Others Insect Prison Remake [v1.30] [Eroism]

[Pandect]

I really hope AI loses because I cannot in good faith support a hentai/porn game that uses AI slop for its scenes.

Are you supporting this effort currently? I mean in a monetary fashion that matters, not just well wishes.

 

[Myrneko]

Unfortunately we are on a loosing end here. The original Artist refused his help, there are limited Assets of his Art that we CAN use. Adding 2-3 more scenes and things start to look same-y and copy pasted. There is other Atella Art out there, but we arnt allowed to use it.

This leaves creating new scenes ourself, which is a challenge. You have to jump though several hoops:

First, you want to keep the Art style of Atella in some way, so it doesnt end up like a mixture of Styles like in Ravager. It is hard to mimic a certain Art Style, that isnt your own.

Second, the way Scenes are made is dated and time consuming. It is like a flipbook with different images played in a pattern. For each tiny movement you will need another image. Newer games uses flash or modern animation programs to morph one picture into another. You can create basic loops with just 2-3 images. Unfortunately this doesnt work here.

So unfortunately AI is almost necessary, I think. The difference is how you use it.
I know there are countless"games" that uses AI as its main method. AI wirtten story, AI generated Art that all looks basic and same-y. Thats because these Devs lack passion and dont put much effort into their creations. They put together common assets to make a game to gain some money.

However Eroism has proven that he/she/it (how should we address you btw?) has the passion to use it as a mere tool, not a main production method. I have faith that Eroism will use AI sparingly to honor Atella and his legacy.

Everybody who voted "drawn by artists" should know that this will slow down the production significantly, with a high risk of the game staying unfinished or getting abandoned. Artists that have the talent and are willing to jump through all these hoops are rare and probably dont want to be credited for a game about Insects fucking young girls.

Oh, I'm curious, but I follow this thread since a long time but I couldn't keep up with it daily, so I don't know what happened with Atella, how is the situation with the original artist?

 

[Ronnie21093]

Everybody who voted "drawn by artists" should know that this will slow down the production significantly, with a high risk of the game staying unfinished or getting abandoned. Artists that have the talent and are willing to jump through all these hoops are rare and probably dont want to be credited for a game about Insects fucking young girls.

I'm personally fine with this as long as it means there's no scenes made with AI.
Also, I strongly feel like using AI would be a dishonor to Atella since it means feeding his art to a machine for AI generations to copy his style. Hell, has anyone even asked if Atella is okay with his art being used for AI generations? Most Japanese artists tend not to be okay with it.

 

[Pandect]

I'm personally fine with this as long as it means there's no scenes made with AI.
Also, I strongly feel like using AI would be a dishonor to Atella since it means feeding his art to a machine for AI generations to copy his style. Hell, has anyone even asked if Atella is okay with his art being used for AI generations? Most Japanese artists tend not to be okay with it.

You sure are passionate about this. Does this mean you're willing to shell out the money for the art for the game, or are you just talking a big game about how much you really hate AI and will complain harder if it's used, because as someone who actually paid and supported this effort with real money, I'm fine with AI.

 

[Tiydude]

I don't think raw AI art is good, but considering this is free and under quite a few constraints for content, I'm okay with placeholder AI art that is intended to be replaced.

 

[Ronnie21093]

You sure are passionate about this. Does this mean you're willing to shell out the money for the art for the game, or are you just talking a big game about how much you really hate AI and will complain harder if it's used, because as someone who actually paid and supported this effort with real money, I'm fine with AI.

If I knew of a way to support the game (Since Itchio nuked the ability to spend money on a bunch of NSFW games) then I wouldn't mind spending some money on the game if it means no AI slop.
If AI does start getting used for scenes though, I'll just stop commenting in the thread and stop following the game, since it'd be silly for me to stick around if that happens.

 

[PixelLewd]

Thing is, I doubt there's going to be any artist that can replicate Altera's style close enough WHILE also being a reasonable price for the amount of content this game will likely require.

This is one of those few cases where I kinda have to condone AI use, at least as long as its edited/fixed up and isn't just slapping in whatever the AI spits out as is.

Obviously not using it would be better, but I'm unsure how many other realistic options there are

 

[eroism]

I'm personally fine with this as long as it means there's no scenes made with AI.
Also, I strongly feel like using AI would be a dishonor to Atella since it means feeding his art to a machine for AI generations to copy his style. Hell, has anyone even asked if Atella is okay with his art being used for AI generations? Most Japanese artists tend not to be okay with it.

Those are legitimate concerns . I don't think it would be right to use his latest art from the paid works on the game I agree with you there. The original game art style is substantially different from his current works however.

At this point I'm more interested in knowing what would be the general consensus regarding the usage of AI and not yet locking into relying in it for the scenes, whence the poll, instead of just pulling a "this is how it is going to be", and all opinions are valid. Albeit I think AI assistance will be needed at some point to proceed or risk stalling the project, for now it remains to be seen.

