VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.1] [Nyx]

[Nurikabe]

Now do You see where i'm coming from a little clearer?
If You would like to confirm the validity of this quote.
May i add You to the conversation in PM so You may review it firsthand?

We all have our bias... that's inevitable.

I do completely understand why players have a problem with a character's behavior and why that player may have such an extreme emotional response. It is great to hear that the story affects someone so personally. It is important to remember that, in the end, it is just a story.

Some players can view Alexis's behavior as being benign and coming from a naive place. Others view her as malicious. One of the differences between these viewers is the bias that their own personal experience brings to the story.

"Taking on extra baggage" is just life. Everything we do, everything we experience in life is baggage. Sometimes it adds to the load we carry, other times it can help lift the load. But we ALL carry baggage. We can't all run off to a convent/monastery and shut off the outside world. We don't have the luxury of experiencing one "issue" at a time in life. Sometimes it feels like everything hits us at once. Sometimes we get hit by positive things, and other times, we get hit by the weight of the world.

As the saying goes, "all is fair in love and war." Alexis meets the now more mature MC and is attracted to him. He is not married. He is a mature man who can make his own decisions. If she wants to go after him, she has every right. OTHERS may judge her behavior and her for having sex with a guy she just met on an airplane. But it is her right to offer, and his right to choose. Personally, I would tell anyone that has issues with that to evaluate their judgment and what they are putting out into the world.

Maybe there will be a "dump her for Erynn/Iris" moment, or she catches you cheating with any random girl, but her personal tale seems over and i can't see any curveballs coming.

I think the tale is far from over. I do agree that there will be a time coming when the MC will have to choose between Alexis and Erynn if that is the route the player has chosen. And that cheating on Alexis will end that relationship.

ps: Good Question, would like to know whom else knows as well in regards to Ethan.

Alexis does know what kind of person Ethan is. Ethan told Erynn that he slept with Alexis in an attempt to drive a wedge between Erynn and Alexis. From that point on Alexis had nothing to do with Ethan. She explains that to the MC and Erynn.

 

[NebulousShooter]

I guess the best still is to play all the routes and the best way to do it is by not projecting yourself and imposing yourself on the MC. To get the best outcome for the route is to make the best decisions for the MC for that route.

I feel that is the root of most drama with consumers of the genre, they self insert and anything deviating from their fan-fic version of events is met with vitriol.

They don't go in trying to play/roleplay the MC, THEY are the MC and he is the avatar through which they exercise their IRL shortcomings and frustration. To say that they go in looking for confirmation bias on their beliefs and world view, its me being kind.

Its not rare to run into threads around here where you'll see them harassing devs to steer the story a certain way, or threatening they will stop supporting if 'X' doesn't happen how they want(Well, the messages usually do get deleted by mods, but if you are active in real time into game threads you will see). definitely some of the weirdest, most self centered and demanding fanbases I've ever met online and I've been on the internet since forever.

 

[MrD812]

I do completely understand why players have a problem with a character's behavior and why that player may have such an extreme emotional response. It is great to hear that the story affects someone so personally. It is important to remember that, in the end, it is just a story.

Some players can view Alexis's behavior as being benign and coming from a naive place. Others view her as malicious. One of the differences between these viewers is the bias that their own personal experience brings to the story.

"Taking on extra baggage" is just life. Everything we do, everything we experience in life is baggage. Sometimes it adds to the load we carry, other times it can help lift the load. But we ALL carry baggage. We can't all run off to a convent/monastery and shut off the outside world. We don't have the luxury of experiencing one "issue" at a time in life. Sometimes it feels like everything hits us at once. Sometimes we get hit by positive things, and other times, we get hit by the weight of the world.

As the saying goes, "all is fair in love and war." Alexis meets the now more mature MC and is attracted to him. He is not married. He is a mature man who can make his own decisions. If she wants to go after him, she has every right. OTHERS may judge her behavior and her for having sex with a guy she just met on an airplane. But it is her right to offer, and his right to choose. Personally, I would tell anyone that has issues with that to evaluate their judgment and what they are putting out into the world.

I think the tale is far from over. I do agree that there will be a time coming when the MC will have to choose between Alexis and Erynn if that is the route the player has chosen. And that cheating on Alexis will end that relationship.

Alexis does know what kind of person Ethan is. Ethan told Erynn that he slept with Alexis in an attempt to drive a wedge between Erynn and Alexis. From that point on Alexis had nothing to do with Ethan. She explains that to the MC and Erynn.

