VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.1] [Nyx]

[demon79yu]

There is a bug that I dont get any Elena content in this update.

Spoiler: btw, about Yennerfer or Tris

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[Dessolos]

There is a bug that I dont get any Elena content in this update.

Spoiler: btw, about Yennerfer or Tris

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with your MC's name that's gonna be confusing when it comes to his best friend haha.

But there is no Elena in this update just trying to make things with Layla has she gave the MC an ultimatum in the last update.

 

[DIKs_Steeler]

I just did a Val playthrough without Gabi and Ximena recognized the MC. 100% She's Val's mom.

There's a very good chance, yes. Did you do a route without Val? I don't know if Ximena say the same thing regardless (if we didn't take the picture with Val, or if she didn't see MC on the side walk.

There's also a slight chance she would know MC because of Anders, because she seem to know him. But she would've probably made the connection right there "Ahh that's how I know you" (or something like that). But these characters aren't always the brightest (for the sake of writing a story with a lot of twist), so it's possible.

My money is also on Ximena-Valeria, especially since every renders of Val mom look exactly like her.

 

[TonyMurray]

You see how many steps you have to take for it not to be Zane. Zane would have to assume he's getting lucky that night brag to a friend that he's going on a date somewhere where Ethan has to be, and buy a motel room super early ( given their age, I doubt it's an overnight stay), have Ethan use his connections to get into said motel room and set up a camera.
It makes more sense for Zane to be involved in whatever is happening. Whether or not he was a willing participant is debatable.

I think you're overthinking this. I can't remember if it's been mentioned at all, but where was the tape recorded? Did they say it was a motel room? My thought is that Ethan just happened upon it by chance - the way he was, it wouldn't surprise me if he was keeping a close eye on Erynn, potentially even stalking her. He could easily have just been outside a bedroom window filming them on his phone. I certainly don't think however it went down that there was a camera set up in advance...

Zane was definitely involved, but probably only in the sex part. It's very easy for him to have had just as much knowledge of the filming part as Erynn did.

 

[Dessolos]

I think you're overthinking this. I can't remember if it's been mentioned at all, but where was the tape recorded? Did they say it was a motel room? My thought is that Ethan just happened upon it by chance - the way he was, it wouldn't surprise me if he was keeping a close eye on Erynn, potentially even stalking her. He could easily have just been outside a bedroom window filming them on his phone. I certainly don't think however it went down that there was a camera set up in advance...

Zane was definitely involved, but probably only in the sex part. It's very easy for him to have had just as much knowledge of the filming part as Erynn did.

Yeah I kind of always thought it was just a happy accident and he pulled out his phone but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was a stalker with that scene in ch 12 that shows how obsessed he is over Erynn. Tho im not convinced Zane was involved just yet. The only reason im not convinced because how he broke up with her over Prom. While that doesn't mean anything and Ethan could of lied and betrayed him if he was involved. But my gut tells me if he was involved he wouldn't of broken up with her over Prom but rather help Ethan and get a "turn" with her once in awhile.

 

[TonyMurray]

Yeah I kind of always thought it was just a happy accident and he pulled out his phone but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was a stalker with that scene in ch 12 that shows how obsessed he is over Erynn. Tho im not convinced Zane was involved just yet. The only reason im not convinced because how he broke up with her over Prom. While that doesn't mean anything and Ethan could of lied and betrayed him if he was involved. But my gut tells me if he was involved he wouldn't of broken up with her over Prom but rather help Ethan and get a "turn" with her once in awhile.

Yeah, I definitely agree - I don't think Zane was involved (except for being the other one on the tape). I guess that he's as much a victim as Erynn, just that he's not had it used against him, and potentially doesn't even know about it at all.

 

[Justaphase]

I'll be short because I don't want to get chased away with torches and pitchforks.

The issue I had wasn't that much with her, but how she was forced onto me as a player, in my first playthrough (I only started playing this VN 2 updates ago) I had no interest in pursuing her yet, for what seemed to me like forever, she kept popping up no matter how hard I was trying to ignore her and pick negative answers.

I'll eventually try a playthrough involving her, but due to my age I tend to gravitate towards older LIs, not just in Intertwined mind you.

