VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.1] [Nyx]

[CrazyRabbit]

"theres nothing wrong with incest, as long as its on camera, and you only tell the audience after they've had enough time burn fantasies into memory, ensuring a generation of confused individuals"

- george lucas

So all the VNs we have today that include 'cest are because of Star Wars ?

 

[chuck69]

So all the VNs we have today that include 'cest are because of Star Wars ?

reading too far into any comment i make is the equivilant of volunteering to be tossed down a "crazyrabbit" hole. shit gets weird. take the laugh (if you find it funny) at face value only. its safer that way. cheers!

 

[misfolk]

A short update on how I view the principal fan theories after playing ep.11:

Mr. Navarro is Santiago - 99%

Mr. Navarro is Gabi's husband and Gabi thinks the MC looks like him.
They look and behave very similar when watching the game.

John is Erynn's father - 99%

Everyone thinks Iris and Erynn look like sisters.
John is attracted to Erynn because she looks like young Melissa.

Santiago/Mr. Navarro is Adriana's husband - 1%

Nyx used the same model for both men, but that's either misdirection or she didn't have a second model ready.
Adriana's husband is a Monroe.
Adriana's husband is famous.
Layla doesn't know even the most common phrases in Spanish while Mr. Navarro is Hispanic.

Adriana's husband is Zo - 80%

Zo is a rich and famous player who played for the Marauders.
Adriana's husband is rich and famous and likes talking about sports and the Marauders.

Valeria's dad is Santiago Navarro - 60%

Valeria asks her mom if she can drive past dad's so she can pick up some of her things. I doubt she keeps things at her dad's office, so that must be her dad's home in Madison Springs.
This means her parents are divorced. Santiago Navarro started an affair with Gabi around 10 years ago and married her at some point between then and now.
Valeria isn't worried about winning the first place to attract the attention of Mr. Navarro, she just wants to beat Sha'Carri.
When Mr. Navarro is actually worried about her being picked by Zach, she brusquely dismisses his concerns.

One problem with this theory is the dude in the gym. Only a brother or a cousin would try to gross out a girl by talking about poop. If that's her older brother, she can't be Santiago's daughter.

Another problem is Santiago and Zo being good friends. Surely if Zo is Adriana's husband both families would have met at least once, and yet Valeria didn't know Layla and Alexis and vice versa. Of course, with the MC not recognizing his best friend's other best friend after 5 years it's possible that none of the girls have seen each other since Santiago's divorce and thus have forgotten everything.

 

[hu lover]

A short update on how I view the principal fan theories after playing ep.11:

Mr. Navarro is Santiago - 99%

Mr. Navarro is Gabi's husband and Gabi thinks the MC looks like him.
They look and behave very similar when watching the game.

John is Erynn's father - 99%

Everyone thinks Iris and Erynn look like sisters.
John is attracted to Erynn because she looks like young Melissa.

Santiago/Mr. Navarro is Adriana's husband - 1%

Nyx used the same model for both men, but that's either misdirection or she didn't have a second model ready.
Adriana's husband is a Monroe.
Adriana's husband is famous.
Layla doesn't know even the most common phrases in Spanish while Mr. Navarro is Hispanic.

Adriana's husband is Zo - 80%

Zo is a rich and famous player who played for the Marauders.
Adriana's husband is rich and famous and likes talking about sports and the Marauders.

Valeria's dad is Santiago Navarro - 60%

Valeria asks her mom if she can drive past dad's so she can pick up some of her things. I doubt she keeps things at her dad's office, so that must be her dad's home in Madison Springs.
This means her parents are divorced. Santiago Navarro started an affair with Gabi around 10 years ago and married her at some point between then and now.
Valeria isn't worried about winning the first place to attract the attention of Mr. Navarro, she just wants to beat Sha'Carri.
When Mr. Navarro is actually worried about her being picked by Zach, she brusquely dismisses his concerns.

