VN Ren'Py Innocent Witches [v0.11 Alpha] [Sad Crab]

[Loopy]

What I am trying to point out is this: the core of the game, the really, Really shitty writing, is clearly being done by the main person behind this whole project.

You're probably right that the terrible writing is intrinsic. However, there's always been kind of a core team, since even the Witch Trainer 1.6 days, and without going through forum posts it's hard to say who had what responsibilities. Everything, from job descriptions to polls about how to decorate links, is always couched in the same stupid purple prose as you find in the game.

I know Khan has been around since the team's beginning. I had the impression early on that he was the coder, and one of the other guys was doing the writing. But maybe he was always a writer who only coded grudgingly, and now coding has primarily passed onto "Boatswain Andy". Now if I could just figure what a "navigator" does with respect to game dev, and what a "quartermeister" even is, I might be able to speculate how likely it is the head writer could depart without taking down the whole project.

 

[Zellemate]

You're probably right that the terrible writing is intrinsic. However, there's always been kind of a core team, since even the Witch Trainer 1.6 days, and without going through forum posts it's hard to say who had what responsibilities. Everything, from job descriptions to polls about how to decorate links, is always couched in the same stupid purple prose as you find in the game.

I know Khan has been around since the team's beginning. I had the impression early on that he was the coder, and one of the other guys was doing the writing. But maybe he was always a writer who only coded grudgingly, and now coding has primarily passed onto "Boatswain Andy". Now if I could just figure what a "navigator" does with respect to game dev, and what a "quartermeister" even is, I might be able to speculate how likely it is the head writer could depart without taking down the whole project.

So i was actually a trustee way back before i leaked version 0.0.3 and got banned, to my knowledge Khan is not the writer, and one of the team members is, and they have literally tons of story, page after page after page. But i'm pretty sure Khan is the one instructing what they want in the game of all this writing so he is the one pulling the strings. And I do respect their team, but Khan is really stubborn and old fashioned. Which is both good and bad. The bad is he will properly not see many changes with the writing(maybe spelling and grammar improvements). The good is he is the one holding the team together, which he have done for a long time now. And even for all their critics over the years they are still improving both art and engine. (easy to see if you compare version 003 with 004s). Their problem imo is Khan want a perfect first official public release of 0.1, and this is why they keep delaying.

 

[IdarksoulsI]

If the head writer leaves now and takes every bit of "story" with him no one would care.

 

[Loopy]

Sort of a hands-on director/designer role, then. That tracks with what I recall. Khan was generally the one doing outreach, and he responded cordially to people's complaints about the text in WT 1.6, and to my bug reports about it. At least until I pissed him off by suggesting that their ideas seemed to be building on Akabur's mistakes rather than improving the game. He was strangely adamant that taking a game where you mostly wrote reports, so you could buy books to get better at writing reports, so you could write still more reports, so you could buy books to make you better at imagining sex you mostly never saw, and adding a few new menus with more purchasable books, as well as printing presses and cameras, so you could send girls out into the grounds as "reporters" and have them come back and describe (exclusively in text) how they were violated on their trip, was a major innovation in game-play.

 

[Zellemate]

Sort of a hands-on director/designer role, then. That tracks with what I recall. Khan was generally the one doing outreach, and he responded cordially to people's complaints about the text in WT 1.6, and to my bug reports about it. At least until I pissed him off by suggesting that their ideas seemed to be building on Akabur's mistakes rather than improving the game. He was strangely adamant that taking a game where you mostly wrote reports, so you could buy books to get better at writing reports, so you could write still more reports, so you could buy books to make you better at imagining sex you mostly never saw, and adding a few new menus with more purchasable books, as well as printing presses and cameras, so you could send girls out into the grounds as "reporters" and have them come back and describe (exclusively in text) how they were violated on their trip, was a major innovation in game-play.

Ye sounds about right, i don't think they had a proper artist back then. They did release all their "old artworks" from that time and its really poor art compared to their new artwork(no offense). But again their current artist is really top of the line and i heard on discord it took around 2-3 weeks per artwork. Their current artist "scerg" ->

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) really really impressive stuff imo.

 

[SentryAl]

Yeh Scerg is unbelievable good, I'm just wondering how much it takes to pictures draw with so many details.
Usually all adult games art is plain, here it looks better than in real life

 

[Hotar88]

This "Team" is playing with the people, is funny, almost every news, they say, "we changed some lines code, we changed or re-writed some dialogues". This people could stop with the dialogue/story, you read like 3 hours, just in the beggin, in a porn game is to much. I don't want to think how much we will read in the final version, like 40 hours of text and 4 pictures.
PD: a porn game without sex, nudes and nothing, you can "play" like 3 hours and has no content.