Not sure how you can say that Val is "forced" on to the player, far from it IMO. To even get on to her path romantically you have to make every single positive choice with her on the training camp trip, otherwise they are just friends. Or is it that you have an issue even being friends with her?

 

[Elduriel]

Or is it that you have an issue even being friends with her?

I think that's what he wrote but I'm not getting it. If you're just friends with her she barely has any screentime at all, and no real exclusive scenes with her either, they are just meeting in a group setting like at school. Definitely not forced to hang out with her too much.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I think you're overthinking this. I can't remember if it's been mentioned at all, but where was the tape recorded? Did they say it was a motel room? My thought is that Ethan just happened upon it by chance - the way he was, it wouldn't surprise me if he was keeping a close eye on Erynn, potentially even stalking her. He could easily have just been outside a bedroom window filming them on his phone. I certainly don't think however it went down that there was a camera set up in advance...

Zane was definitely involved, but probably only in the sex part. It's very easy for him to have had just as much knowledge of the filming part as Erynn did.

So now wherever they were having sex they were doing it with the shades up? Perhaps that happened, all Im saying is for that sex tape to have been made by Ethan (or his goons), a lot of things out of the ordinary had to go right.

The only reason im not convinced because how he broke up with her over Prom. While that doesn't mean anything and Ethan could of lied and betrayed him if he was involved. But my gut tells me if he was involved he wouldn't of broken up with her over Prom but help Ethan and get a "turn" with her once in awhile.

If he got what he wanted from her, he could've easily used the prom excuse to break up with her without seeming like the bad guy.

 

[LSC82]

I think you're overthinking this. I can't remember if it's been mentioned at all, but where was the tape recorded? Did they say it was a motel room? My thought is that Ethan just happened upon it by chance - the way he was, it wouldn't surprise me if he was keeping a close eye on Erynn, potentially even stalking her. He could easily have just been outside a bedroom window filming them on his phone. I certainly don't think however it went down that there was a camera set up in advance...

Zane was definitely involved, but probably only in the sex part. It's very easy for him to have had just as much knowledge of the filming part as Erynn did.

So now wherever they were having sex they were doing it with the shades up? Perhaps that happened, all Im saying is for that sex tape to have been made by Ethan (or his goons), a lot of things out of the ordinary had to go right.

I think an important detail is that Ethan has "a guy" in addition to his basic minions.
Just like in this latest episode where Zach tells Ethan who John actually is and he makes a call to his guy to get John's info.
Previously he made the same call for "Kyle Johnson" but hit nothing.

A person like that is perfectly suited to find out where they were headed and film everything, have him tail them both, find out the places Zane could've taken her, if he recently has made hotel reservations...
All this without Ethan even needing to get his hands dirty.

If he got what he wanted from her, he could've easily used the prom excuse to break up with her without seeming like the bad guy.

This bit could be true, but given other things i don't think things are leaning this way.

Not sure how you can say that Val is "forced" on to the player, far from it IMO. To even get on to her path romantically you have to make every single positive choice with her on the training camp trip, otherwise they are just friends. Or is it that you have an issue even being friends with her?

Agree, to get with her you have to ignore one of the characters that got most early content in Layla.
When she actually starts screen time in the training camp(she just has a couple of cameos before) players might be already heavily invested into Layla(i know i was).

 

[doovel]

You missed that Alexis and MC using "coffee" as a code for being horny and having sex?

Erm, maybe I misunderstood, but did you call me Nyx? Well, thank you, I really like her work and I think she's great, but I'm not Nyx.


How would Nikki/Cara find that out? Mira is in Alvarado, Nikki/Cara in Riverside. A two hours drive away. They don't know Mira.
Yeah, but that's her problem, not ours. See, Nyx just made a release with 7200 renders made in 10 months with a playtime for hours, when you play it properly. Show me another dev using ONE system for coding, posing, and rendering with that output in that time. Personally I think we as players have nothing to complain about.
Exactly. This game is good because of all the little things.

It’s even more impressive how she keeps such an intertwined story, so diverse and coherent. With different reactions to so many different variations of events.