One problem with this theory is the dude in the gym. Only a brother or a cousin would try to gross out a girl by talking about poop. If that's her older brother, she can't be Santiago's daughter.

Another problem is Santiago and Zo being good friends. Surely if Zo is Adriana's husband both families would have met at least once, and yet Valeria didn't know Layla and Alexis and vice versa. Of course, with the MC not recognizing his best friend's other best friend after 5 years it's possible that none of the girls have seen each other since Santiago's divorce and thus have forgotten everything.

Very well said and informative.

 

[faneTouchMe]

how many girls can we romance in one playthrough

 

[Dessolos]

No, i agree, the Erynn story gets contrived and bogged down not only because of Erynn and her issues but because we are never given the option to go all in, we don't get the choice to chase her, really go after her.

In addition to not 1 but 2 "almost" scenes (which are referenced, as i said, but the MCs reaction is "it's ok" and nothing comes of it), bad interruptions by the evil cockblocking mom, there's also a "why aren't you going for it?" in chapter 10... the girl is sleeping in your bed, talking about the time you touched her boobs(remembering it fondly i might add) in your youth, you start kissing and... go to sleep.
There's no human male that acts this way.

Erynn is written as someone who needs to feel safe and loved, yet you can't say anything meaningful to her.
That's what frustrates me the most, this is a girl that i know has trust issues... but i'm not given the option to try and reassure her.
Well, it did look like she was finally getting comfy towards the end, so fingers crossed it doesn't revert to acting like "good buddies".

You know while I love Erynn's character and story and are my favorite in the game so far. I dont even mind the cockbocking / blueballing that happens as I enjoy when slow burns are slow. I also have to agree with you but what is for the most part frustrating to me anyways we aren't given the option to take her or ask her out on a actual date yet or confess your feelings to her, since the MC has to know she would say yes to him at least if you are on her solo path.

 

[Dessolos]

how many girls can we romance in one playthrough

Technically 1 with success but you can also play the field and it will blow up in your face at some point now or in a future update. I know 1 of the times it can blow up in your face you can avoid for now but not sure about for how long. Ive seen a screenshot of another one blowing up in your face but never tried to trigger that scene myself yet im just gonna assume that one isn't possible to avoid since they are sisters.

 

[chuck69]

how many girls can we romance in one playthrough

its a game, no real consequences. play through more than once, switch things up, and enjoy the ride

 

[LSC82]

You know while I love Erynn's character and story and are my favorite in the game so far. I dont even mind the cockbocking / blueballing that happens as I enjoy when slow burns are slow. I also have to agree with you but what is for the most part frustrating to me anyways we aren't given the option to take her or ask her out on a actual date yet or confess your feelings to her, since the MC has to know she would say yes to him at least if you are on her solo path.

Exactly, what frustrates me isn't Erynn(i like her too btw), she's traumatized and has trust issues, it makes sense that she would hesitate (a lot) and be slowwwwww...
What's frustrating is how we can't say anything to her, and we end up having to wait for the girl (the girl with trust issues) to show up.
Even in this latest episode she was the one that decided to come to our room, we didn't get to invite her or anything...
And as nyrek said, they tend to reset to buddies mode, these are 2 people who have an intense longing for each other, allow me to say something please...

I'll say i think this type of slow burn is better suited to "1 girl" type games, where at least we get a constant stream... such a behaviour in a ensemble cast type game, where she could be mostly forgotten for the next 2/3 episodes, is even more painful.

 

[chuck69]

Exactly, what frustrates me isn't Erynn(i like her too btw), she's traumatized and has trust issues, it makes sense that she would hesitate (a lot) and be slowwwwww...
What's frustrating is how we can't say anything to her, and we end up having to wait for the girl (the girl with trust issues) to show up.
Even in this latest episode she was the one that decided to come to our room, we didn't get to invite her or anything...
And as nyrek said, they tend to reset to buddies mode, these are 2 people who have an intense longing for each other, allow me to say something please...