Sorry, not only do i disagree.
Not buying the excuses for one second.
Dishonest is dishonest, no matter how one justifies it.

Secondly about "anyone else knowing" about Ethan's actions/blackmailing.
Has Nothing to do with Alexis.

 

[Nurikabe]

Sorry, not only do i disagree.
Not buying the excuses for one second.
Dishonest is dishonest, no matter how one justifies it.

Secondly about "anyone else knowing" about Ethan's actions/blackmailing.
Has Nothing to do with Alexis.

I can appreciate that dishonesty is a hard limit for you. Personally, I look at honesty as a spectrum — not black and white. For example, I can relay a story to my best friend, my mother, and a work colleague. The level of detail can change dramatically depending on who my audience is. My best friend may get the unabridged version of what actually happened. While my mother and work colleague may get the same story with certain details omitted. Some people consider that dishonesty or lies of omission. I consider that wise judgment and awareness of my audience.

The second part, Alexis knowing Ethan is a piece of shit, was in regards to that post where you asked if anyone else knew about Ethan.
Edit: But I don't think anyone else knows about Ethan's current level of debauchery and hell he is putting Erynn through.

 

[LSC82]

I do completely understand why players have a problem with a character's behavior and why that player may have such an extreme emotional response. It is great to hear that the story affects someone so personally. It is important to remember that, in the end, it is just a story.

Some players can view Alexis's behavior as being benign and coming from a naive place. Others view her as malicious. One of the differences between these viewers is the bias that their own personal experience brings to the story.

"Taking on extra baggage" is just life. Everything we do, everything we experience in life is baggage. Sometimes it adds to the load we carry, other times it can help lift the load. But we ALL carry baggage. We can't all run off to a convent/monastery and shut off the outside world. We don't have the luxury of experiencing one "issue" at a time in life. Sometimes it feels like everything hits us at once. Sometimes we get hit by positive things, and other times, we get hit by the weight of the world.

As the saying goes, "all is fair in love and war." Alexis meets the now more mature MC and is attracted to him. He is not married. He is a mature man who can make his own decisions. If she wants to go after him, she has every right. OTHERS may judge her behavior and her for having sex with a guy she just met on an airplane. But it is her right to offer, and his right to choose. Personally, I would tell anyone that has issues with that to evaluate their judgment and what they are putting out into the world.

I think the tale is far from over. I do agree that there will be a time coming when the MC will have to choose between Alexis and Erynn if that is the route the player has chosen. And that cheating on Alexis will end that relationship.

I think "taking on extra baggage" is ok if it's done consciously, when Alexis chose deception, sold herself as something she was not(no strings attached), Alexis dumped extra baggage on our lap without our knowledge.

"Alexis meets the now more mature MC and is attracted to him. He is not married. He is a mature man who can make his own decisions. If she wants to go after him, she has every right."
Well she should tell him who she is then, so he can make an informed decision rather than one under false pretenses, she has the right to chase her happyness, no doubt, the dishonest method she chose to approach this is why i criticize the character.

I judge her less on the fact that she went for a one night stand and more on the fact that she kept banging him while not telling him what kind of baggage she brought along and doing that behind her friends back(who she suspects carries a major flag for this guy).

"I think the tale is far from over. I do agree that there will be a time coming when the MC will have to choose between Alexis and Erynn if that is the route the player has chosen. And that cheating on Alexis will end that relationship."
I hope so, because her story feels stale(imo), maybe there will be a final "choose one" with Erynn scene and inevitably dating other girls is gonna backfire at some point, let's see.

 

[MrD812]

I can appreciate that dishonesty is a hard limit for you. Personally, I look at honesty as a spectrum — not black and white. For example, I can relay a story to my best friend, my mother, and a work colleague. The level of detail can change dramatically depending on who my audience is. My best friend may get the unabridged version of what actually happened. While my mother and work colleague may get the same story with certain details omitted. Some people consider that dishonesty or lies of omission. I consider that wise judgment and awareness of my audience.

The second part, Alexis knowing Ethan is a piece of shit, was in regards to that post where you asked if anyone else knew about Ethan.
Edit: But I don't think anyone else knows about Ethan's current level of debauchery and hell he is putting Erynn through.

Dishonesty is just Dishonesty.
My limits or anyone's are irrelevant to 'what it is' OR, the JUSTIFICATIONS for 'it'.
Making excuses for continuing to lie and manipulate for one's personal gain(Alexis), changes nothing.