Thank you for the input!

 

[Monki0]

Oh, I'm curious, but I follow this thread since a long time but I couldn't keep up with it daily, so I don't know what happened with Atella, how is the situation with the original artist?

As far as I know, he allowed the use of all scenes that were in the unfinished game, but he didn't allow to use his other or newer art. He also isn't interested to make new art for this game, even if paid.

Eroism asked him multiple times. Correct it if I got it wrong, Eroism.

 

[Pandect]

Those are legitimate concerns . I don't think it would be right to use his latest art from the paid works on the game I agree with you there. The original game art style is substantially different from his current works however.

At this point I'm more interested in knowing what would be the general consensus regarding the usage of AI and not yet locking into relying in it for the scenes, whence the poll, instead of just pulling a "this is how it is going to be", and all opinions are valid. Albeit I think AI assistance will be needed at some point to proceed or risk stalling the project, for now it remains to be seen.

Thank you for the input!

Then, as someone who paid real moneydollars, yes, I'm fine with it, given that "cheap" '1-girl posing background' commissions can run 150$ dollars a pop, and anything more complex rapidly pumps those numbers, do what you have to.

 

[The Petulant Imposter]

Good questions. First and foremost, AI will never be the first option, even if everyone is OK with it. So as long as we have CGs that can be edited into new scenes and people providing scenes, those will ideally take priority, unless completely out of the direction we wanted to take the story and next areas .

Now for your questions:

1. For new scenes yes, because the main issue is the limited set of poses and critters on the current CGs and very low budget to purchase new CGs. Cutting, recoloring and moving around can only take us so far at this point and we can't consistently depend on people who assists us for free. There is someone on discord training a Lora on Leah and the likeness of her poses and body to that of Atera's latest work is getting very close, so this could be a way to create the reference for new scenes OR the source CG for the new scenes. Usage will vary greatly depending on how people feels about it.

2. AI can make somewhat "fluid" animations, however the how to apply this is still something I'm trying to figure out. The option is more given the possibility.

So you would basically be making new poses/animations for Leah + animations/poses for existing and potentially new creatures entirely from scratch for reason of the limited asset pool? That changes things a bit... If AI eases the workload, then I'd say go for it. Nobody wants to see you burn out, yet a lot of people probably wouldn't like it if you go full ham with the AI either. Surely there's a middle ground there... somewhere. Whatever you decide to do, I'm here for it. I like what you've done with the game so far, and I 1,000% want to see more.

And thanks for answering my animation question.

 

[Myrneko]

As far as I know, he allowed the use of all scenes that were in the unfinished game, but he didn't allow to use his other or newer art. He also isn't interested to make new art for this game, even if paid.

Eroism asked him multiple times. Correct it if I got it wrong, Eroism.

That's unfortunate, I hope that we can find a way to get more art for the game..

 

[eroism]

As far as I know, he allowed the use of all scenes that were in the unfinished game, but he didn't allow to use his other or newer art. He also isn't interested to make new art for this game, even if paid.

Eroism asked him multiple times. Correct it if I got it wrong, Eroism.

That is mostly correct yes .

I made 3 requests to Atera. The first was the permission to freely use his old CGs for the remake, which he agreed with.

The second was the request to use his other CG collections that also feature Leah, more precisely the one with many characters, which he rejected.

The last was in option to the second request, if he would like to participate via commissions. Unfortunately to this last one I never got an answer for months, so I did nor press the proposition.

 

[Boss_of_this_gym]

I personally feel like this whole hysteria about AI is somewhat exaggerated, sure AI can generate shit but so is some creators, AI is just another tool after all, so as long as you use it wisely it only helps you. If you guys feel like you need its help then go for it, you proved yourself to be trustworthy.

 

[gottesurteil]

I personally feel like this whole hysteria about AI is somewhat exaggerated, sure AI can generate shit but so is some creators, AI is just another tool after all, so as long as you use it wisely it only helps you. If you guys feel like you need its help then go for it, you proved yourself to be trustworthy.

I actually really like AI art and have no problems with it. The ACTUAL problem... is when AI is trained on stolen art! Like of course it looks good when it completely mimics artists that are great. I remember when Sakimichan started posting art and I fucking loved it... and AI heavily 'borrows' *cough cough* from that style.

So yeah, no issues with AI per se... just was it ethically sourced.

Of course, as you said, if it's shit, it's shit. But so are many regular artists. I find it ridiculous when I see reviews disparage really well done AI art as 'AI slop'. If it's good it's good.

I'm also not an artist worrying about 'losing my job', so that doesn't affect me. I can see how some artists feel that way, and can totally respect their feelings... but at the same time, I'm sure people who handmade clothes felt the same way when Industrialization happened. It's tragic, but it's ever the way of society to progress into a more mass-produced style to 'feed' a growing population. I feel bad, but it's not going to go away. Just going to have to learn to adapt.