I'll say i think this type of slow burn is better suited to "1 girl" type games, where at least we get a constant stream... such a behaviour in a ensemble cast type game, where she could be mostly forgotten for the next 2/3 episodes, is even more painful.

i hear what youre saying, but for the sake of conversation, im not sure i agree. dont get me wrong, im a fan of this story, but does it really make sense? the entire ethan situation is odd. theres only 2 scenarios that i see making sense, and neither are what we have here. ill explain.
1: she went to prom with ethan, they had consensual sex, im guessing she was unaware it was recorded, and later ethan blackmails her with the tape. ok, but that really doesnt explain the level of trauma she displays. for sure, ethans a P.O.S. and no way would she trust him again, but our story takes place years later, the MC is "the 1 that got away". shes so into him that she will cut ties with her best friend if lexi doesnt get permission to touch the mc. and while i wouldnt expect her to jump his bones on day 1, having that much difficulty following through with intimacy that SHE is initiating feels wildly overblown.
or
2: the sex she had with ethan wasnt consensual, which would explain both the level of trauma, and her hesitation with the mc, but theres still big holes in this scenario. shes been raped, ethan is dumb enough to keep the evidence on his phone, then blackmails her by saying he will release evidence of HIS crime to the public, and she tells no one? not even lexi? something doesnt add up.
maybe im wrong. but even if im not, its still a entertaining game. i dont really need it to make perfect sense, those are just some thoughts i have on it

 

[CrazyRabbit]

i hear what youre saying, but for the sake of conversation, im not sure i agree. dont get me wrong, im a fan of this story, but does it really make sense? the entire ethan situation is odd. theres only 2 scenarios that i see making sense, and neither are what we have here. ill explain.
1: she went to prom with ethan, they had consensual sex, im guessing she was unaware it was recorded, and later ethan blackmails her with the tape. ok, but that really doesnt explain the level of trauma she displays. for sure, ethans a P.O.S. and no way would she trust him again, but our story takes place years later, the MC is "the 1 that got away". shes so into him that she will cut ties with her best friend if lexi doesnt get permission to touch the mc. and while i wouldnt expect her to jump his bones on day 1, having that much difficulty following through with intimacy that SHE is initiating feels wildly overblown.
or
2: the sex she had with ethan wasnt consensual, which would explain both the level of trauma, and her hesitation with the mc, but theres still big holes in this scenario. shes been raped, ethan is dumb enough to keep the evidence on his phone, then blackmails her by saying he will release evidence of HIS crime to the public, and she tells no one? not even lexi? something doesnt add up.
maybe im wrong. but even if im not, its still a entertaining game. i dont really need it to make perfect sense, those are just some thoughts i have on it

If I'm not mistaken, she never had sex with Ethan.
She had consensual (?) sex with a guy named Zane and Ethan has the recording.

 

[chuck69]

If I'm not mistaken, she never had sex with Ethan.
She had consensual (?) sex with a guy named Zane and Ethan has the recording.

hmm, its been a while so i may have made a mistake there. if true, good catch, rabbit! even so, can you not just swap zane for ethan in my above thoughts?

 

[CrazyRabbit]

hmm, its been a while so i may have made a mistake there. if true, good catch, rabbit! even so, can you not just swap zane for ethan in my above thoughts?

It's more wobbly but the point stands, yes.

Why is she so afraid of intimacy with MC ?
We don't know how this shit got recorded, especially if Ethan wasn't there (which I do believe he wasn't), but that shouldn't be something she should fear with MC...

Is it fear of changing their relationship ? Is she so caught up in the blackmailing that she doesn't feel like being intimate ? Or even feel unworthy ?
So much possibilities but the scenes don't give shit for intel for either theories.... So we're just flailing blindly until they do the deed and MAYBE then, Erynn will tell why she took so long to be intimate with her crush of 5+ years (a crush that's so important to her that every other relationship comes second. Seriously carrying a torch for that long for a guy 3 years younger, especially at their ages back then is unheard of).

