOLY HELL, I thought it was a BITCH and HUGE time sink working on and rendering my first game using Poser, doing one in Daz takes a SHIT LOAD MORE TIME!!! Gone are the days when I could render out between 50 to 200 renders a day working in and with super low poly geometry, 512 dpi textures, a dinosaur of a rendering engine to what Daz has and uses, I am lucky if I get 30 to (maybe) 100 renders a day done and that is with my system even chugging them out while I sleep!

Then there are the additional costs of money... the cost for utilities used as your machine(s) chugs and churns out renders, hardware/software upkeep costs as I've already killed one motherboard in the last two years and coolant pump.

And then there is time spent... aside from the time spent assembling scenes and rendering, there is time spent in plotting, writing, advertising (which also incurs financial costs as well, besides just time), time spent trying to figure out and check on line for how to freaking do something that you want to do for the game and have to learn it, time spent running and interacting on Discord (though I suck at that myself), time spent interacting and responding on social media, Patreon and here...

That doesn't even cover the cost in health, which many of us creators are already dealing with and why the majority of us are try to make money doing games... because a lot of us have serious health issues and try to use what we are doing to make supplemental income, because we can't work regular jobs.

Or the cost in health and headaches that can come from individuals that we as creators have to put up with... the 'PORN IS BAD AND WE NEED TO RID THE WORLD OF THEM!' assholes, for which the topic of this tread was created about, having all of our time and effort (and money) suddenly cut off and useless, or necessary to jump through ever-changing hoops...

Not to mention the 'THIS GAME HAS NTR!' bullshit crowd... who usually whine, scream and dump ash upon their heads while they turn themselves into knots... and, many times, calling something NTR when it isn't or thinking that a game that has a dick in it, other then the MC's (i.e.: their own) then it is NTR. *sigh*

Or the wonderful 'WHEN IS THE NEXT RELEASE DUE' or the 'TOO LAZY TO READ OR SEARCH THE FORUM FOR ANSWERS' crowd... etc., etc., etc...

With respect, 'make games just on passion'... most of us are ALREADY making games on 'passion', because VERY FEW OF US even make the money and value back in what we've spent, not to mention there are freaking times when that never seems to be good enough for people out there...

...so, why bother?


I, myself, have no illusions to what I do... while I wish I could score big like some of the top creators, I may likely NEVER truly make what I put in doing all of this back.

That's 'passion', but to not make ANYTHING AT ALL back... fuck that, even I will check out... not worth the hassle that we, as game creators, have to go through.

Just saying.

 

[c3p0]

Some very long text...

I could check what I've "spend" on you. I don't think it will cover Daz or your PC and by big margin obviously not your health cost. Yet, still here as many, I assume others.
What I do find it crazy is that today the can be totally happy with you and tomorrow your delisted and have your account banned, cause they updated their rules and now fuck you and your money.

Also I do hope my friend that something change for the better and revert some of the more idiotic ridiculous things that happen. And that at some time will see 18+ games in video game console stores (after age verification or similar).
Obviously, still hopping that at one day you can have your on Steam, Itch, ... and earn a "few" bucks more.

PS:
You forgotten: WaLkTrOuGh?!?

 

[BlackKnight6666]

...I think someone said it well before: Passion doesn't pay bills and few will put the effort in.

I can tell you this, with a large degree of certainty, that if there wasn't a way to profit from the amount of work that I had to put into my game, I wouldn't be making a game.

I'd put a lot of that time and effort back into working in my previous fields (like comic book industry, the actual game industry or back to solely writing novels again)... sure as hell, wouldn't be dumping it all into making a game that I can't at least make some kind of return on.

Know from experience from talking with a lot of creators, of whom I am friends with, that they sure as shit wouldn't be either.

Why is it, you think, that so many bail from the original efforts that they put in?

It is a shit-ton of work to craft a freaking game!!!

My first game, I was putting on average anywhere between 8 hours to 12 hours (and sometimes more) a day, seven days week for a little over a year to get my game out and done. And, though, on paper it looked like I made a good ROI (Return on Investment) for that time and effort, when we factored in the time spent versus money earned... I made around $0.53 cents USD an hour for that effort.

Fortunately, in my case, I built my first game using Poser and the assets that I had purchased and accumulated in my time of working in the 3D Industry that I helped to create... but for many of these creators (and myself now), who use Daz 3D, that really isn't an option.