It's what has been written into Alexis' character by the Author, Nyx(not me).
Is there to see for whomever may be inclined to read it all(it's not an opinion).
Has nothing to do with Judgement, it just is.

But yes, Puma and i are curious to know 'Who Else' might know of of Ethan's actions.
Are You not curious?
We already know Alexis hates him, that's a given!

 

[Nurikabe]

Dishonesty is just Dishonesty.
My limits or anyone's are irrelevant to 'what it is' OR, the JUSTIFICATIONS for 'it'.
Making excuses for continuing to lie and manipulate for one's personal gain(Alexis), changes nothing.

It's what has been written into Alexis' character by the Author, Nyx(not me).
Is there to see for whomever may be inclined to read it all(it's not an opinion).
Has nothing to do with Judgement, it just is.

But yes, Puma and i are curious to know 'Who Else' might know of of Ethan's actions.
Are You not curious?
We already know Alexis hates him, that's a given!

Do you have a notion that someone else knows?

I don't think Zach knows what is really going on. He adores "Erynn." I use quotes because he is infatuated with the model persona of Erynn. He doesn't actually know her. But I do not think he would approve of the way Ethan treats her.

Obviously, the parents do not know what Ethan is doing. Alexis does not know everything he is doing. I think he is a lone wolf with a hardon for Erynn and making her his bitch. A sadistic POS that gets off on hurting others.

We don't know who his dad is (he owns the company Ethan and Erynn work for). Perhaps he is someone we have already met, or maybe he will never be important to the story.

 

[Trojaner]

We already know Alexis hates him, that's a given!

Yeah, but not why exactly she hates him so much ... Maybe because he enjoyd her Backdoor and thats why.
Questions after Questions and never some real answers.

 

[Nurikabe]

I think "taking on extra baggage" is ok if it's done consciously, when Alexis chose deception, sold herself as something she was not(no strings attached), Alexis dumped extra baggage on our lap without our knowledge.

"Alexis meets the now more mature MC and is attracted to him. He is not married. He is a mature man who can make his own decisions. If she wants to go after him, she has every right."
Well she should tell him who she is then, so he can make an informed decision rather than one under false pretenses, she has the right to chase her happyness, no doubt, the dishonest method she chose to approach this is why i criticize the character.

I judge her less on the fact that she went for a one night stand and more on the fact that she kept banging him while not telling him what kind of baggage she brought along and doing that behind her friends back(who she suspects carries a major flag for this guy).

"I think the tale is far from over. I do agree that there will be a time coming when the MC will have to choose between Alexis and Erynn if that is the route the player has chosen. And that cheating on Alexis will end that relationship."
I hope so, because her story feels stale(imo), maybe there will be a final "choose one" with Erynn scene and inevitably dating other girls is gonna backfire at some point, let's see.

You have the option, as a player, to completely ignore Alexis from the moment you meet her. You have the option to pursue her, have a one-night stand with her, have a full relationship, or just a hookup. The author gave us ALL these choices. If you choose to pursue her, then the story plays out that you keep bumping into her and she falls for you.

What exactly is she selling? I do not remember ever having a discussion about a one-night stand. Or her saying that is what it was. You, as the player, have to choose to pursue her. And then it turns into a relationship. That route leads to a confrontation where you can choose to forgive her for not telling you who she was from the beginning OR you can choose to walk away and not forgive her. YOU have the choice.

You even have the choice of telling Layla about the MC and Alexis...TWICE!

Yeah, but not why exactly she hates him so much ... Maybe because he enjoyd her Backdoor and thats why.
Questions after Questions and never some real answers.

Alexis clearly states that she never did ANYTHING with Ethan. That is where we learn that Ethan has been manipulating Erynn and her relationships all along.

 

[Trojaner]

Alexis clearly states that she never did ANYTHING with Ethan. That is where we learn that Ethan has been manipulating Erynn and her relationships all along.

Are you sure, that ya trust someone who lied (or atleast kept important infos a secret) already to her Best Friend & MC.

 

[MrD812]

Do you have a notion that someone else knows?

I don't think Zach knows what is really going on. He adores "Erynn." I use quotes because he is infatuated with the model persona of Erynn. He doesn't actually know her. But I do not think he would approve of the way Ethan treats her.