Unless we actually have a reason told by Erynn at one point ? Which is possible... I maybe missed a scene or my memory is clanky... In this case, I'd be glad to know.

 

[Dessolos]

i hear what youre saying, but for the sake of conversation, im not sure i agree. dont get me wrong, im a fan of this story, but does it really make sense? the entire ethan situation is odd. theres only 2 scenarios that i see making sense, and neither are what we have here. ill explain.
1: she went to prom with ethan, they had consensual sex, im guessing she was unaware it was recorded, and later ethan blackmails her with the tape. ok, but that really doesnt explain the level of trauma she displays. for sure, ethans a P.O.S. and no way would she trust him again, but our story takes place years later, the MC is "the 1 that got away". shes so into him that she will cut ties with her best friend if lexi doesnt get permission to touch the mc. and while i wouldnt expect her to jump his bones on day 1, having that much difficulty following through with intimacy that SHE is initiating feels wildly overblown.
or
2: the sex she had with ethan wasnt consensual, which would explain both the level of trauma, and her hesitation with the mc, but theres still big holes in this scenario. shes been raped, ethan is dumb enough to keep the evidence on his phone, then blackmails her by saying he will release evidence of HIS crime to the public, and she tells no one? not even lexi? something doesnt add up.
maybe im wrong. but even if im not, its still a entertaining game. i dont really need it to make perfect sense, those are just some thoughts i have on it

She didnt have sex with Ethan it was Zane who was her BF , Ethan just recorded it to blackmail her to go to prom. Unkown if he was working with Ethan dont think so since he broke up with her for going to prom with Ethan. I can see why your arguments about the trauma and her being hesitant towards intimacy with the MC doesnt make sense but I can see it a little bit as well . Because she told the MC how Ethan changed his personality when the MC left then back to his old POS self infront of her when it became clear she wasnt gonna date him. So I can maybe she wants to be extra careful he isnt acting fake + it's been 5 years. But even if my speculation theory was right in any shape or form I dont see it holding any weight past the Alleyway scene with Ethan. After that she is just being hesitant for unknown reasons cause even with her trauma I feel after that alleyway scene most of her trauma is in the back of her mind and not even thinking about it when with the MC. But yeah you are right there are small things that dont make sense when you really think about it but at the end of day who cares if you enjoy the game.

 

[LSC82]

i hear what youre saying, but for the sake of conversation, im not sure i agree. dont get me wrong, im a fan of this story, but does it really make sense? the entire ethan situation is odd. theres only 2 scenarios that i see making sense, and neither are what we have here. ill explain.
1: she went to prom with ethan, they had consensual sex, im guessing she was unaware it was recorded, and later ethan blackmails her with the tape. ok, but that really doesnt explain the level of trauma she displays. for sure, ethans a P.O.S. and no way would she trust him again, but our story takes place years later, the MC is "the 1 that got away". shes so into him that she will cut ties with her best friend if lexi doesnt get permission to touch the mc. and while i wouldnt expect her to jump his bones on day 1, having that much difficulty following through with intimacy that SHE is initiating feels wildly overblown.
or
2: the sex she had with ethan wasnt consensual, which would explain both the level of trauma, and her hesitation with the mc, but theres still big holes in this scenario. shes been raped, ethan is dumb enough to keep the evidence on his phone, then blackmails her by saying he will release evidence of HIS crime to the public, and she tells no one? not even lexi? something doesnt add up.
maybe im wrong. but even if im not, its still a entertaining game. i dont really need it to make perfect sense, those are just some thoughts i have on it

She hasn't had sex with Ethan, the sex was with Zane, a different guy(yet to be revealed).

I guess you have to try and see things from the perspective of a inexperienced, romantic young woman... and basically right after she lost her virginity, the fallout from this event meant that she lost her relationship with her boyfriend(the aforementioned Zane) and she was forced to do demeaning work that makes her hugely despressed... this left a huge trauma in her.

