IN DEFENSE OF RETSYMTHENAM

[Ad hominem 3]

Sounds like we have history. But I have no reason to ban you. Maybe other staff or mods might. I just find it interesting that without this dev, f95 would not have existed. Please enlighten me on how this is so? What about the other adult developers? Sure he may be an OG dev, but this community would have been created with or without him.

I didn't say the F95 wouldn't exist, I said this community. In his top 100 at least half were influenced by him directly or indirectly. People often focus on aesthetics, but that's not it. It's the concept. The ideas involved, the way of conducting the script, the gameplay, the themes... Practically most of the western incest games I've played have something coming from Retsym. There are those who even copied it outright... hehe, many wouldn't admit it, but I know because I know the games.

 

[Sam]

I've been banned before. Why do you think I'm Adhominem 3? Hehe..

Is this account you? https://f95zone.to/members/ad-hominem-2.1325110/ it's not banned. There's no account called 'Ad Hominem 1' 'Ad Hominem' or 'AdHominem' either.

As our dear asshole said: ''The forum is private'', and this has always been a lame excuse for any authoritarian and idiotic decision, like banning Retsym.

Next you'll be claiming we're infringing your rights or the 1st ammendment. Don't like our rules? Then find a site whose rules and moderation you agree with. It's a wide web out there.

 

[Ad hominem 3]

Regardless of where this discussion goes. The ban won’t be lifted and the decision is final.

The discussion isn't going anywhere, even because you deleted half of my comments... That's not a discussion, it's a speech. Of course it won't be suspended, I already knew that before posting. When did you go back on something?

 

[Sam]

The discussion isn't going anywhere, even because you deleted half of my comments...

• You have 4 deleted posts in this thread. You deleted 3 of them yourself. The other was deleted by a moderator for multiple instances of name calling in a shitpost.
• You claim to have been banned twice before. Your first account, you deleted yourself and was not banned. Your second account was not banned and you just abandoned it.

Why do you feel the need to lie? Is it a victim complex?

 

[morphnet]

His games are older, he was one of the first. It's just that some kids here think that incest-themed porn games started with Lust and Patience. The Twist, Icstor, NTL Media.. Everyone was influenced by him and they influenced the rest. He made the games available for free on his website, it was a time when there wasn't even a program to develop this type of game properly.

Well let's fact check that shall we?

he was one of the first :

not even close, even in the west he came in years after the first ones

People think incest themed porn games started with lust, the twist, icstor, ntl media:

Maybe some do and the twist was inspired by his work BUT just like people who MIGHT think that, you are also wrong bumping him to the front of the line and calling him one of the first.

Everyone was influenced by him and they influenced the rest:

Not true, how could he have influenced those making games before him if he came along years later? Also many who came after him don't even know who he is, so no he didn't influence EVERYONE

He made games available for free on his website:

You know those communities you say didn't exist until he came along? well he made his unfinished projects available on his blog and in those communities.

it was a time when there wasn't even a program to develop this type of game properly:

100% pure horse shit, he used unity, there were a lot of games being made using it and before that was flash / java.

For someone posing as a big fan and supporter you know almost nothing about him, his games or their history.

Now I know, you're going to jump in with I'm an idiot and I don't know what I'm talking about.... except this is the internet and many of the places he used and places that were around before him are still there.

So...





Here is myster himself posting in a community that isn't supposed to exist, advertising his blog and games in 2016. Names blocked due to this sites rules. You will also see myster joined the site feb 6 2016

and...



Here is a post from 2011, 5 years before he joined posting a game. Again names blocked due to this sites rules.

So as you can see pretty much everything you've claimed is wrong and I didn't even bring in ANY of the games from the east.

 

[Ad hominem 3]

Is this account you? https://f95zone.to/members/ad-hominem-2.1325110/ it's not banned. There's no account called 'Ad Hominem 1' 'Ad Hominem' or 'AdHominem' either.

Next you'll be claiming we're infringing your rights or the 1st ammendment. Don't like our rules? Then find a site whose rules and moderation you agree with. It's a wide web out there.

Adhominem 2 is not banned! This is a surprise, I haven't been able to log into it for years.

We like the rules, we don't like how you act anyway. This post was not for Retsym, it was to show how you act, how sycophants defend everything you do without questioning and how this ''private'' argument justifies any stupid decision. Now you can banish me, I will follow your advice.

 

[Ad hominem 3]

• You have 4 deleted posts in this thread. You deleted 3 of them yourself. The other was deleted by a moderator for multiple instances of name calling in a shitpost.
• You claim to have been banned twice before. Your first account, you deleted yourself and was not banned. Your second account was not banned and you just abandoned it.