Meh, one more guy who thinks that this's a porn game. Who said that they're doing a PORN game?
You just made a mistake with the game. Want a porn game?
Then play in the BB-, DMD-, DoD-like games, Trainer-like games (Witch Trainer for example).
Don't want to read a lot of text or just to see it, then just skip them or pass through the IW.

Nooo, ofc to you decide what and how to do, exactly to you.
Just no need to complain about absence of sex content in erotic game and a lot of text in totally incomplete game.

Yeah, this game has a great art but little content, still in the development long time and etc...
But lets just see that will be exactly after release of the new version.

Regards.

 

[Loopy]

Every time Sad Crab replies to someone asking when sex scenes will be in the game, they use some variation of "as soon as possible", going all the way back to the release of 0.0.001 or whatever. It might be a language barrier thing, but it doesn't seem so. At the very least it's not entirely the language barrier.

So their mission statements, if they can be called that, are vague to the point of uselessness, and could easily be describing something that's barely erotic, or a Super Deep Throat knockoff. However, their efforts at engagement with their patrons seem to make it clear that they don't actually intend this to be a mostly sexless romp through a Choose Your Own Adventure fan-fic the length of one of the longer Rowling novels. It seems reasonable to wonder when they'll get around to doing something that's been an "ASAP" priority for the better part of two years.

 

[smite2001]

Meh, one more guy who thinks that this's a porn game. Who said that they're doing a PORN game ?

A picture of Hermione taking her panties off next to a stack of sextoys is the clearest promise of sex content you can make. And that has been the menu background since forever. If at some point they decided to go from "sex game" to "mildy dirty game" theyd be obligated to change that picture asap, and clarify it on their patreon to the people directly asking them about it.

Also, here is an excerpt from the most recent public announcement: "Our initial idea was to integrate the initial stages of the proper erotic content into the public version, including some of the more explicit stuff."
If what you say is true, and there is no plan to include actual pornographic content, they are deliberately leading people on.

 

[Hotar88]

A picture of Hermione taking her panties off next to a stack of sextoys is the clearest promise of sex content you can make. And that has been the menu background since forever. If at some point they decided to go from "sex game" to "mildy dirty game" theyd be obligated to change that picture asap, and clarify it on their patreon to the people directly asking them about it.

Art, just erotic and a bit lewd art.
For a while no any sex or lewd content, so better to wait their next release.
And we will see that they made.

Also, here is an excerpt from the most recent public announcement: "Our initial idea was to integrate the initial stages of the proper erotic content into the public version, including some of the more explicit stuff."
If what you say is true, and there is no plan to include actual pornographic content, they are deliberately leading people on.

Sex and porn, erotic and lewd are very similar but not same, the difference in very essence of words.
Now, in the current version, only some erotic content introduced, no more.
All others, sex and lewd completely, will be in the release what including all acts.

There is announce about integration erotic or even sex content... ok. They can talk and write anything.
The end result will show everything, and we'll see if they've kept their promises.
And we'll see what they are capable of.

Regards.

 

[Loopy]

Yeah, see, you're assuming they've been in some way upfront about their intentions, so this quibbling over words that might be synonymous or not in context has some value. They haven't been that upfront. Their main Patreon page barely makes mention of the type of game they're making. The only choice of words that gives any clear signal is where it says "Sad Crab...is making Adult Games". You have to go back through about 90 posts to find where they gave an overview, and even that's pretty opaque about just what the game is supposed to be. On the way down through the feed, you find teaser images of girls being penetrated by their wands and the like, that this game grew out of another porn project, and that sexual content has been promised since the first build.

They're deliberately mysterious in their marketing. I don't know exactly why they do that, but it certainly doesn't serve them well, if their intention all along has been to make 50 Shade of Harry Potter with a PG-13 rating instead of the sort of game history and their own comments seem to indicate.

Will the next version pare down the text, fix the translation, and maybe have a sex scene? I don't know. We can only use the last 4 builds as a guide, and that points toward the game getting more verbose and impenetrable, while the story inches incrementally towards a skirt coming off. I hope I'm wrong, but I certainly won't contribute to their Patreon, recommend the game, or give a favorable review of it until they prove me so.

 

[Zellemate]

Since Sad Crab have done other sex games and mods of sex games, its pretty clear it will be a sex game. However they have not delivered on this yet in Innocent Witches. And I hope they will deliver in the end. One of their last messages on discord Khan said something about this next update is so big of a change its hard to compare version 0.0.4s with 0.1 and also pointing out there will be nude stuff in this version. So fingers crossed for some good lewd content please !