I’ve only seen a minor slip up like Alexis saying she “unfortunately” knows the MC with the Lakeyn restaurant scene. When she shouldn’t say that. (Or acted amicably in the scene just before that)

keeping track of all that can’t be easy. And many devs struggle with just that. Yet Nyx is doing it at a scale and width we don’t see in any other game.

 

[Elduriel]

It’s even more impressive how she keeps such an intertwined story, so diverse and coherent. With different reactions to so many different variations of events.

I’ve only seen a minor slip up like Alexis saying she “unfortunately” knows the MC with the Lakeyn restaurant scene. When she shouldn’t say that. (Or acted amicably in the scene just before that)

keeping track of all that can’t be easy. And many devs struggle with just that. Yet Nyx is doing it at a scale and width we don’t see in any other game.

there are other AVNs with even more branching though. Not saying this one is "easy" to maintain, but there are other devs who do a more complex work in that regard. Just off the top of my head, you have ORS, Jury, DLC, u4ia that has comparable or more branching than Intertwined.

 

[doovel]

there are other AVNs with even more branching though. Not saying this one is "easy" to maintain, but there are other devs who do a more complex work in that regard. Just off the top of my head, you have ORS, Jury, DLC, u4ia that has comparable or more branching than Intertwined.

Maybe I can rephrase it to drive home what I mean. The branches within this game feel much more intertwined when compared to games that have wider branching. In those games the branches are often very distinct and end up having little interaction with LIs you ignored and said no to.

In this game, if you said no matters, how you said no matters and the events that took place matter for the interactions with those characters. It not only impacts the MC and characters, but also the overall story.

Though I have to say I’m not familiar with the first three games you mention. Could you DM me the actual names? I’m curious to check.

 

[Justaphase]

Though I have to say I’m not familiar with the first three games you mention. Could you DM me the actual names? I’m curious to check.

That's Our Red String, Jury and Defending Lydia Collier.

 

[Elduriel]

Maybe I can rephrase it to drive home what I mean. The branches within this game feel much more intertwined when compared to games that have wider branching. In those games the branches are often very distinct and end up having little interaction with LIs you ignored and said no to.

In this game, if you said no matters, how you said no matters and the events that took place matter for the interactions with those characters. It not only impacts the MC and characters, but also the overall story.

Though I have to say I’m not familiar with the first three games you mention. Could you DM me the actual names? I’m curious to check.

I get that. What I like the most about it is the "intertwined" stuff, most of the time it's like a straight soap opera, which is not a category of entertainment that I enjoy, but somehow it works here. Yes, some of it is stupid, the cliffhangers are stupid, the constant incest teasing is stupid. And it's stupid fun. Except the fucking blackmail thing, close it off already

 

[doovel]

I get that. What I like the most about it is the "intertwined" stuff, most of the time it's like a straight soap opera, which is not a category of entertainment that I enjoy, but somehow it works here. Yes, some of it is stupid, the cliffhangers are stupid, the constant incest teasing is stupid. And it's stupid fun. Except the fucking blackmail thing, close it off already

Yeah personally I don’t care for the blackmail part of the story. Didn’t need to be so heavy, the inter-personal drama the MC causes is good enough on its own. And Zack didn’t need to turn into a complete scumbag either. Would’ve liked to see a redemption for him. Learning from MC and the girls how to be flirty and teasing properly.

It’s interesting enough on its own.

 

[Justaphase]

Yeah personally I don’t care for the blackmail part of the story. Didn’t need to be so heavy, the inter-personal drama the MC causes is good enough on its own. And Zack didn’t need to turn into a complete scumbag either. Would’ve liked to see a redemption for him. Learning from MC and the girls how to be flirty and teasing properly.

It’s interesting enough on its own.

I agree I feel like the blackmail part, hell the whole Ethan part of the story was unnecessary. The fact that the MC unknowingly hooked up with Erynn's best friend Lexi on the plane and then later at the bar. As well as the whole confession misunderstanding, which had me completely anti-Erynn btw the first time that I played this I can't lie, until I saw what really happened.
These things were enough to make the Erynn path interesting for me.
I don't think that I've played an AVN yet, where I'm really as invested in the main storyline as I am in the romantic relationships with the LI's. Usually I just want to get through the main story as fast as possible and get to the good stuff, and no not the lewds, they aren't that important to me.
I feel like the Zach redemption may be coming, but now I feel like it's too little too late. For me he's now beyond redemption, unless he literally takes a bullet for the MC or one of the girls. We shall see.