Why do you feel the need to lie? Is it a victim complex?

I never deleted any account, why the hell would I create new accounts if I could access the forum with the first one? And with the same name? Two comments were deleted, one I made for Morphnet and one I made for Ryahn. And I wasn't the one who deleted them. I'm not lying, I'm not a victim of anything, I've already noticed from the volume of ''important people'', you coming here and all that that you definitely have some serious personal problem with Retsym. I doubt it was just a shota game thing, there are others here that are much worse than the crooked polygons he makes.

 

[Ad hominem 3]

Well let's fact check that shall we?

he was one of the first :

not even close, even in the west he came in years after the first ones

People think incest themed porn games started with lust, the twist, icstor, ntl media:

Maybe some do and the twist was inspired by his work BUT just like people who MIGHT think that, you are also wrong bumping him to the front of the line and calling him one of the first.

Everyone was influenced by him and they influenced the rest:

Not true, how could he have influenced those making games before him if he came along years later? Also many who came after him don't even know who he is, so no he didn't influence EVERYONE

He made games available for free on his website:

You know those communities you say didn't exist until he came along? well he made his unfinished projects available on his blog and in those communities.

it was a time when there wasn't even a program to develop this type of game properly:

100% pure horse shit, he used unity, there were a lot of games being made using it and before that was flash / java.

For someone posing as a big fan and supporter you know almost nothing about him, his games or their history.

Now I know, you're going to jump in with I'm an idiot and I don't know what I'm talking about.... except this is the internet and many of the places he used and places that were around before him are still there.

So...

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Here is myster himself posting in a community that isn't supposed to exist, advertising his blog and games in 2016. Names blocked due to this sites rules. You will also see myster joined the site feb 6 2016

and...

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Here is a post from 2011, 5 years before he joined posting a game. Again names blocked due to this sites rules.

So as you can see pretty much everything you've claimed is wrong and I didn't even bring in ANY of the games from the east.

Ok morphnet, I'll answer you in the most polite way possible.. You'll keep doing this even though I ignore you..

Who were the first to make incest porn games for PC then?

If you played all their games you would know, they were influenced by him... Some are ridiculous

I didn't say everyone, everyone on this topic was directly or indirectly. Let's stop with that, the biggest successes of the games here are with the theme that he spread, again, if you had played the games you would know that...

His games were free, today he decided to make money with them. Most likely he saw a lot of people making tons of money with his ideas, I would do the same.

It's not nonsense, even though the games are Renpy, it's just one guy and it was much more difficult to make, you know it's true. Most of the games with this theme were Graphic Novels from Japan made in RPGM that didn't even have translations.

 

[Sam]

I never deleted any account, why the hell would I create new accounts if I could access the forum with the first one? And with the same name? Two comments were deleted, one I made for Morphnet and one I made for Ryahn. And I wasn't the one who deleted them. I'm not lying, I'm not a victim of anything, I've already noticed from the volume of ''important people'', you coming here and all that that you definitely have some serious personal problem with Retsym. I doubt it was just a shota game thing, there are others here that are much worse than the crooked polygons he makes.

Your first account showing up as 'Guest' means you deleted your account during a narrow period where the self-delete feature marked deleted accounts as guests, so you must have deleted it. If you had been previously banned, I'd have banned your current account for ban evasion, but as that isn't the case, all is good.

Only one of your posts were deleted by a moderator. The rest were deleted by yourself.

Hey, why did you quote "important people"? I'll have you know I'm incredibly important, don't air quote that.

 

[Ad hominem 3]

Your first account showing up as 'Guest' means you deleted your account during a narrow period where the self-delete feature marked deleted accounts as guests, so you must have deleted it. If you had been previously banned, I'd have banned your current account for ban evasion, but as that isn't the case, all is good.

Only one of your posts were deleted by a moderator. The rest were deleted by yourself.

Hey, why did you quote "important people"? I'll have you know I'm incredibly important, don't air quote that.

I'll tell you my theory. It's not a lie. I was always ''banned'' for the same reason. I criticized Lust and Passion, or spoke badly about it in a comment. Soon after, I tried to access the forum and couldn't, it stayed like that for months, without anyone explaining anything. I created another account and the process started again. Not to mention the deleted comments, all on the same topic... Lust and Passion.

I've been as disrespectful as in comments on other games, I've cursed. Nothing ever happened, even here I'm cursing the administrator and even saying that I had more accounts.. And no banning.. My theory is that there is an unwritten rule about Lust and Passion because it is your goose that lays the golden eggs, since many donors and forum members are here because of him.. Does it make sense?