 

[SentryAl]

Meh, one more guy who thinks that this's a porn game. Who said that they're doing a PORN game ?
You just made a mistake with the game. Want a porn game ?
Then play in the BB-, DMD-, DoD-like games, Trainer-like games (Witch Trainer for example).
Don't want to read a lot of text or just to see it, then pass through the IW.

Nooo, ofc to you decide what and how to do, exactly to you.
Just no need to complain about absence of sex content in erotic game and a lot of text in totally incomplete game.

Yeah, this game has a great art but little content, still in the development long time and etc...
But lets just see that will be exactly after release of the new version.

Regards.

That's from last new from sad crab.
"Our initial idea was to integrate the initial stages of the proper erotic content into the public version, including some of the more explicit stuff."

also they posted nice wallpaper, which also has at least few sex toys.


the only bad thing that I see girls on the art are more mature. Doesn't look like schoolgirls anymore

 

[Hotar88]

Yeah, see, you're assuming they've been in some way upfront about their intentions, so this quibbling over words that might be synonymous or not in context has some value...

That's from last new from sad crab.
"Our initial idea was to integrate the initial stages of the proper erotic content into the public version, including some of the more explicit stuff."
also they posted nice wallpaper, which also has at least few sex toys.
the only bad thing that I see girls on the art are more mature. Doesn't look like schoolgirls anymore

I know all of this.
My post was that no need to treat this game so categorically for now.
It's better to wait for the new version and see what they did.
And then decide what kind of game really is, not to mention all their statements.

Either the game will be amazing: excellent art, cool story, enjoyable gameplay, divine fap-fap-fap...
or game will be a great disappointment.

Regards.

 

[Zellemate]

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So this is about all their current art they have released or teased at some point,
(of the more lewd kind that is) There is more art, but that involves more clothes.
I think the girls look pretty good, i would maybe say high school "age" for their looks.

 

[Zellemate]

Have they mentioned a possible release date?

Well they have already delayed it 2 times(2 months now) but its to release before end of May.
They are fine tuning the last bits and peaces(rumors say)

 

[smite2001]

the only bad thing that I see girls on the art are more mature. Doesn't look like schoolgirls anymore

I think the girls look pretty good, i would maybe say high school "age" for their looks.

I'd say they look 25-ish, not what I'd call mature. Definitely not high-school though, unless it's a high-school for girls with learning disabilities that have to repeat every grade at least once.

Have they mentioned a possible release date?

Even if they did, it would be worth less than a pair of clown-shoes.

My post was that no need to treat this game so categorically for now.
It's better to wait for the new version and see what they did.

I can only repeat my earlier opinion: if they are not making a porn game, they are deliberately deceptive about it. It's like Tesla presenting a new car prototype, promising amazing specs, collecting preorder money from people and then - after years of pushing the release further and further into the future and upping the price for preorders - saying: well, we never said it was going to be a street-legal car, did we?

 

[Hotar88]

I can only repeat my earlier opinion: if they are not making a porn game, they are deliberately deceptive about it. It's like Tesla presenting a new car prototype, promising amazing specs, collecting preorder money from people and then - after years of pushing the release further and further into the future and upping the price for preorders - saying: well, we never said it was going to be a street-legal car, did we?

They're making an adult erotic game with sex content, not just a porn game.
For me, mostly clear porn game is the Big Brother, Four Elements Trainer and etc.
Ofc, eventually, they can made a porn game similar that above but lets see what will be.

 

[Loopy]

This is kind of a weird discussion. You seem to be saying that the game isn't yet disappointing enough to justify commenting because the next release might be good and full of sex, but also that it isn't meant to be porn because, look, there's no porn in the can't-be-disappointing current release.

Using Big Brother is sort of contradictory I think. I popped in sort of late on that game, but as I recall, the first version I played required hours of grinding just to get someone's top off, and that was the end of the content. So it wasn't exactly a gonzo game either. I guess all it needed was another 50,000 words in the intro to qualify as "erotic", rather than "porn" until a later version changed the genre.

 

[NSoull]

This is kind of a weird discussion. You seem to be saying that the game isn't yet disappointing enough to justify commenting because the next release might be good and full of sex, but also that it isn't meant to be porn because, look, there's no porn in the can't-be-disappointing current release.

Using Big Brother is sort of contradictory I think. I popped in sort of late on that game, but as I recall, the first version I played required hours of grinding just to get someone's top off, and that was the end of the content. So it wasn't exactly a gonzo game either. I guess all it needed was another 50,000 words in the intro to qualify as "erotic", rather than "porn" until a later version changed the genre.

Why do you bother trying to reason with this dude? Guy is clearly all over the place and the pretentious way he writes doesn't help take him seriously. Don't feed him.