 

[LSC82]

I get that. What I like the most about it is the "intertwined" stuff, most of the time it's like a straight soap opera, which is not a category of entertainment that I enjoy, but somehow it works here. Yes, some of it is stupid, the cliffhangers are stupid, the constant incest teasing is stupid. And it's stupid fun. Except the fucking blackmail thing, close it off already

The "intertwining" is the most unique aspect of this game, and i love it.
Others allow you to choose your favorite routes but i don't think any other has their girls playing off each other, butting heads, as much this one.

I agree I feel like the blackmail part, hell the whole Ethan part of the story was unnecessary. The fact that the MC unknowingly hooked up with Erynn's best friend Lexi on the plane and then later at the bar. As well as the whole confession misunderstanding, which had me completely anti-Erynn btw the first time that I played this I can't lie, until I saw what really happened.
These things were enough to make the Erynn path interesting for me.
I don't think that I've played an AVN yet where I'm really as invested in the main storyline as I am in the romantic relationships with the LI's. Usually I just want to get through the main story as fast as possible and get to the good stuff, and no not the lewds, they aren't that important to me.
I feel like the Zach redemption may be coming, but now I feel like it's too little too late. For me he's now beyond redemption, unless he literally takes a bullet for the MC or one of the girls. We shall see.

I feel like the blackmail has done it's job, and now we need to get rid of it.

The fact that Erynn is a fragile, traumatized girl, who needs to learn to trust and love again is an interesting wrinkle, and her mental state is directly connected to Ethan's abuse.
It makes me like her more than if she was the standard "childhood friend" from most other AVNs.

The blackmail value was never on dealing with the actual blackmail, but on how it built/affected Erynn's character.
So it had it's value... but it's painful that we are still dealing with it in chapter 13(and counting)...

As a fan of "intertwining" the thing i that interests me the most is the frenemy relationship with Alexis(and Iris a little bit), in that they are great friends in love with the same guy, at this point the stupid blackmail is just getting in the way of what i really want to be doing.

Let's see how Zach will play out in this plot, will he figure out that Ethan is using him and change his ways... help bring him down? Learn from this, become a good guy and start dating one of the random girls(Hat Girl maybe)?
Though at this point i'm more inclined to seeing him face first in the gutter, that would be cathartic

 

[doovel]

I agree I feel like the blackmail part, hell the whole Ethan part of the story was unnecessary. The fact that the MC unknowingly hooked up with Erynn's best friend Lexi on the plane and then later at the bar. As well as the whole confession misunderstanding, which had me completely anti-Erynn btw the first time that I played this I can't lie, until I saw what really happened.
These things were enough to make the Erynn path interesting for me.
I don't think that I've played an AVN yet, where I'm really as invested in the main storyline as I am in the romantic relationships with the LI's. Usually I just want to get through the main story as fast as possible and get to the good stuff, and no not the lewds, they aren't that important to me.
I feel like the Zach redemption may be coming, but now I feel like it's too little too late. For me he's now beyond redemption, unless he literally takes a bullet for the MC or one of the girls. We shall see.

I could see a redemption where he finds out what Ethan has been doing to his favourite model. He could take the route of I forgot his name, but I think Christian in Chasing Sunsets.

Release what’s happening reach out to the MC and friends. MC decides whether to trust him or not and the redemption can begin. Would still take a lot to get there, but it wouldn’t be impossible.

 

[reb95]

I wish this whole Ethan blackmail drama would end in the next update, it's already taking too long and I'm sick of this guy, at the very least he deserves to end up in jail or screwed, Zach is an idiot and in my opinion doesn't deserve redemption after everything he's done, especially since Ethan ends the update planning to get revenge on the MC with Zach's help if you intervene and beat him up when he's pressing Eryn against the wall outside the bar.