To top it off, this post would end with Ryahn saying that the ban would be maintained. I wouldn't say anything more... The fact that you came here, with people trying every possible way, even with prints, to try to contradict what I said shows me that this theory is very plausible.

 

[morphnet]

Dear companions, partners of so many years of piracy. I come today not as an adhominem, but as a defender,

An injustice happened and we need to talk about it.

The father of incest games, one of the oldest developers on internet: Myster the Man, or for those who are new: Retsymthenam, has been permanently banned from this forum. Reason: ''many realistic shota games''..

This post was not for Retsym

So you lied again....

it was to show how you act

Handing out bans for breaking site rules.

how sycophants defend everything you do without questioning

What is there to question? The rules were there before he joined and before any of his games were added. They CLEARLY broke the rules.

how this ''private'' argument justifies any stupid decision

You mean fact not argument, this is a private forum, you agreed to abide by it's rules. When someone like you, who purposely misleads and lies and clearly doesn't care about the community at all calls decisions stupid, it's generally a sign the decisions are on the right track and doing a good thing.

Now you can banish me, I will follow your advice.

in case you forgot where it is since the last time you used it.

Who were the first to make incest porn games for PC then?

The Japanese

If you played all their games you would know, they were influenced by him... Some are ridiculous

They were made many years before he even started making games.
Then there were flash / java games before he even started making games.

I didn't say everyone

Everyone was influenced by him and they influenced the rest.

everyone on this topic was directly or indirectly.

It couldn't have been the flash games that came before, the Japanese games that came before, erotic literature, cartoons spawning parodies, tv shows or movies.... you're saying it was him... a dev most people never heard of.

Let's stop with that, the biggest successes of the games here are with the theme that he spread, again, if you had played the games you would know that...

I bet that is news to illusion and the others....

It's not nonsense, even though the games are Renpy, it's just one guy and it was much more difficult to make, you know it's true.

How is it possible for you to mess up this badly EVERY time.... it's UNITY and NOT renpy.... He made the posts himself stating it's UNITY....



Also how difficult it is to make does NOT = no one else making them. There were, are and will be solo dev's in the future.

He wasn't the first or even one of the first to make incest games, he wasn't the first or even one of the first to use unity to make games and he wasn't the first or even one of the first to use K17 to do it.

Most of the games with this theme were Graphic Novels from Japan made in RPGM that didn't even have translations.

100% wrong, they didn't use rpgm for the early ones, the later ones use a visual novel engine and they made rpg's using old rpgm and other rpg engines....

I notice you fail to address the images I posted. There were games starting from the late 80's early 90's and he showed up in 2016 but there are dev's posting from 2011 so he's not even one of the first in the west...

 

[DumpTruckLover]

I don't know the person you are talking about, but there are certain rules here. It doesn't matter how long you have been on the site or how important you are; the rules are clear for everyone.

 

[anne O'nymous]

His games are older, he was one of the first.

Wait, he was already doing indie adult/porn games in the 90's? Must have missed them, where they like the Japaneses games, or more like ones made by XXX studios?

It's just that some kids here think that incest-themed porn games started with Lust and Patience.

*sigh* It's neither "Lust and Passion" like you said previously, nor "Lust and Patience", like you say now, but "Lesson of Passion". And the studio exist since

You must be registered to see the links

, date where they registered their website for the first time.

He made the games available for free on his website,

So, like Fen when he started Corruption of Champions,

You must be registered to see the links

...
And I name him because he's the most known, not because he's the first, nor the only one. I could have named others, like by example Lithier (My Very Own Lith),

You must be registered to see the links

.

it was a time when there wasn't even a program to develop this type of game properly.

Unity started in 2005, Ren'Py in 2004. And before them there were already Java and Flash, that were perfectly capable when put in knowledgeable hands, without forgetting the grandfather, RPG Maker, that was released for the first time in 1992.

That's why they're ''rough'' games, it's always been that way.

So, why, Elena Champion of Lust, or Behind the Dune (to only name two well known, and to stay on the Western side of the adult gaming scene), both started when MysterTheMan started to make games, and both done with the good old Flash, are 100 times more polished and bug free?

[...] I'm discussing permanent banning of someone who did a lot indirectly for this forum.

No, you're exposing your total lack of knowledge regarding the adult gaming scene, what is different.

Your idol did absolutely nothing, directly or indirectly, that had an impact, neither on the adult gaming scene, nor on this forum. His old games weren't even this known, and clearly less known that the good old classics like the four I named, or Strumpets and Simbro by example.

 

[Ad hominem 3]

So you lied again....



Handing out bans for breaking site rules.



