VN Ren'Py Innocent Witches [v0.11 Alpha] [Sad Crab]

[JoeBanks]

if I might jump into this conversation a little and have a stupid question... you are saying that re-making the bad part is not a priority and that your current focus is a new content. How will ppl play this new content while, like 70% of them, arent able to get past the old content? Sure, you can throw in a skip choice to avoid the bad part and throw players out in the middle of the game where they got no idea whats going on, who are they or who they should be talking to about certain things but Im not sure that this is a great choice.
I'd say re-making the bad part to be playable for once should bring more ppl in, even those that official dumped this game before. Erase 40% of the text (not rewriting it, erasing it. You can bring ppl by rewriting the current "story" into a good story but it would really need to be a good story, not just anything avarage), add some more spicy things in there, more stuff do to, things like that to make it more lively, active, busy).

Lots of ppl dont take critique well so im trying to be as polite as i possibly can but I really think that adding new content instead of rewriting old one will not help you much there.
Best of luck!

The journal will be updated to be massively more clearer, the hinting will get better, the gameplay simplified. I will probably do something about the mailing letters portion, to many UI clicks, time can be forwarded with right clicks, there are short cuts, but no one knows what they are.

The issue is being torn 2 different directions. And the concept I have is relatively simple, finish the game, THEN fix all that. It's much easier to make a coherent story good, even out of a mess after the fact. This is why novels are edited after completion, and usually only chapter drafts are handled in writers groups for peer review vs editing.

Someone here was a professional writer, they can probably attest to it making more sense to finish than to try to edit mid way and hoping everything makes sense.

 

[Sancrest]

The journal will be updated to be massively more clearer, the hinting will get better, the gameplay simplified. I will probably do something about the mailing letters portion, to many UI clicks, time can be forwarded with right clicks, there are short cuts, but no one knows what they are.

The issue is being torn 2 different directions. And the concept I have is relatively simple, finish the game, THEN fix all that. It's much easier to make a coherent story good, even out of a mess after the fact. This is why novels are edited after completion, and usually only chapter drafts are handled in writers groups for peer review vs editing.

Someone here was a professional writer, they can probably attest to it making more sense to finish than to try to edit mid way and hoping everything makes sense.

If you let me give some suggestions; there is a chunk of unnecessary content at the beginning; like bribing Hagrid etc... These can be removed since it does not add anything to the game. It is easy and can be done in a short amount of time.

 

[JoeBanks]

If you let me give some suggestions; there is a chunk of unnecessary content at the beginning; like bribing Hagrid etc... These can be removed since it does not add anything to the game. It is easy and can be done in a short amount of time.

There are and will be huge and vast portions cut and adjusted over time:



I did this about 2 months ago, adjusted the Hermione chapter 4 text, massively. Not a single mention of it from players. But when I make new content and fix the really bad things first, people seem to appreciate it.

Yes, the non-plot driven dialogue, that adds nothing but words to the story will be cut out almost completely unless there's some kind of lore that's cool, or it adds humor.

The problem is with all things, time, time, time I mean, it's 250k words, it's insane.

 

[Sancrest]

There are and will be huge and vast portions cut and adjusted over time:

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I did this about 2 months ago, adjusted the Hermione chapter 4 text, massively. Not a single mention of it from players. But when I make new content and fix the really bad things first, people seem to appreciate it.

Yes, the non-plot driven dialogue, that adds nothing but words to the story will be cut out almost completely unless there's some kind of lore that's cool, or it adds humor.

The problem is with all things, time, time, time I mean, it's 250k words, it's insane.

I will keep my one star review for now. But I will follow this game. I actually know the hardship of fixing a turd project. If you manage fix the game; then I will ofc change my review.

I hope you can fix the game. I am really curious about the behind the scenes story... (I haven't read the whole thread so if you explained it before just say so XD)

 

[HarryFlash]

Hi.
Might try it, thanks for the tip
but how does it work? is it like... new start or do you miss all the content from chapters 1-4? I dont know if it is a good idea to start playing in the middle of the game.

Its like a new start. You'll pick a waifu and begin from chapter 5. A couple of improvements off the top of my head will be you can train your stats much higher which will allow you to roam the school freely. You'll also be given an option to earn money by grading papers once a day. Also the story progress is nowhere near as difficult as the swimsuit quest.

