VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.1] [Nyx]

[LSC82]

Alright let's do a little theory about our mysterious killer and i'm interested on hearing what you think about it. I did share my theory previously of some suspects i thought about involving Zach, Ethan and Brooke but did anyone else got this vibe that John (Erynn's and Iris's dad) might be our guy. I mean what do we know so far about John? He does seams cool, willing to help Erynn regarding her situation and was more than cool back in the days when MC dated Iris. When Melissa described her ex John was a perfect match. Now why do i think he might be our guy. Well first of all i think it was Layla mentioning that "another girl is found dead". That another means there were others as well meaning Rachel wasn't first victim but one of who knows how many and for how many years. Age for John is good if we presume that he has done that before. I presume from late teens into adulthood meaning from 17-25 years. I presume now that he's in his 40s something. After that we have Iris. Now unless i missed something but where is Iris's mom? Next is John and Iris are in MCs hometown (i'm guilty, i forgot the name) for a month and soon afterwards we have Rachel dead. Some of you might say its coincidence but i think something might happening here that involves John.

I don't think he physically can be, he should have an alibi.
When you have the scuffle with Ethan, there's 2 possible characters that can come to your rescue, John or Valeria.
In the John scenario he helps you knock some teeth in, then you go and spend some time with him in a bar where you tell him the whole story of Ethan and Erynn(including a fade to black time jump).
Basically he was spending time with the MC at what should be Rachel's time of death.

In the Val scenario, he's "somewhere", still having different killers depending on wether you are dating Val sounds really out there, not a good use of the butterfly effect that this game pulls off rather well honestly.

I do have a soft spot for the guy, since he seems like the only nice guy around...

 

[Pantic_10]

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What game do you have that they are having sex?

What game do you have that they are having sex?

 

[Deleted member 207916]

I don't think he physically can be, he should have an alibi.
When you have the scuffle with Ethan, there's 2 possible characters that can come to your rescue, John or Valeria.
In the John scenario he helps you knock some teeth in, then you go and spend some time with him in a bar where you tell him the whole story of Ethan and Erynn(including a fade to black time jump).
Basically he was spending time with the MC at what should be Rachel's time of death.

In the Val scenario, he's "somewhere", still having different killers depending on wether you are dating Val sounds really out there, not a good use of the butterfly effect that this game pulls off rather well honestly.

I do have a soft spot for the guy, since he seems like the only nice guy around...

That's a good point, he does have an alibi. This was just idea of mine. Originally i had several other suspects (Brooke, Ethan, Zach or some of Ethan's goons) but i decided to expand a little bit and overlook John, especially because Rachel's death happens during the time when John and Iris are back. This is a thing that made him a suspect. He indeed jumped to help MC when Ethan and his goons cornered him but where was he before? What was he doing before he helped MC? Sure he could just be passing by and be completely innocent or hours before Rachel's death he was with her. Ample of time to kill her, dispose his clothes and act like nothing happened like he's just passing by recognise MC and decides to save his ass. This is just a theory that i have and it's crazy about number of suspects this game can offer.

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Dessolos also to reply you about my theory so i don't do separate comment.

 

[LSC82]

That's a good point, he does have an alibi. This was just idea of mine. Originally i had several other suspects (Brooke, Ethan, Zach or some of Ethan's goons) but i decided to expand a little bit and overlook John, especially because Rachel's death happens during the time when John and Iris are back. This is a thing that made him a suspect. He indeed jumped to help MC when Ethan and his goons cornered him but where was he before? What was he doing before he helped MC? Sure he could just be passing by and be completely innocent or hours before Rachel's death he was with her. Ample of time to kill her, dispose his clothes and act like nothing happened like he's just passing by recognise MC and decides to save his ass. This is just a theory that i have and it's crazy about number of suspects this game can offer.

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Dessolos also to reply you about my theory so i don't do separate comment.

That would mean she stayed there for at least 4/5 hours, he killed her, changed to clean clothes, walked around town, then had a long talk with the MC... one would imagine the first person who goes to use that dumpster would find Rachel's body and then there would be a bit of a crowd there before the police arrived.

The obvious suspect remains of course Ethan, back when everyone assumed "dumpster girl" was Erynn he was the main suspect of beating her up as retaliation.
He was pissed/stressed and he's connected enough to use back entrance to clubs(often in an alley), Rachel is dressed like she was in a club, we actually have an example of that in his previous interaction with Erynn.

I do enjoy CSIng this shit lol.

 

[Acsuka]

Mysteries...

