VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14] [Nyx]

[MilesEdgeworth]

Im instantly regretting my decision to be a zach in my playthroughs.

I think what Alexis did at that moment was very caring and gentle, but doesn't indicate big prior connection, some people are nice to others just because they are nice in general.
Some people give up their sits on the subway, some pretend not to see an old person...

Alexis saw a kid hurting and tried to lift up his spirits... her words in that scene didn't sound like "i wish you gave the flowers to me instead", just general "keep your chin up" stuff.

I think before the backyard she may have "liked" him in the way you might think the friend of your friend is a nice guy.

The only other reference to how much they were connected before the backyard is when Erynn says this:

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They are confronting and speaking directly to each other, no reason for that to be a lie, perhaps it's an exaggeration? There must've been at least a couple of "good morning, nice to see you" lol.

Yeah, not to belabor this point, but if we take the context clues, the indication seems to be that she came across him on her way home. If she had walked the other way, that scene would've never happened. It doesn't make what she did any less sweet; it's just something to consider.

 

[cooldevo]

Im instantly regretting my decision to be a zach in my playthroughs.




Yeah, not to belabor this point, but if we take the context clues, the indication seems to be that she came across him on her way home. If she had walked the other way, that scene would've never happened. It doesn't make what she did any less sweet; it's just something to consider.

That's what makes the flashback scenes so tricky.

Erynn's flashback tells some details, Lexi when she tells her side seems to me to imply a slightly different purpose. Again, I'm reading between the lines, but when Lexi tells you about the scene it just feels like there was more to it than courtesy. But I could be way off.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

To play devil's advocate....as much as I like Erynn, she is a girl (and probably always was) who is far too wrapped up in herself to to really notice who Lexi ever spoke to and when.

It's hard to say, but the indication seems to be that he was Erynn's shadow. He wouldn't have been there if Ethan or Alexis had their druthers. Erynn was probably right when she said that. That being said, that legit has nothing to do with the present, and I think even Erynn realizes she was being irrational in calling dibs on Mc because she knew him in the past and being mad at Alexis for going after him.

 

[LSC82]

I agree with you, but doesn't Lexi reply to Erynn that that's not true?

I thought this was one of the breadcrumb mystery deals Nyx drops in every now and then that later gets revealed.

It's not a reply, she just thinks that to herself but doesn't say anything.


Of course her memory goes straight to the backyard as to why what Erynn just said isn't true... so we are back at square one, her only memory of him being the backyard...

Yeah, not to belabor this point, but if we take the context clues, the indication seems to be that she came across him on her way home. If she had walked the other way, that scene would've never happened. It doesn't make what she did any less sweet; it's just something to consider.

I'm not a fan of the character(everyone knows that by now lol), but even i have to admit she was very nice in that scene... wether she ran into him by accident while leaving or she chased after him to lift up his spirits.
And yeah it's not 100% clear wether she ran into him by coincidence or intentionally.

To play devil's advocate....as much as I like Erynn, she is a girl (and probably always was) who is far too wrapped up in herself to to really notice who Lexi ever spoke to and when.

I also like Erynn, and i also think this is fair enough lol.
Sometimes she's perceptive, but most of the time super aloof.

I still lean towards Alexis and Mc not having major connections prior to his return, most factors point this way, not just aloof Erynn.

 

[earthfire]

Yes...but with a slice of Tori to go along with it. She does actually get better....though she still loves pissing off Daryl in the process.

I mean, pissing of Daryl i can understand and fair enough.

She's starting to soften up but doing her best to hold up her tough chick act.
Each time she cracks a little bit, she denies and says something bitchy right after.

Well from what you two say then maybe i will try and give her route a try someday. Probably after I've probably done everyone else's first. Though I'm always kind of amazed that Tori even has a route.