 

[ramossi_0007]

Write a game no one will read and do it exceptionally well or focus on content and gameplay? I hope people respect that I will try to bring logical lewd content first.

Bru, this game takes a bit to get into but I love it and I am eager to play more. Waiting for more content, keep up the work, I know its hard. I been there

 

[Ratnedalu]

Not planned, keep getting asked, will get the main girl content out and then revisit her, so not for a while.

I really enjoy writing her a lot more, so I am definitely going to do something at some point.

What about Astoria, just outta curiosity? Witch Trainer Silver has her instead of Daphne, and they're about to redo her aged-up.
It's like, "If you're gonna age her up, why go with the younger sister? Just change it all to Daphne..."

Anywho, I think *someone* should put Astoria in their game >.>

 

[Deleted member 640098]

And you put it in the Innocent Witches\game\saves folder?

Yes. It’s in the innocent witches\game\saves folder. I tried redownloading the save. I removed and deleted the two autosaves that were in the game\savefolder. Put the redownloaded save back in the folder and it’s still showing the auto save.

 

[Nikolayev]

Is the link in the OP the most recent version? If not, where is the most recent version that is available? I'm pretty sure I am stuck at a wall of unfinished content with my version. Luna is stuck at 0/6 on weekends and I heard that was because of having an old version.

 

[JoeBanks]

Yes. It’s in the innocent witches\game\saves folder. I tried redownloading the save. I removed and deleted the two autosaves that were in the game\savefolder. Put the redownloaded save back in the folder and it’s still showing the auto save.

I mean, even if you got the wrong version, you would see it in the first tab. You can clear your appdata/Renpy/Innocent_Witches folder as well.

 

[Happytimes1]

How do you level up Sonya? I see a screen with a lot of gems and a "Raise Her Level" button but I can't seem to click anything.

Edit: Having her try on different outfits matching the gem type seems to raise the bar. I think I got it now.

 

[pc arcangel]

new save please

 

[RedPillBlues]

Also, making a game that's purely sex without any game is not what we are after.

You already have 5 games worth of narrative though. You could throw in 10 sex scenes in this game and it wouldn't feel out of place at all. The focus of this game for years has been solely narrative (and backgrounds lol). I don't know why you would even include that in your post.

Also I quite doubt the 2020 release date, as it just isn't possible in any form what so ever unless things change super drastically; even more then they already have with you joining the team. Even if the artist were to produce a scene EVERY month, the game would still feel wholly unfinished by the time 2020 rolls around. I mean what, that's 2 scenes for every main girl? A foreplay scene and a single sex scene? That's assuming he can actually pull that off, which is like the bear minimum. How is the artist going to actually handle things going forward?

 

[welper]

Only just picked this up recently and it is pretty good! Bit confusing at times but i am making my way through.
Have a couple of questions though, if someone is able to help me:
The mini game with Luna's dreams, using the pills on the weekend don't seem to do anything, is this not added yet or am I missing something?

The Game of Wits with Heromine I suck at immensely, can't beat the very fist puzzle, have done the concedeing thing to get more time, doesn't help. Is this randomised and if not is there a guide to help?

Thank you

 

[IdarksoulsI]

Only just picked this up recently and it is pretty good! Bit confusing at times but i am making my way through.
Have a couple of questions though, if someone is able to help me:
The mini game with Luna's dreams, using the pills on the weekend don't seem to do anything, is this not added yet or am I missing something?

The Game of Wits with Heromine I suck at immensely, can't beat the very fist puzzle, have done the concedeing thing to get more time, doesn't help. Is this randomised and if not is there a guide to help?

Thank you

Luna shows more on weekends, don't know why she doesn't for you. Game of Wits is randomized, you can get lucky and finish it by moving only one tile. (also you can cheat)

Error when trying to decrypt Ginny's diary. Also the ability to grade papers never appears. All in 0.4.1F

The ability to grade papers only unlocked after I was almost finished with the main story. Don't know the actual trigger though.
My feedback after playing the game again since v0.3.something:
- Act 4 is still a mess but I know that you know
- Act 5 looks promising so far:

good:
Ginny scene is excellent
mini games (50%, look at 'bad')
the quest book is useful at last !!!
art and sound in general, contrary to others I have no problem with the ui
interaction with pictures is fun
visible stats requirements are an useful improvement