So, far, to date... since my change over to Daz 3D and Genesis 8, I have spent a total of nearly $12,000 USD (maybe a slight bit more now, won't know final tally till Tax time) just on Daz assets... and, yeah, I could be kind of scummy to all of the Daz/Poser Creators by pirating the many objects, props, textures, poses and stuff to make my game, I won't do it... first, because I am personal friends with many of them who are just trying to do the same as me... make a living and second, I try to stay above board to prevent an possibility of entanglements that would just make my effort to make a living myself, rendered useless.

Granted, it's cost me that much for assets, because I hadn't been collecting or purchasing that stuff over time as many others have been or like I had done when using my Poser content.

Then there is the (little less than) $9,000 USD that I spent on my new rig, to be sure that I could render all of those assets to make my upcoming game and be as competitive in the market with some of the other games and graphics coming out in our little 'porn' game industry.

And HOLY HELL, I thought it was a BITCH and HUGE time sink working on and rendering my first game using Poser, doing one in Daz takes a SHIT LOAD MORE TIME!!! Gone are the days when I could render out between 50 to 200 renders a day working in and with super low poly geometry, 512 dpi textures, a dinosaur of a rendering engine to what Daz has and uses, I am lucky if I get 30 to (maybe) 100 renders a day done and that is with my system even chugging them out while I sleep!

Then there are the additional costs of money... the cost for utilities used as your machine(s) chugs and churns out renders, hardware/software upkeep costs as I've already killed one motherboard in the last two years and coolant pump.

And then there is time spent... aside from the time spent assembling scenes and rendering, there is time spent in plotting, writing, advertising (which also incurs financial costs as well, besides just time), time spent trying to figure out and check on line for how to freaking do something that you want to do for the game and have to learn it, time spent running and interacting on Discord (though I suck at that myself), time spent interacting and responding on social media, Patreon and here...

That doesn't even cover the cost in health, which many of us creators are already dealing with and why the majority of us are try to make money doing games... because a lot of us have serious health issues and try to use what we are doing to make supplemental income, because we can't work regular jobs.

Or the cost in health and headaches that can come from individuals that we as creators have to put up with... the 'PORN IS BAD AND WE NEED TO RID THE WORLD OF THEM!' assholes, for which the topic of this tread was created about, having all of our time and effort (and money) suddenly cut off and useless, or necessary to jump through ever-changing hoops...

Not to mention the 'THIS GAME HAS NTR!' bullshit crowd... who usually whine, scream and dump ash upon their heads while they turn themselves into knots... and, many times, calling something NTR when it isn't or thinking that a game that has a dick in it, other then the MC's (i.e.: their own) then it is NTR. *sigh*

Or the wonderful 'WHEN IS THE NEXT RELEASE DUE' or the 'TOO LAZY TO READ OR SEARCH THE FORUM FOR ANSWERS' crowd... etc., etc., etc...

With respect, 'make games just on passion'... most of us are ALREADY making games on 'passion', because VERY FEW OF US even make the money and value back in what we've spent, not to mention there are freaking times when that never seems to be good enough for people out there...

...so, why bother?


I, myself, have no illusions to what I do... while I wish I could score big like some of the top creators, I may likely NEVER truly make what I put in doing all of this back.

That's 'passion', but to not make ANYTHING AT ALL back... fuck that, even I will check out... not worth the hassle that we, as game creators, have to go through.

Just saying.

unfortunately there are a lot who just give up
no so much money, people are always not happy etc

 

[MissCougar]

...I think someone said it well before: Passion doesn't pay bills and few will put the effort in.

I can tell you this, with a large degree of certainty, that if there wasn't a way to profit from the amount of work that I had to put into my game, I wouldn't be making a game.

I'd put a lot of that time and effort back into working in my previous fields (like comic book industry, the actual game industry or back to solely writing novels again)... sure as hell, wouldn't be dumping it all into making a game that I can't at least make some kind of return on.

Know from experience from talking with a lot of creators, of whom I am friends with, that they sure as shit wouldn't be either.

Why is it, you think, that so many bail from the original efforts that they put in?

It is a shit-ton of work to craft a freaking game!!!