Obviously, the parents do not know what Ethan is doing. Alexis does not know everything he is doing. I think he is a lone wolf with a hardon for Erynn and making her his bitch. A sadistic POS that gets off on hurting others.

We don't know who his dad is (he owns the company Ethan and Erynn work for). Perhaps he is someone we have already met, or maybe he will never be important to the story.

That's the thing!!
There are several possibilities to go on and there MUST be someone else in the mix of things that knows.
Where the heck is Zane and whatever happen to him?

Is he somehow involved with all this mess with the modeling agency?
And Yeah, how deep does Ethan's dad fit into all of this?
SOMEONE else has to know about what's happening.

Erynn cannot possibly be the only that's being manipulated in the scheme of things.
Going by the type of scumbag Ethan is.

 

[MrD812]

Yeah, but not why exactly she hates him so much ... Maybe because he enjoyd her Backdoor and thats why.
Questions after Questions and never some real answers.

ROTFLMAO!!
On a serious note.
He tried to split up her friendship with Erynn or am i mistaken?

 

[Trojaner]

ROTFLMAO!!
On a serious note.
He tried to split up her friendship with Erynn or am i mistaken?

Yeah but thats only on part of it .... Who can tell if it is all true and what really happend.

 

[MrD812]

Yeah but thats only on part of it .... Who can tell if it is all true and what really happend.

You have a solid point there.
Could possibly be more to the story.
Lets face it, Lexi isn't known for being honest but i just cannot see her allowing Ethan to get over on her AT ALL.

EDIT: or perhaps that's my wishful thinking that she wouldn't?

 

[Trojaner]

You have a solid point there.
Could possibly be more to the story.
Lets face it, Lexi isn't known for being honest but i just cannot see her allowing Ethan to get over on her AT ALL.

Well, for me Lexi is dead a long time. Keep Secrets and Lying is a NoGo. So in reality i don't care who she is fucking or not. Not my MC.

 

[MrD812]

Well, for me Lexi is dead a long time. Keep Secrets and Lying is a NoGo. So in realaty i don't care who she is fucking or not. Not my MC.

I hear ya.
Some things are just unacceptable.
Regardless of intent.

 

[Nurikabe]

Dishonesty is just Dishonesty.
My limits or anyone's are irrelevant to 'what it is' OR, the JUSTIFICATIONS for 'it'.
Making excuses for continuing to lie and manipulate for one's personal gain(Alexis), changes nothing.

It's what has been written into Alexis' character by the Author, Nyx(not me).
Is there to see for whomever may be inclined to read it all(it's not an opinion).
Has nothing to do with Judgement, it just is.

Are you sure, that ya trust someone who lied already to her Best Friend & MC.

It is all about perception, and perception is influenced by your experience...your bias.

You can choose to perceive Alexis as a lying, backstabbing POS. You can sit in harsh judgment of everything she does. Alexis lied to the MC and did not tell him who she was. She lied to Erynn and did not tell her she met, had sex with, and fell in love with the MC. Therefore, she is a lying POS. But that is on you. You perceive her that way.

I do not see it that way. I see her in a realistic setting where she runs into a guy she is attracted to. Then she learned that they have a past. But instead of telling him, she decides to have a one-time, mile-high romp. As luck would have it, you continue to bump into her. You share friends and places in common. Before you know it, some time has passed and you are growing closer. But she still hasn't come clean about who she is. And when she does, you have the choice of forgiving her or telling her to pack her shit. It is all a very realistic scenario. I have been there. I recognize that she lied about who she was. And I recognize that she has been honest about everything else in her life. I have to make a judgment call. And I do not consider her a lying POS. You do. That is a difference of opinion. Your judgment versus mine.

There is no right or wrong. No black and white. I forgive. You don't. Your life. My life. I have made a conscious decision in my life to do my best to not judge people because I have not lived their life. That carries into how I view a fictional character. Did she lie? Yes. Is it damaging to how I see her from that point on? No. She is repentant. As a person who has lied and been lied to, I have chosen to forgive. Move on.

 

[MrD812]

It is all about perception, and perception is influenced by your experience...your bias.

You can choose to perceive Alexis as a lying, backstabbing POS. You can sit in harsh judgment of everything she does. Alexis lied to the MC and did not tell him who she was. She lied to Erynn and did not tell her she met, had sex with, and fell in love with the MC. Therefore, she is a lying POS. But that is on you. You perceive her that way.