'bad':
needs more ways to earn money and needs to start earlier, why not adding mini games that earn you money the better you are?
bonus system for improving stats isn't working
!!!the skipping mechanics are terrible!!! (what's the reason to not use the standard one?)
every mechanic that forces me to wait a week is terrible and needs to be shortened
mini games, I like them hard but they need to be more rewarding for the hardest parts, don't make them too grindy
voyeuristic scenes are too slow (see skipping problem) (maybe don't add 'with dissolve' to everything)

Overall I see quite a lot improvement since Joe helps the team, quality of that level takes time.

edit:
JoeBanks I edited my post while you were answering

 

[JoeBanks]

You already have 5 games worth of narrative though. You could throw in 10 sex scenes in this game and it wouldn't feel out of place at all. The focus of this game for years has been solely narrative (and backgrounds lol). I don't know why you would even include that in your post.

Also I quite doubt the 2020 release date, as it just isn't possible in any form what so ever unless things change super drastically; even more then they already have with you joining the team. Even if the artist were to produce a scene EVERY month, the game would still feel wholly unfinished by the time 2020 rolls around. I mean what, that's 2 scenes for every main girl? A foreplay scene and a single sex scene? That's assuming he can actually pull that off, which is like the bear minimum. How is the artist going to actually handle things going forward?

I mean at 1 sex scene a month end of 2020 that's what, 15 more sex scenes, which is like.... 3 per main girl, not all will get forplay or oral. I think it's doable. I am human, could be wrong. Story wise, I don't have to really do much, but I will be drastically changing the entire flow of the game once the engine is reworked (behind the scenes, non-impacting to release schedule) which should be done beginning of next year.

Imagine the game flows through waifu, you don't have to do everything 4 times and drastically kill the text wall.

Maybe end of 2020 isn't quite it, but much longer, I would doubt. Also, each sex scene requires a background, once those backgrounds are done, making a scene is closer to 2 weeks. So the pace will increase. The story is where it needs to be to start adding the sex.

Also artist is still part time, tax reasons, sadly. If this changes, many things will change.

Also, my plans chapter wise seem to be running close to a full chapter every 2-3 months, so it all lines up. We will probably need sex scenes filled in, but that might beyond my time. I can in fact write the game ahead, add code ahead and just not unlock the ability to reach it.

 

[RedPillBlues]

I mean at 1 sex scene a month end of 2020 that's what, 15 more sex scenes, which is like.... 3 per main girl, not all will get forplay or oral. I think it's doable. I am human, could be wrong. Story wise, I don't have to really do much, but I will be drastically changing the entire flow of the game once the engine is reworked (behind the scenes, non-impacting to release schedule) which should be done beginning of next year.

Imagine the game flows through waifu, you don't have to do everything 4 times and drastically kill the text wall.

Maybe end of 2020 isn't quite it, but much longer, I would doubt. Also, each sex scene requires a background, once those backgrounds are done, making a scene is closer to 2 weeks. So the pace will increase. The story is where it needs to be to start adding the sex.

Also artist is still part time, tax reasons, sadly. If this changes, many things will change.

I mean there's already scenes for characters that are not the main cast, so I was accommodating for future ones of that kind. I mean it would be weird for the only 2 sex scenes that aren't a part of the main cast to be a ghost and grandma. Also since the Artist isn't full time apparently, for whatever reason, don't you think it would be a good idea for the next goal to be to get him to full time instead of "additional specialists" effectively thinning the revenue even further?

 

[JoeBanks]

I mean there's already scenes for characters that are not the main cast, so I was accommodating for future ones of that kind. I mean it would be weird for the only 2 sex scenes that aren't a part of the main cast to be a ghost and grandma. Also since the Artist isn't full time apparently, for whatever reason, don't you think it would be a good idea for the next goal to be to get him to full time instead of "additional specialists" effectively thinning the revenue even further?

That is actually the next goal. Patreon goals are just generic from the initial set up of the page.

 

[welper]

Luna shows more on weekends, don't know why she doesn't for you. Game of Wits is randomized, you can get lucky and finish it by moving only one tile. (also you can cheat)

Weird, she doesn't show anything more on the weekend for me. Just the same thing each time, doesn't get marked off in the journal either.

How does one cheat at the game of wits? Do you mean just having the time increased?

 

[Sparkwolf]

Anybody know how to trigger the short skirts ?

Also can you actually see the Pin Up and Cheerleader underwear in game or are they just in the files to be used at a later date?