Kontralta

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They meant that this is fantasy so they (the ones nitpicking on the word futanari like it is an absolute term) should suspend their "normal" beliefs of what is considered normal in a fantasy fictional world.

It is a common expression "suspension of disbelief" and I use it many times when advising someone how to enjoy better sci-fi/fantasy settings or practically almost every fictional genre, that we should enter a suspension of disbelief "state of mind" so we enjoy better those genres, just enjoy the ride, try to not nitpick everything you see because it only give them internal "pain" :p.

Edit: You can always check this wikipedia entry to better understand the origin of the expression

I specially enjoy this quote from the wiki entry :
" Not all authors believe that "suspension of disbelief" adequately characterizes the audience's relationship to imaginative works of art. J. R. R. Tolkien challenged this concept in "On Fairy-Stories", choosing instead the paradigm of secondary belief based on inner consistency of reality: in order for the narrative to work, the reader must believe that what they read is true within the secondary reality of the fictional world. By focusing on creating an internally consistent fictional world, the author makes secondary belief possible. Tolkien argued that suspension of disbelief is only necessary when the work has failed to create secondary belief, saying that from that point on, the reader ceases to be immersed in the story and so must make a conscious effort to suspend their disbelief or else give up on it entirely. "

Tolkien was really a smart author and an excellent linguist, but in the end is just a question of semantic. I prefer to say suspension of disbelief than "paradigm" or "secondary belief" based on the inner consistency of reality. But I totally agree with Tolkien, sometimes the fictional world is so so so absurd that only by totally suspending disbelief you can enjoy very bad sci-fi/fantasy/fiction :LOL:. What totally isn't the case of Instinct Unleashed, it is not a work of art to the level of Tolkien work but it is a very good narrative for an AVN.
But the point isn't that it's fantasy. The point is that Jade doesn't look like a man at all, regardless of whether she's in fantasy or not. She's a woman with a dick, not a man with boobs.
 

MadfireMonkey

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It would be a terrible scenario and do nothing to improve the story. It would be extremely out of character for Jade to be forced into anything or be submissive to anyone. Jade is the conquering type. If you want to see that kind of content, there are plenty of other games around.
I don't want to see that either but she was knocked unconscious. I don't think her abductor would care if it's out of character for her to get fucked.
 

jadepaladin

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I don't want to see that either but she was knocked unconscious. I don't think her abductor would care if it's out of character for her to get fucked.
No, but the writer of the story would.

Jade came out of that relatively unscathed because the goal was to intimidate her into backing off. Whoever hired the thugs to kidnap her would have been rather displeased if they took liberties. It would have resulted in either a more pissed off Jade, or in an extreme circumstance, a dead Jade, which is clearly not intended.

The situation you're describing sounds like something that would happen on the Sopranos. Goons get orders, fuck them up by going too far, and then face consequences for their actions.
 

pitao

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But the point isn't that it's fantasy. The point is that Jade doesn't look like a man at all, regardless of whether she's in fantasy or not. She's a woman with a dick, not a man with boobs.
Oh ok got it, this all came with the ongoing pointless discussion about the futanari term is correctly used or not and though that member (that is ignored by me, so I didn't really saw the whole context) that was replied on in the beginning was on that too. My mistake, apologies.
 
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doovel

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They meant that this is fantasy so they (the ones nitpicking on the word futanari like it is an absolute term) should suspend their "normal" beliefs of what is considered normal in a fantasy fictional world.

It is a common expression "suspension of disbelief" and I use it many times when advising someone how to enjoy better sci-fi/fantasy settings or practically almost every fictional genre, that we should enter a suspension of disbelief "state of mind" so we enjoy better those genres, just enjoy the ride, try to not nitpick everything you see because it only give them internal "pain" :p.

Edit: You can always check this wikipedia entry to better understand the origin of the expression

I specially enjoy this quote from the wiki entry :
" Not all authors believe that "suspension of disbelief" adequately characterizes the audience's relationship to imaginative works of art. J. R. R. Tolkien challenged this concept in "On Fairy-Stories", choosing instead the paradigm of secondary belief based on inner consistency of reality: in order for the narrative to work, the reader must believe that what they read is true within the secondary reality of the fictional world. By focusing on creating an internally consistent fictional world, the author makes secondary belief possible. Tolkien argued that suspension of disbelief is only necessary when the work has failed to create secondary belief, saying that from that point on, the reader ceases to be immersed in the story and so must make a conscious effort to suspend their disbelief or else give up on it entirely. "

Tolkien was really a smart author and an excellent linguist, but in the end is just a question of semantic. I prefer to say suspension of disbelief than "paradigm" or "secondary belief" based on the inner consistency of reality. But I totally agree with Tolkien, sometimes the fictional world is so so so absurd that only by totally suspending disbelief you can enjoy very bad sci-fi/fantasy/fiction :LOL:. What totally isn't the case of Instinct Unleashed, it is not a work of art to the level of Tolkien work but it is a very good narrative for an AVN.
Though I fully agree with your post on the suspension of disbelief part, and especially with Tolkien. If we're going to wikipedia that, we really should also