I do not see it that way. I see her in a realistic setting where she runs into a guy she is attracted to. Then she learned that they have a past. But instead of telling him, she decides to have a one-time, mile-high romp. As luck would have it, you continue to bump into her. You share friends and places in common. Before you know it, some time has passed and you are growing closer. But she still hasn't come clean about who she is. And when she does, you have the choice of forgiving her or telling her to pack her shit. It is all a very realistic scenario. I have been there. I recognize that she lied about who she was. And I recognize that she has been honest about everything else in her life. I have to make a judgment call. And I do not consider her a lying POS. You do. That is a difference of opinion. Your judgment versus mine.

There is no right or wrong. No black and white. I forgive. You don't. Your life. My life. I have made a conscious decision in my life to do my best to not judge people because I have not lived their life. That carries into how I view a fictional character. Did she lie? Yes. Is it damaging to how I see her from that point on? No. She is repentant. As a person who has lied and been lied to, I have chosen to forgive. Move on.

Perception has nothing to do with definition of dishonesty.
It's not an opinion.
It is what it is.

To lie, continue to lie, manipulate, continue to manipulate.
What she did continually has nothing to do with opinion.
What part of this is so incomprehensible for You?

Keep making excuses, will still change Nothing.
Fact, not fiction.

 

[LSC82]

You have the option, as a player, to completely ignore Alexis from the moment you meet her. You have the option to pursue her, have a one-night stand with her, have a full relationship, or just a hookup. The author gave us ALL these choices. If you choose to pursue her, then the story plays out that you keep bumping into her and she falls for you.

What exactly is she selling? I do not remember ever having a discussion about a one-night stand. Or her saying that is what it was. You, as the player, have to choose to pursue her. And then it turns into a relationship. That route leads to a confrontation where you can choose to forgive her for not telling you who she was from the beginning OR you can choose to walk away and not forgive her. YOU have the choice.

You even have the choice of telling Layla about the MC and Alexis...TWICE!



Alexis clearly states that she never did ANYTHING with Ethan. That is where we learn that Ethan has been manipulating Erynn and her relationships all along.

You are missing the point, she appears to be offering "no strings attached sex" to begin the game, only there are strings, big ones.
On my "main" i broke up with her at the pizzaria once i saw she wasn't what she was selling at first.
Over, gone, dusted, and it's completely fine, it's not a major problem of the game.

When i comment here talking about her i'm making an argument why i consider her to be an unnatractive option TO ME, i'm analysing the story and the character as portrayed and why it makes me want to stay away.

Furthermore exploring different paths.
I think there's very little depth to the discussion, and how you HAVE to take her arguments at face value and agree with her to stay on her path, you can't question her.
It jumps straight into commited relationship and devolves into routine dating, personally i would appreciate a slower build up in the "second time", it might've given me a chance to warm up to her, unfortunately it's either fully commited or gone.
Last but not least, i don't like how conflicts are being handled, you can avoid telling Erynn about dating Alexis at first, but after the sports event the MC tells it automatically, i don't have the option to keep lying and see how much further i can extend this lie.
Layla and Alexis, if you keep lying Alexis finds out off screen, which is not unrealistic given that they live on the same house, but i was hoping for more fireworks.

Well, for me Lexi is dead a long time. Keep Secrets and Lying is a NoGo. So in reality i don't care who she is fucking or not. Not my MC.

My man

 

[Sh0gvn]

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Progress Update - Episode 10

I'm having internet issues for some weeks now but since last week it's just horrible. They're trying to fix it but have no idea what causes it. So, the redownloading of all my assets and doing a clean reinstall is on hold. Having bad internet had no impact on the progress as of yet though. But not being able to play my music while working is frustrating.

Anyway. Made some good progress in the last few days. I was finally able to use an asset I had for a long time but the old pc couldn't handle it at all. Just the asset alone without any character was too much already. Now I can use it, put characters in it and other props, ... and it renders great. It's a city asset how I picture Madison Springs to look like. More like a Miami vibe than the grey and boring streets I've been using so far. Here's an example (Sorry for the spoiler.)

There are finally more people living in the city besides the "main" cast.

Of course, it takes more time creating/setting up these renders, but it looks more lively this way. I like it

Still working on the Saturday scenes. It's getting way bigger than expected again. That's totally my fault though. While creating a short "intermission" scene of 5 renders to jump from one scene to the next, I got an idea and those 5 renders turned to 100+. More content for you, I guess. It's not the first time this happened either and won't be the last.