 

[Deleted member 207916]

That would mean she stayed there for at least 4/5 hours, he killed her, changed to clean clothes, walked around town, then had a long talk with the MC... one would imagine the first person who goes to use that dumpster would find Rachel's body and then there would be a bit of a crowd there before the police arrived.

The obvious suspect remains of course Ethan, back when everyone assumed "dumpster girl" was Erynn he was the main suspect of beating her up as retaliation.
He was pissed/stressed and he's connected enough to use back entrance to clubs(often in an alley), Rachel is dressed like she was in a club, we actually have an example of that in his previous interaction with Erynn.

I do enjoy CSIng this shit lol.

Exactly, now imagine case scenario where John is our killer and MC supported his mom Emily to hook up with John. Of course for what MC knows John is cool guy with tattoos, he's dad of Iris, MCs ex, and unknowingly he just supported his mom to start dating killer. Also keep in mind that there's no trace of Iris's mom or i missed story dialog about her. Like where's she? Who is she? What happened to her? Is she "another girl" in a long road of piled bodies, just another number of our killer (if indeed its John). Also if this happened before the question is for how long? Like is it 10, 15 or 20 years. If its that long and if we presume that John is in his 40s than he could be our killer. I get it that everyone here likes John, even i think he's cool, but we have to expect that killer can be even him.

edit : I also do enjoy this detective thing.

 

[Acsuka]

Exactly, now imagine case scenario where John is our killer and MC supported his mom Emily to hook up with John. Of course for what MC knows John is cool guy with tattoos, he's dad of Iris, MCs ex, and unknowingly he just supported his mom to start dating killer. Also keep in mind that there's no trace of Iris's mom or i missed story dialog about her. Like where's she? Who is she? What happened to her? Is she "another girl" in a long road of piled bodies, just another number of our killer (if indeed its John). Also if this happened before the question is for how long? Like is it 10, 15 or 20 years. If its that long and if we presume that John is in his 40s than he could be our killer. I get it that everyone here likes John, even i think he's cool, but we have to expect that killer can be even him.

edit : I also do enjoy this detective thing.

Sorry I forgot, but how did Rachel die? More specifically, what was the cause of death: shot, stabbed, strangled, beaten to death???
Maybe you can count, because these variations can rule out certain perpetrators... I'm also suspicious of Brooke, but I don't think she would use a knife on anyone or beat anyone to death... So in this case, a female perpetrator cannot be considered... However, I also like John- t, and I don't think she's the culprit... Even if we don't know much about her backstory... However, I have a theory, which may be silly, but what if Nyx is just messing with the players' minds and the killer is a completely unknown person whom we don't know, and only Rachel was in the wrong place at the wrong time (for example, they wanted to rob her and this happened)... in other words, we are straining our brains unnecessarily...

 

[Dessolos]

My personal theory is it's either someone we don't know but it is someone that is connected to the Ethan stuff or someone we see very little or know barley anything about that might be connected with Ethan. Like Layla's ex boyfriend or Erynn's ex boyfriend she took to prom. I'm brain farting on both of their names right now. Now there is no evidence that says those 2 are connected to Ethan but nothing that says they aren't either so I think it could be a possibility they end up being involved with him even if it's unlikely.

 

[Darkwen]

What game do you have that they are having sex?

Being a Dik

 

[valbitterb]

Like Layla's ex boyfriend or Erynn's ex boyfriend she took to prom.

Lucas and Zane

 

[valbitterb]

LSC82

 

[Deleted member 207916]

Sorry I forgot, but how did Rachel die? More specifically, what was the cause of death: shot, stabbed, strangled, beaten to death???
Maybe you can count, because these variations can rule out certain perpetrators... I'm also suspicious of Brooke, but I don't think she would use a knife on anyone or beat anyone to death... So in this case, a female perpetrator cannot be considered... However, I also like John- t, and I don't think she's the culprit... Even if we don't know much about her backstory... However, I have a theory, which may be silly, but what if Nyx is just messing with the players' minds and the killer is a completely unknown person whom we don't know, and only Rachel was in the wrong place at the wrong time (for example, they wanted to rob her and this happened)... in other words, we are straining our brains unnecessarily...

From what i know she's just found by dumpster, like everyone else on this thread knows and you. Emily only went to confirm Rachel's id. There's no mentioning on how Rachel died whether she's strangled, killed by knife or some other sharped objects, gun, you can pick your poison. She could be at wrong time and at the wrong place, maybe saw and hear what she should not but then again you have to remember that Layla mentioned, if i'm not mistaken, that another girl was found dead. So it's obvious this had happened before to other girls beside Rachel. The question is for how long this is happening? Killer could be character we didn't met yet. It could also be someone we met already. I purely mentioned John as possible suspect because of several reasons. Like where is his ex? Also keep in mind that Rachel was killed just in the time when John and Iris came back. Also i wouldn't exclude that this is a deed of female. When driven by any motion peoples, regardless of gender, are capable of anything.