My first game, I was putting on average anywhere between 8 hours to 12 hours (and sometimes more) a day, seven days week for a little over a year to get my game out and done. And, though, on paper it looked like I made a good ROI (Return on Investment) for that time and effort, when we factored in the time spent versus money earned... I made around $0.53 cents USD an hour for that effort.

Fortunately, in my case, I built my first game using Poser and the assets that I had purchased and accumulated in my time of working in the 3D Industry that I helped to create... but for many of these creators (and myself now), who use Daz 3D, that really isn't an option.

So, far, to date... since my change over to Daz 3D and Genesis 8, I have spent a total of nearly $12,000 USD (maybe a slight bit more now, won't know final tally till Tax time) just on Daz assets... and, yeah, I could be kind of scummy to all of the Daz/Poser Creators by pirating the many objects, props, textures, poses and stuff to make my game, I won't do it... first, because I am personal friends with many of them who are just trying to do the same as me... make a living and second, I try to stay above board to prevent an possibility of entanglements that would just make my effort to make a living myself, rendered useless.

Granted, it's cost me that much for assets, because I hadn't been collecting or purchasing that stuff over time as many others have been or like I had done when using my Poser content.

Then there is the (little less than) $9,000 USD that I spent on my new rig, to be sure that I could render all of those assets to make my upcoming game and be as competitive in the market with some of the other games and graphics coming out in our little 'porn' game industry.

And HOLY HELL, I thought it was a BITCH and HUGE time sink working on and rendering my first game using Poser, doing one in Daz takes a SHIT LOAD MORE TIME!!! Gone are the days when I could render out between 50 to 200 renders a day working in and with super low poly geometry, 512 dpi textures, a dinosaur of a rendering engine to what Daz has and uses, I am lucky if I get 30 to (maybe) 100 renders a day done and that is with my system even chugging them out while I sleep!

Then there are the additional costs of money... the cost for utilities used as your machine(s) chugs and churns out renders, hardware/software upkeep costs as I've already killed one motherboard in the last two years and coolant pump.

And then there is time spent... aside from the time spent assembling scenes and rendering, there is time spent in plotting, writing, advertising (which also incurs financial costs as well, besides just time), time spent trying to figure out and check on line for how to freaking do something that you want to do for the game and have to learn it, time spent running and interacting on Discord (though I suck at that myself), time spent interacting and responding on social media, Patreon and here...

That doesn't even cover the cost in health, which many of us creators are already dealing with and why the majority of us are try to make money doing games... because a lot of us have serious health issues and try to use what we are doing to make supplemental income, because we can't work regular jobs.

Or the cost in health and headaches that can come from individuals that we as creators have to put up with... the 'PORN IS BAD AND WE NEED TO RID THE WORLD OF THEM!' assholes, for which the topic of this tread was created about, having all of our time and effort (and money) suddenly cut off and useless, or necessary to jump through ever-changing hoops...

Not to mention the 'THIS GAME HAS NTR!' bullshit crowd... who usually whine, scream and dump ash upon their heads while they turn themselves into knots... and, many times, calling something NTR when it isn't or thinking that a game that has a dick in it, other then the MC's (i.e.: their own) then it is NTR. *sigh*

Or the wonderful 'WHEN IS THE NEXT RELEASE DUE' or the 'TOO LAZY TO READ OR SEARCH THE FORUM FOR ANSWERS' crowd... etc., etc., etc...

With respect, 'make games just on passion'... most of us are ALREADY making games on 'passion', because VERY FEW OF US even make the money and value back in what we've spent, not to mention there are freaking times when that never seems to be good enough for people out there...

...so, why bother?


I, myself, have no illusions to what I do... while I wish I could score big like some of the top creators, I may likely NEVER truly make what I put in doing all of this back.

That's 'passion', but to not make ANYTHING AT ALL back... fuck that, even I will check out... not worth the hassle that we, as game creators, have to go through.

Just saying.

Exactly.

This is why I firmly believe that if nothing changes, the number of adult games is going to drop off of a cliff and we'll be back to the 1990's desolation.

Depending on the direction this goes, non-porn games will also be impacted and screwed over. It all became magically subjective to what a group of people like and don't like.

I want you to get funding and be paid for what you produce, but if that can't happen I don't expect people to work for nothing. Passion doesn't pay the bills.