If NTR Is Optional, Why the Hate?

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Hello everyone,

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I would like to open a discussion and ask for your opinions on something. Recently, we started wondering whether we might be making a mistake somewhere without realizing it.

Lust Therapy includes multiple fetishes. We make a conscious effort not to force players into any fetish they do not want. As an interactive visual novel, player choice is something we genuinely care about.

Despite this, lately we have noticed that many people who openly state that they hate NTR are still spending time playing our game, especially judging by our itch.io ratings and feedback from other sources.

On our game page, we clearly state:
-Which fetishes are present in the game
-That NTR exists
-And most importantly, that NTR can be avoided

Even so, we receive rating comments such as “NTR slop” or “NTR trash,” along with low ratings.

We have never claimed that there is no NTR in the game. On the contrary, we openly explain that even if it exists, players can choose to avoid it. Yet these players still play the game and then react negatively to that specific content.

We are not a very old or established team in the NSFW game development, so we are genuinely curious:
Are we missing something here?

To us, this situation feels similar to a vegan going into a restaurant that openly serves meat and then complaining about why there is meat on the menu. Even when the restaurant says, “We also offer salads if you prefer,” the response is still, “No, the fact that you serve meat at all is disgusting.”

Are we standing in the wrong place here, or is this simply something NSFW game developers commonly experience?

We truly appreciate your thoughts and feedback. Thank you in advance.
 
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Jake333555

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Most people (me included) tend to often get too attached to the MC. It's way harder (or easier not to) if the MC is highly unlikable, but still. Having NTR even as an option is like saying "This person can cheat on you!" Not many people likes to be cheated on. That's why NTR is highly controversial. Many players hate it when their beloved character gets into the bed of some random person. Sure, you can avoid it, but it's there, and it's even worse if player needs to actually try if they want to avoid it. It doesn't matter for them if NTR can be avoided, what matters is that they have a thought in their head that the character MC is with CAN be unfaithful if given right conditions. NTS is a little different story, since MC is bringing it onto himself purely from their actions. I can't get attached nor feel bad for them.

Now, I'd like to thank you for even giving an option. Most devs don't care, and it's sad when the game I find interest in suddenly has NTR I can't avoid. I just prefer to have a choice to avoid it if possible.
 

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Thank you very much for your comment. We genuinely appreciate it, and your perspective was both sincere and insightful. In particular, your point about NTR being uncomfortable not because it exists, but because it exists as a possibility, offered us a new and valuable way of looking at this issue.

While thinking about this, another question came to mind that we would genuinely like to ask:
Why do players who are strongly uncomfortable with NTR still choose to play games that are clearly labeled and openly state that they include NTR content?

We would be interested in hearing your thoughts on that as well.
 

Beast Within

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personally I will never support a game that has ntr in whatever shape or form. having said that, the people who actually hate ntr, will not bother with your game, at all, having the tag either excluded, meaning they dont even see it , or just ignored it all together.
your problem is with the people who claim they hate ntr( they dont) but also claim they are ok with it being optional ( if they actually hate it, then they are not ok with being optional. they are just pretentious virtue signalers and are usually not ok with it even being there)..

but even with that, if your game is succesful and accepted, you shouldnt care much about the haters. haters will exist no matter what. there have been games without ntr where ntr fans go as far as doxing the dev or start sending death threats, self harm threats etc.


Why do players who are strongly uncomfortable with NTR still choose to play games that are clearly labeled and openly state that they include NTR content?
because more often than not, they are lying on purpose. they are quite comfortable with ntr. its a virtue signaling tactic. like for example " I am a harem lover but I like to share my women from time to time and anyone who doesnt is an insecure -insert shaming tactic-". you already got the first example of that sort of people with the guy above. they pretend to be something else because they are desperate to keep the moral high ground and virtue signal people with different preferences.

players who hate ntr, will never bother with it. will filter it out, and if not filtered out they will ignore it. the kink is unapealing to the vast majority of the players except for the few multiple account pips who live in their little buble, and try to pretend they are legion.

I could go to more details, but the cucks are already gathering and the mods protect them, so it is what it is.
 

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People have fetishes they like or don't like.

I think as long as you stick to making the game you want to make you'll be golden, everyone else will either like it or not like it.

I feel like with sex games people are very concerned with what they like and don't like and it makes them rage or praise very dramatically. I think it's good to know that for every thing you add, there will be people who like it and people who don't. The ones who don't like something will be far more vocal than the ones who do, this is sort of a rule when it comes to marketing and human nature in general.

If the fetish they also don't like is avoidable and they know that, and still complain, they are just being petulant and want to take their ball and go home with it so nobody can have fun. I'd ignore those people.