 

[Acsuka]

From what i know she's just found by dumpster, like everyone else on this thread knows and you. Emily only went to confirm Rachel's id. There's no mentioning on how Rachel died whether she's strangled, killed by knife or some other sharped objects, gun, you can pick your poison. She could be at wrong time and at the wrong place, maybe saw and hear what she should not but then again you have to remember that Layla mentioned, if i'm not mistaken, that another girl was found dead. So it's obvious this had happened before to other girls beside Rachel. The question is for how long this is happening? Killer could be character we didn't met yet. It could also be someone we met already. I purely mentioned John as possible suspect because of several reasons. Like where is his ex? Also keep in mind that Rachel was killed just in the time when John and Iris came back. Also i wouldn't exclude that this is a deed of female. When driven by any motion peoples, regardless of gender, are capable of anything.

Hmmm... ok, how big is this city, how many people does it have, what are the crime statistics? Just because Leyla mentions that another girl died, it must be a small town with a small population? And that's why it's interesting that someone died again?... These are just assumptions... Of course I knew that he was found next to the trash...
But now you know what? Let's say that John is the killer... And then you know what I'm saying?... Rachel was Iris' mother... Maybe she knew something about John's story and that's why she had to die... What do you think about this theory?...

 

[LSC82]

My personal theory is it's either someone we don't know but it is someone that is connected to the Ethan stuff or someone we see very little or know barley anything about that might be connected with Ethan. Like Layla's ex boyfriend or Erynn's ex boyfriend she took to prom. I'm brain farting on both of their names right now. Now there is no evidence that says those 2 are connected to Ethan but nothing that says they aren't either so I think it could be a possibility they end up being involved with him even if it's unlikely.

Lucas and Zane(one correction Erynn ditched Zane before prom).
Could be the yet to be introduced Ethan's father... Owner of the agency Erynn works for.
One thing i worry about with this type of "decision" is that Nyx has to balance her desire to surprise with telling a good story, and i worry about the surprise factor winning out.

For example the John theory for me seems more like trying to catch people off guard than making sense(no offense meant to those who champion it).
It would be devastating for Iris, but it feels "he's a sociopath who hides in plain sight for... reasons".

 

[Nurikabe]

Weaving it back into the escort business is the most likely source. The game lives and breathes on that type of interwoven action. While it was likely not Ethan, it is more probable that it was one of the men who run that part of the business or one of the Johns who was using her as an escort.

Why the escort business? Well, that is right up Rachel's alley, no pun intended. She was certainly attractive enough to catch the eye of one of their recruiters. Shady, sexual, and arrogant enough to go into that kind of work. As for the escort business itself, that type of business is known for its shady operations, drug use, and even murders and missing women.

It will eventually come back to Ethan, his father, and their business.

It all makes for a nice intertwined plot.

 

[dolfe67]

You can theory craft if you want, but I find thinking John is involved is laughable. The murder cases are probably tied to Ethan's shady business, nothing more. They get rid of problematic girls

 

[anonnyscouse]

Hasn't John only just moved back to town with Iris? With Layla mentioning the other dead girl we're definitely meant to believe that whoever killed Rachel has killed before in the same town, sure that rules John out as he wasn't even living there at the time of the first murder (assuming it was before MC moved back as we didn't hear anything about it until Rachel's murder).

 

[Maviarab]

Hasn't John only just moved back to town with Iris? With Layla mentioning the other dead girl we're definitely meant to believe that whoever killed Rachel has killed before in the same town, sure that rules John out as he wasn't even living there at the time of the first murder (assuming it was before MC moved back as we didn't hear anything about it until Rachel's murder).

You don't have to live somewhere to murder them there.

 

[Dessolos]

Hasn't John only just moved back to town with Iris? With Layla mentioning the other dead girl we're definitely meant to believe that whoever killed Rachel has killed before in the same town, sure that rules John out as he wasn't even living there at the time of the first murder (assuming it was before MC moved back as we didn't hear anything about it until Rachel's murder).

that's what I thought too when i first read his theory about John but then i figured maybe he was back longer than we thought like 2-3 months or something and we just never ran into him to know.

 

[Regularus]

Wait for the special alternate secret path in next version in which there will be the big reveal that not only Rachel faked her death but is additionally revealed as being the MC father just before her sex changing surgery !