What is there to question? The rules were there before he joined and before any of his games were added. They CLEARLY broke the rules.



You mean fact not argument, this is a private forum, you agreed to abide by it's rules. When someone like you, who purposely misleads and lies and clearly doesn't care about the community at all calls decisions stupid, it's generally a sign the decisions are on the right track and doing a good thing.



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in case you forgot where it is since the last time you used it.



The Japanese



They were made many years before he even started making games.
Then there were flash / java games before he even started making games.








It couldn't have been the flash games that came before, the Japanese games that came before, erotic literature, cartoons spawning parodies, tv shows or movies.... you're saying it was him... a dev most people never heard of.



I bet that is news to illusion and the others....





How is it possible for you to mess up this badly EVERY time.... it's UNITY and NOT renpy.... He made the posts himself stating it's UNITY....

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Also how difficult it is to make does NOT = no one else making them. There were, are and will be solo dev's in the future.

He wasn't the first or even one of the first to make incest games, he wasn't the first or even one of the first to use unity to make games and he wasn't the first or even one of the first to use K17 to do it.



100% wrong, they didn't use rpgm for the early ones, the later ones use a visual novel engine and they made rpg's using old rpgm and other rpg engines....

I notice you fail to address the images I posted. There were games starting from the late 80's early 90's and he showed up in 2016 but there are dev's posting from 2011 so he's not even one of the first in the west...

Look, if you have a problem with me, let's arrange a meeting and you can "argue".. If you're not a moderator and you're advocating someone's PERMANENT ban, what kind of guy are you?

 

[Ad hominem 3]

Wait, he was already doing indie adult/porn games in the 90's? Must have missed them, where they like the Japaneses games, or more like ones made by XXX studios?




*sigh* It's neither "Lust and Passion" like you said previously, nor "Lust and Patience", like you say now, but "Lesson of Passion". And the studio exist since

You must be registered to see the links

, date where they registered their website for the first time.




So, like Fen when he started Corruption of Champions,

You must be registered to see the links

...
And I name him because he's the most known, not because he's the first, nor the only one. I could have named others, like by example Lithier (My Very Own Lith),

You must be registered to see the links

.




Unity started in 2005, Ren'Py in 2004. And before them there were already Java and Flash, that were perfectly capable when put in knowledgeable hands, without forgetting the grandfather, RPG Maker, that was released for the first time in 1992.




So, why, Elena Champion of Lust, or Behind the Dune (to only name two well known, and to stay on the Western side of the adult gaming scene), both started when MysterTheMan started to make games, and both done with the good old Flash, are 100 times more polished and bug free?




No, you're exposing your total lack of knowledge regarding the adult gaming scene, what is different.

Your idol did absolutely nothing, directly or indirectly, that had an impact, neither on the adult gaming scene, nor on this forum. His old games weren't even this known, and clearly less known that the good old classics like the four I named, or Strumpets and Simbro by example.

Wait, he was already doing indie adult/porn games in the 90's? Must have missed them, where they like the Japaneses games, or more like ones made by XXX studios?




*sigh* It's neither "Lust and Passion" like you said previously, nor "Lust and Patience", like you say now, but "Lesson of Passion". And the studio exist since

You must be registered to see the links

, date where they registered their website for the first time.




So, like Fen when he started Corruption of Champions,

You must be registered to see the links

...
And I name him because he's the most known, not because he's the first, nor the only one. I could have named others, like by example Lithier (My Very Own Lith),

You must be registered to see the links

.




Unity started in 2005, Ren'Py in 2004. And before them there were already Java and Flash, that were perfectly capable when put in knowledgeable hands, without forgetting the grandfather, RPG Maker, that was released for the first time in 1992.




So, why, Elena Champion of Lust, or Behind the Dune (to only name two well known, and to stay on the Western side of the adult gaming scene), both started when MysterTheMan started to make games, and both done with the good old Flash, are 100 times more polished and bug free?




No, you're exposing your total lack of knowledge regarding the adult gaming scene, what is different.

Your idol did absolutely nothing, directly or indirectly, that had an impact, neither on the adult gaming scene, nor on this forum. His old games weren't even this known, and clearly less known that the good old classics like the four I named, or Strumpets and Simbro by example.

I'm not a fan, I would defend you if you were permanently banned for nonsense like that too.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I would defend you if you were permanently banned for nonsense like that too.

Please, pretty please, don't.

If ever I'm banned, I want to have a chance to make Sam and F95 change their mind...

 

[morphnet]

I'll tell you my theory. It's not a lie. I was always ''banned'' for the same reason. I criticized Lust and Passion, or spoke badly about it in a comment. Soon after, I tried to access the forum and couldn't, it stayed like that for months, without anyone explaining anything. I created another account and the process started again. Not to mention the deleted comments, all on the same topic... Lust and Passion.