Best of luck! <3
 

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personally I will never support a game that has ntr in whatever shape or form. having said that, the people who actually hate ntr, will not bother with your game, at all, having the tag either excluded, meaning they dont even see it , or just ignored it all together.
your problem is with the people who claim they hate ntr( they dont) but also claim they are ok with it being optional ( if they actually hate it, then they are not ok with being optional. they are just pretentious virtue signalers and are usually not ok with it even being there)..

but even with that, if your game is succesful and accepted, you shouldnt care much about the haters. haters will exist no matter what. there have been games without ntr where ntr fans go as far as doxing the dev or start sending death threats, self harm threats etc.




because more often than not, they are lying on purpose. they are quite comfortable with ntr. its a virtue signaling tactic. like for example " I am a harem lover but I like to share my women from time to time and anyone who doesnt is an insecure -insert shaming tactic-". you already got the first example of that sort of people with the guy above. they pretend to be something else because they are desperate to keep the moral high ground and virtue signal people with different preferences.

players who hate ntr, will never bother with it. will filter it out, and if not filtered out they will ignore it. the kink is unapealing to the vast majority of the players except for the few multiple account pips who live in their little buble, and try to pretend they are legion.

I could go to more details, but the cucks are already gathering and the mods protect them, so it is what it is.
lol that's some mental gymnastics which doesnt make a lick of sense.

always the same with you people, blaming your insecurities on everyone else lol. so afraid of being a cuck.
 

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this insecurity retardation doesnt work anymore. I dont play scat games either. am I insecure of turds? get lost kid
your retarded logic that the people complaining about ntr really likes ntr can only come from an insecure mind. get lost cuck
 

MissCougar

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Guys, please avoid using hurtful language toward each other.
We all have different perspectives, and my only intention in opening this thread was to understand them.
Please let’s not turn this discussion into a fight.
Once you open up the NTR can things can get heated. It's usually a popcorn moment but I hope at least you see that the concept itself is pretty divisive. If the division and nastiness your community may fall into bothers you... could avoid it.

But then you could run into the same thing with another fetish you want to have so it's up to you on how much you try to protect your players, keep everyone happy by removing content that not everyone wants, and just make the game you want to make.

Id just make the game you want to make and either get used to saying "thanks for your feedback" or ignoring people.

Best of luck!!! <3
 
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MarshmallowCasserole

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Are we missing something here?
You're missing the overall emotional tone of the work.

Treat NTR as horror elements in a light and airy romcom. But! But those elements can be avoided with careful choices!

Yes... but for some people the unease won't go away completely. People sensitive to NTR don't want to plan their choices carefully to avoid all the jumpscares you've placed around. They just want an easy way for a harem ending.
 

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who cares. just make your game the way you want it. people who aren't into it aren't your target audience, don't make the mistake of catering for them. only your target audience is relevant.
 
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Lust And Roll

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who cares. just make your game the way you want it. people who aren't into it aren't your target audience, don't make the mistake of catering for them. only your target audience is relevant.
I completely agree with your view. For us, focusing on our own target audience is what matters most. I was simply trying to better understand the perspective of players who are uncomfortable with NTR.

What upset me was seeing the game being rated negatively by people who do not enjoy it and being judged only through a single aspect of it, which then shapes how it appears to others. However, I also understand that this is a natural part of a game developer’s experience.
 

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I'm not 100% sure, but I think you can get those ratings removed from itch (your mileage may vary) if the the review is just "I don't like thing even though it explicitly states thing exists", similar to F95's own review rules. From what I've seen, with NTR it seems like you want to go whole hog or not at all. Meaning, your entire game needs to be NTR, or have that be one of the major represented genres, or just not even have a whisper of it.

A lot of games I see that do this well have a clearly defined NTR route and a clearly defined NTS route (or really anything else), instead of like "There's only one main story but a few sprinkles of NTR possible here and there". NTR players aren't going to be satisfied with just a scene or two, while NTR haters will shitpost in your thread relentlessly because I'm pretty sure they're on the spectrum somewhere.

Honestly, I'd say if you've clearly outlined the option of NTR, you can basically disregard the outcry of anyone who flings shit at the wall and demands succor from the teats of their mothers because they couldn't be emotionally developed enough to filter out any game that has "netorare" anywhere in its tags.

You are completely correct in that it's like someone saying "The literal second you walk in this room you're going to get punched in the balls", then you walk in the room anyway, get punched in the balls, and leave a 1* review saying "wtf i got punched in the balls never coming here again", but actually come back every day afterwards to let everyone know how angry you are that the warning was accurate.
 
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Letstryitout

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I think F95 is pretty "clean" when it comes to unwanted NTR discussion. Staff takes cares of it mostly, but these people are still everywhere. You can actually pinpoint recurring characters in NTR threads too, always funny when you expose their love for "NTR" and their futile attempt to play redditor on a literal Porn site.
 
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kytee

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The hate you get for making NTR optional, and for the devs that get hate for excluding NTR entirely, are just a bully tactic people of either camp use to get devs to tow the line and make the genre they want. It's the same animosity of the current political state of the world where you're either in our camp or you're the enemy and there is no in-between. You've gotta have balls to stick it out on the NTR-optional path as a game dev. Most devs end up kowtowing to either camp or just quit entirely. Stick it out long enough and eventually you'll get to a point of critical mass where there's enough casuals enjoying your game to where their voices drown out the lunies (or the numbers cause them to become irrelevant).
 
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desmosome

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you should get a cloak of ntr protection. maybe that would help you. literally everything you do on f95 is displaying your fear of ntr. it's consuming your whole existence. get some help dude. this is pathological behavior
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Ironically, this guy's assertion was that people that obsess about hating NTR in game threads are actually secret NTR fans...