Which states:
In today's language, it refers almost exclusively to characters who have a female or overall feminine body, but have both female and male primary genitalia (although a is not always present, while , a , and a are). The term is also often abbreviated as futa(s), which is also used as a generalized term for the works themselves.
So hardly a nitpick. It's people abusing the term to become a category containing "feminine characters with a penis", when it's fully female characters who in addition to all the female bits, also have male genitalia. (With or without balls)

Now I have no problem with Jade being just a dickgirl. But let's not remove all distinction from words, just because people abuse the term.
 

pitao

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Though I fully agree with your post on the suspension of disbelief part, and especially with Tolkien. If we're going to wikipedia that, we really should also

Which states:


So hardly a nitpick. It's people abusing the term to become a category containing "feminine characters with a penis", when it's fully female characters who in addition to all the female bits, also have male genitalia. (With or without balls)

Now I have no problem with Jade being just a dickgirl. But let's not remove all distinction from words, just because people abuse the term.
Yes I read that and other articles before, to be better informed while people were pointing out the obvious to the developer in this thread and that occurred like every 50-100 posts and this pointless whining starts again, there is a search feature on this forum for something.

The developer could of come with a new terminology but that would be even more confusing. I just see it a choice between two well know terms and that are the ones that exist in 1 tag on this site for example, and that serves for better filtering and search by the members/users. Or a Futa or a Trans, the nitpicking is believing that the term has some kind of an absolute value that doesn't have and that the developer has to start calling something else that is also inaccurate (in this case trans) or just invent a new term that no one else can relate to.

There is no abuse because there is no one that is harmed by the slight inaccuracy of the term. And if I'm wrong and the term is under some copywrite ownership and someone is harmed by using it in the "wrong way" then those people should contact whoever they are and ask them to sue the developer of this game, as ridiculous as this sounds :LOL:.
 
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pitao

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Argument is getting so fucking old now, it's not like anything is going to change.

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Yeah I know right, was just needed for me to enter the topic once and not long ago and I only replied now because I was quoted but I'm also fed up with the pointless discussion because neither I'll change my open minded view about it neither they will change their more absolute view of it. I promise you that I'll drop the topic because it is pointless and goes nowhere even if someone else reply to it. If goes too far I simply hit the ignore member button or in a more extreme case report the post/member. Fortunately so far the discussion stayed civil.
 
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doovel

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Yes I read that and other articles before, to be better informed while people were pointing out the obvious to the developer in this thread and that occurred like every 50-100 posts and this pointless whining starts again, there is a search feature on this forum for something.

The developer could of come with a new terminology but that would be even more confusing. I just see it a choice between two well know terms and that are the ones that exist in 1 tag on this site for example, and that serves for better filtering and search by the members/users. Or a Futa or a Trans, the nitpicking is believing that the term has some kind of an absolute value that doesn't have and that the developer has to start calling something else that is also inaccurate (in this case trans) or just invent a new term that no one else can relate to.

There is no abuse because there is no one that is harmed by the slight inaccuracy of the term. And if I'm wrong and the term is under some copywrite ownership and someone is harmed by using it in the "wrong way" then those people should contact whoever they are and ask them to sue the developer of this game, as ridiculous as this sounds :LOL:.
The only issue is saying it doesn't have this 'absolute value', when clearly it does. It is literally what the term means, to have both. Not the inverse of what is expected for your sex. Both primary genitalia.

It is not a nitpick to point out that the fundamental reason for a term is being changed and abused.

It's okay for things to be wrong, we don't have to pretend they're right. We can just point out these things and move on.

So yes you are wrong, the term has a very specific meaning and other people are also using it wrong.

I'm fine with "this term isn't exactly accurate, but that's what most people use for the entire category".

This isn't the only creator I support that abuses the term. (I'm subscribed to the highest tier of KN).

It's the pretending that it's a nitpick or calling it a slight inaccuracy, and pretending this has anything to do with copyright. It's a term, it has a definition and pretending otherwise is foolish.

So as much as it pains my cold black heart, the distinction EI makes by using mono/duplo is fine to me.

Jade is a mono, like all the other futanari in this game. And Stella is a cutie.
 

Kontralta

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The only issue is saying it doesn't have this 'absolute value', when clearly it does. It is literally what the term means, to have both. Not the inverse of what is expected for your sex. Both primary genitalia.

It is not a nitpick to point out that the fundamental reason for a term is being changed and abused.

It's okay for things to be wrong, we don't have to pretend they're right. We can just point out these things and move on.

So yes you are wrong, the term has a very specific meaning and other people are also using it wrong.

I'm fine with "this term isn't exactly accurate, but that's what most people use for the entire category".

This isn't the only creator I support that abuses the term. (I'm subscribed to the highest tier of KN).

It's the pretending that it's a nitpick or calling it a slight inaccuracy, and pretending this has anything to do with copyright. It's a term, it has a definition and pretending otherwise is foolish.

So as much as it pains my cold black heart, the distinction EI makes by using mono/duplo is fine to me.

Jade is a mono, like all the other futanari in this game. And Stella is a cutie.
Lol. There are many terms in the world that are used differently in different countries, and each considers its usage correct. According to the game's lore, Jade and others like her are just called futanari. This does not mean that she is the same Japanese futanari, she just has the same name.
 
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