VN Ren'Py I’m making an anti-NTR game, Heartsworn Abyss. Would you like to try it? (Fully voiced, no AI)

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It’s anti in the same meaning anti-villain is used. Not exactly a negation, but a subversion of the genre. English language is weird like that. :3

0% NTR would just be no NTR or vanilla IMO.
That's... not how it works. There's "reverse NTR", which is when a boy is stolen from a girl. Then there's avoidable NTR (where you can prevent NTR with right choices). Anti-NTR is a term that would rather fit a netori genre, where you're the one stealing the girl. Netorare - your girl is stolen, netori - you steal the girl. As for what an anti-villain is, it is usually just a good guy acting like an antagonist, or someone with noble intentions doing ultimately evil stuff, or more traditionally a villain who lacks traditional evil qualities. In general, this term is less concrete and well established than anti-hero, which is a hero who lacks superficial heroic qualities (think Witcher). But the use of the word "anti" in those terms isn't "how English works", rather it's an EXCEPTION. In general, "anti" means the opposite and something that fights the thing. Anti-magic isn't a form of magic, it's something that fights magic, anti-personnel weapon is a weapon against persons, antifreeze is something to prevent freezing, etc. What's the point of trying to invent a term when your game doesn't have anything that wouldn't fit the general tropes?

In a way, anti-NTR is something you can call a story like " Makeine: Too Many Losing Heroines! " where the guy gets girls after they are rejected by their crush, as it doesn't fit any of the established genres. By the description it seems your game is just a typical avoidable netorare game.
 

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The confusion stems mostly from the fact that F95zone mouth-breathers that throw a fit at anything NTR has been labled as "Anti-NTR" people. To "anti-NTR" people, the mere existence of NTR is an existential threat that they are paradoxically drawn to. They flock to it like flies on shit and leave their facepalms and angry emojis. So in F95zone vernacular, anti-NTR has indeed come to denote the most pathetic impulses of the vanilla/harem/romance crowd.

On other sites (various AI chatbot sites being an example), Anti-NTR seems to mean scenarios where the player can prevent, punish, or convert the girl back in an NTR situation. It's not a genre that is meant for the thinnest skinned harem crowd that balk at the presence of a male NPC in any story. It's aimed at people that can tolerate NTR but strive to "beat" it within the game/story.

But since this is F95zone, billing your game as anti-NTR can only lead to... well, whatever is happening in this thread.
That's the kind of NTR (Netorare) I would like to play, where the player has to fight an antagonist (or more than one), or make the right choices, to prevent netorare from happening. That seems like a real engaging scenario to me. Having a "bad outcome" is the basis of any game, I like that in a story too.
The lack of consequences for crap player choices is what I usually don't like in a VN (or in any other videogame).

NTR is still the main focus! Just because it’s avoidable doesn’t mean it’s put on the backburner!
90%+ of the H-scenes will be NTR.
So it's basically like most of Netorare centric games, where the player has to actively pursue netorare to get the most of the game. I don't really see how it would be a good choice to avoid 90% of the game. It seems unbalanced to me.
Nothing wrong in targeting full netorare fans but this statement of yours does not really fit your initial presentation of the game.
 

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Sure if it has 1k atleast cg fully animated and works on joiplay or winlator atleast.. count me in .

Jk ill try it out im bored.
 
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I would like an option to get back at the people that made the MC despair, so both the cheating FMC and the bull. So fuck with people that can affect the story positively for MC and negatively for the cheating pair. Sister, daughter, mother, girlfriend, wife, boss...etc. The more painful the NTR, then the more rewarding the revenge should be.

Your girlfriend cheated on you with the captain of the soccer team? You get back by sleeping with her mom or sister. For that guy, maybe his mom or the teacher that can fail him. Even better (to me) if they do it willingly without resorting to blackmail. (legit winning)
 
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It’s anti in the same meaning anti-villain is used. Not exactly a negation, but a subversion of the genre. English language is weird like that. :3

0% NTR would just be no NTR or vanilla IMO.
I like this idea, not a fan of NTR as a main plot-point but I like it as a strategic risk or option, or outright lose-condition that isn't "die into loading screen."

In other words, "Is the NTR a skill issue?"
 
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I like this idea, not a fan of NTR as a main plot-point but I like it as a strategic risk or option, or outright lose-condition that isn't "die into loading screen."

In other words, "Is the NTR a skill issue?"
Indeed, it raises the stakes and makes your choices (actually) matter!

I feel the choice system in many H-games are sadly just relegated to being gallery options; choices aren’t meaningful if you’re only choosing how you want the ugly bastard to sex the heroine.
 

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Indeed, it raises the stakes and makes your choices (actually) matter!

I feel the choice system in many H-games are sadly just relegated to being gallery options; choices aren’t meaningful if you’re only choosing how you want the ugly bastard to sex the heroine.
A tactical or strategic choice, or purely story-choice with multiple of each, of "should I leave FMC alone with for X time"
> > >
"some guy who's built to be as unappealing as possible to women in real life and it carries over to this setting, including being a total loser with no redeeming qualities or anything else implying the competence to pull this off, has some kind of immense leverage over us! What slightly different path should we take to him getting what we wants?"
 

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Indeed, it raises the stakes and makes your choices (actually) matter!

I feel the choice system in many H-games are sadly just relegated to being gallery options; choices aren’t meaningful if you’re only choosing how you want the ugly bastard to sex the heroine.
So if you make a bad choice, there'll be a new path that explores that bad decision we made and it won't just end up being like a Game Over screen. Am I interpreting what you said correctly?
 

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So if you make a bad choice, there'll be a new path that explores that bad decision we made and it won't just end up being like a Game Over screen. Am I interpreting what you said correctly?
Pretty much, that's what I meant in the comment he was replying to.

An H-game, especially "avoidable NTR," presents 3 broad outcomes to an encounter:
1) player victory
2) player loses; FMC (whether PC herself, or canon wife/GF of MPC) either gets raped by victorious enemies or "ransoms" the party
3) player loses, automatic reload-retry; if the game allows manual save & load at all it's useful to avoid (2)

A non-H game basically never has (2). The closest equivalents are usually an alternate cutscene or a forced difficulty change to the next area.
 
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I think you are making a normal ntr game op. The anti ntr game, you'll never guess, is called ace combat 3 where you kill ntrchad (who btw self cucks and dies) in every possible future and it's not fetish shit
 
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Something I enjoy is getting NTR, then get my revenge on both the girl and the dude that stole his girl. Usually another woman that greatly adore the MC without the need to blackmail them. Such as the the Bull/FMC's mom, close relative, friend, or someone in power. The harder the MC fall, the better the revenge need to be. On another note, the FMC is only redeemable if her heart AND body hasn't completely fallen.
 
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