There's no logical reason for her to be hesitant about being in a relationship with the MC(other than the fact that he might be a huge "Playa", depending on how you approach the game), this is obviously a very different relationship/situation.
But people with traumas rarely think things in a logical, pragmatic way... her past trauma still weights on her despite this being a entirely different guy.

This part i think is solid, the girl has trust issues, she has a huge history with our guy(one might say the backyard scene is where things started going wrong for her), so she puts a lot of weight into this relationship...
That makes her hesitant to take the big step, she fears getting hurt again (doesn't have to be logical for a traumatized person).
And yes, it can be annoying dealing with trauma from others at times... but i still emphatize with the character.

The part that is frustrating to me is that in a game like this we have to wait for the writer to allow us to take the next step and commit, it already seems obvious to me but the game doesn't allow me to do it...
A girl with trust issues needs to be reassured and feel safe and loved, until she learns she doesn't need to be afraid, but the game doesn't offer this option we have to "play disinterested" which just seems so wrong for the situation.

 

[chuck69]

It's more wobbly but the point stands, yes.

Why is she so afraid of intimacy with MC ?
We don't know how this shit got recorded, especially if Ethan wasn't there (which I do believe he wasn't), but that shouldn't be something she should fear with MC...

Is it fear of changing their relationship ? Is she so caught up in the blackmailing that she doesn't feel like being intimate ? Or even feel unworthy ?
So much possibilities but the scenes don't give shit for intel for either theories.... So we're just flailing blindly until they do the deed and MAYBE then, Erynn will tell why she took so long to be intimate with her crush of 5+ years (a crush that's so important to her that every other relationship comes second. Seriously carrying a torch for that long for a guy 3 years younger, especially at their ages back then is unheard of).

Unless we actually have a reason told by Erynn at one point ? Which is possible... I maybe missed a scene or my memory is clanky... In this case, I'd be glad to know.

fear of changing the relationship? we get nothing to support that, and much to the contrary. but people dont always say what they mean, and can even fool themselves as far as understanding their own motives...... ill say that is a valid point. thought provoking at the least.

 

[Deleted member 313508]

how many girls can we romance in one playthrough

With some exceptions, pretty much all of them. You'll just be forced at some point to make choices to break up with (or be broken up with) at certain points in the story.

 

[LSC82]

fear of changing the relationship? we get nothing to support that, and much to the contrary. but people dont always say what they mean, and can even fool themselves as far as understanding their own motives...... ill say that is a valid point. thought provoking at the least.

I still think where you go wrong is expecting logic from a traumatized person.
She's afraid to take the leap and give herself in, even if she has no reason to be so afraid.

 

[chuck69]

I still think where you go wrong is expecting logic from a traumatized person.
She's afraid to take the leap and give herself in, even if she has no reason to be so afraid.

maybe its the term trauma thats part of the issue here. if so, the fault would be mine. theres levels to such a term. so maybe i was unclear. she doesnt strike me as a drama queen, in fact, she takes a joke and other situations fairly well. which is why i still find the level, or intensity of scarring/trauma questionable. meh, i still enjoy my time playing it. and since i have already felt the shameful slap of a fact checking crazyrabbit lol. im not prepared to die on this particular hill just yet. ill call it, to be continued.

 

[LSC82]

maybe its the term trauma thats part of the issue here. if so, the fault would be mine. theres levels to such a term. so maybe i was unclear. she doesnt strike me as a drama queen, in fact, she takes a joke and other situations fairly well. which is why i still find the level, or intensity of scarring/trauma questionable. meh, i still enjoy my time playing it. and since i have already felt the shameful slap of a fact checking crazyrabbit lol. im not prepared to die on this particular hill just yet. ill call it, to be continued.

I'd say the game makes no secrets that this event left her deeply scarred, i really don't know how anyone questions it honestly...
The fact that she does try to put on a brave face and pretend that everything is peachy in front of people(the MC even notices that), she's been hiding this trauma from her mom and her friends for years afterall... doesn't mean that the trauma doesn't exist.