I've been as disrespectful as in comments on other games, I've cursed. Nothing ever happened, even here I'm cursing the administrator and even saying that I had more accounts.. And no banning.. My theory is that there is an unwritten rule about Lust and Passion because it is your goose that lays the golden eggs, since many donors and forum members are here because of him.. Does it make sense?

So your claim is they ban AND DON'T ban for criticizing lust and passion.
Your claim is that these "mean" mods and staff are not banning you but letting you have your say.
and your claim is that even though you admit to being disrespectful, cursing the administrator and asking them to ban you, they haven't and have let you continue to reply and make your case?

To top it off, this post would end with Ryahn saying that the ban would be maintained.

Yes the ban on the games / dev. Not hard to understand.

I wouldn't say anything more... The fact that you came here, with people trying every possible way, even with prints, to try to contradict what I said shows me that this theory is very plausible.

So to make sure there is NO misunderstanding they come in and give an official answer and you claim that is bad?
Also I came in here of my own choosing, I saw the nonsense you were writing and decided to make sure the correct information was available.

I also didn't "try" to contradict you, I flat out showed you are wrong, you lied and you don't know what you are talking about.

Now for future reference

Myster was a small time dev who made a handful of mostly unfinished games years ago
He then disappeared
He showed up again under a new name and posted a bunch of games against the sites rules
then came the ban.
It really is that simple.

Look, if you have a problem with me, let's arrange a meeting and you can "argue". You can bring your friends who are Lust and Milker fans along, I know you're here...

If you're not a moderator and you're advocating someone's PERMANENT ban, what kind of guy are you?

Let me be VERY CLEAR, I am NOT in any way, shape or form a MODERATOR. I am speaking / replying as a member of this community.

Am I advocating someone's permanent ban for breaking the rules YES! 100% YES
Am I advocating the removal of content that places the community and site in danger YES! 100% YES

What kind of guy are YOU who puts his fap session over the safety and wellbeing of this community and this site?
The fact you can get EVERYTHING not allowed here other places makes it even worse.

 

[Ad hominem 3]

Please, pretty please, don't.

If ever I'm banned, I want to have a chance to make Sam and F95 change their mind...

You're right, You wouldn't need it... Your shiny medal guarantees that... Ah! Do you have a group of sycophants on discord who monitor the posts criticizing the forum or is it just you and morphnet who do this in every post?

 

[Ad hominem 3]

So your claim is they ban AND DON'T ban for criticizing lust and passion.
Your claim is that these "mean" mods and staff are not banning you but letting you have your say.
and your claim is that even though you admit to being disrespectful, cursing the administrator and asking them to ban you, they haven't and have let you continue to reply and make your case?



Yes the ban on the games / dev. Not hard to understand.



So to make sure there is NO misunderstanding they come in and give an official answer and you claim that is bad?
Also I came in here of my own choosing, I saw the nonsense you were writing and decided to make sure the correct information was available.

I also didn't "try" to contradict you, I flat out showed you are wrong, you lied and you don't know what you are talking about.

Now for future reference

Myster was a small time dev who made a handful of mostly unfinished games years ago
He then disappeared
He showed up again under a new name and posted a bunch of games against the sites rules
then came the ban.
It really is that simple.







Let me be VERY CLEAR, I am NOT in any way, shape or form a MODERATOR. I am speaking / replying as a member of this community.

Am I advocating someone's permanent ban for breaking the rules YES! 100% YES
Am I advocating the removal of content that places the community and site in danger YES! 100% YES

What kind of guy are YOU who puts his fap session over the safety and wellbeing of this community and this site?
The fact you can get EVERYTHING not allowed here other places makes it even worse.

You don't have a conversation bro, the invitation is made, the only comment that was skipped... Just send me private.

Ah, I just have to apologize for one thing.. I was wrong to think you was a fan of Lust and Passion.. I saw your comments, you're just a doormat for the moderators and you go to every post that criticizes the forum to defend them. I'm even more eager to "argue"... You don't know how much I love flatterers.

 

[Ad hominem 3]

I don't know the person you are talking about, but there are certain rules here. It doesn't matter how long you have been on the site or how important you are; the rules are clear for everyone.

You're wrong, I don't want to involve the names of more developers, many of them are good people, they do great work, but you don't need to believe me. Go to the latest updates, type ''shota'' and in the sorting box choose likes... I counted nine games on the first page alone that were supposed to be banned for the same reasons. What do I do? Am I telling a lie like everyone else is saying above?