 

[cooldevo]

It's hard to say, but the indication seems to be that he was Erynn's shadow. He wouldn't have been there if Ethan or Alexis had their druthers. Erynn was probably right when she said that. That being said, that legit has nothing to do with the present, and I think even Erynn realizes she was being irrational in calling dibs on Mc because she knew him in the past and being mad at Alexis for going after him.

One of my many favorite scenes, is when MC locks Erynn and Lexi into the room and even threatens to get them a bathroom bucket if they take too long. There's a lot of fantastic storytelling scenes with Erynn if you go sole Lexi path.

And yeah, he was Erynn's shadow. They were best friends, she even dressed him up in her clothes and makeup. There is at least one scene where he sees a picture of himself dressed up.

And on the Lexi path when Erynn and her have their argument that Lexi makes it sound like Erynn didn't fully grasp some elements. I still think it comes down to her being too shy within the group dynamics.

 

[cooldevo]

It's not a reply, she just thinks that to herself but doesn't say anything.
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Of course her memory goes straight to the backyard as to why what Erynn just said isn't true... so we are back at square one, her only memory of him being the backyard...

I think what complicates things is there is a LOT of vagueness between the two. You only get what Lexi thinks in the argument, and what she tells you about the moment if MC is on her route. Erynn's retelling doesn't have the same details post-MC leaving that Lexi does, but as Erynn wasn't there that's not surprising.

If Lexi really had zero connection with MC, then why stop? Why would she feel he needed to be consoled, wished happy birthday, and then kiss MC on the cheek? Yeah I'm reading between the lines, but it just doesn't strike me as something someone with zero interest/connection would do.

In the flashback, the MC never says it's his birthday and Erynn never says it, so how does Lexi know? She can't just have guessed, and there's no indication they hung out earlier in the day based on Emily's conversation with the MC when he goes over there. If MC and Lexi had no connection at all, why would she even know his birthdate? Again, some of the pieces just don't fully add up in my mind. I don't think it was a mutual connection, but I just get the feeling that Lexi may have had some interest in MC, and comes across as very shy about it.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

And on the Lexi path when Erynn and her have their argument that Lexi makes it sound like Erynn didn't fully grasp some elements. I still think it comes down to her being too shy within the group dynamics.

I don't think it had anything to do with shyness. At that point, I believe that she was too mature for MC. If I'm not mistaken, they have a three-year age gap. They were not on the same wavelength. It's one thing when the kid is your next-door neighbor, quite another when the kid is a friend of a friend.

A less controversial take: As much as I'm not a fan of short hair, Iris looks much better with short hair.

 

[byaaahh]

It's not a reply, she just thinks that to herself but doesn't say anything.
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Of course her memory goes straight to the backyard as to why what Erynn just said isn't true... so we are back at square one, her only memory of him being the backyard...

It's a pretty strong memory to have. Sure at that point we see the cheek kiss, but later find out that MC stole her first kiss.

Her like for him probably manifested when Erynn would tell her how great he was and how she misses him during the 5 year separation. She never had anyone treat her how he treated Erynn, so when she had a chance on the plane, she jumped his bone.

 

[Maviarab]

I think what complicates things is there is a LOT of vagueness between the two. You only get what Lexi thinks in the argument, and what she tells you about the moment if MC is on her route. Erynn's retelling doesn't have the same details post-MC leaving that Lexi does, but as Erynn wasn't there that's not surprising.

If Lexi really had zero connection with MC, then why stop? Why would she feel he needed to be consoled, wished happy birthday, and then kiss MC on the cheek? Yeah I'm reading between the lines, but it just doesn't strike me as something someone with zero interest/connection would do.

In the flashback, the MC never says it's his birthday and Erynn never says it, so how does Lexi know? She can't just have guessed, and there's no indication they hung out earlier in the day based on Emily's conversation with the MC when he goes over there. If MC and Lexi had no connection at all, why would she even know his birthdate? Again, some of the pieces just don't fully add up in my mind. I don't think it was a mutual connection, but I just get the feeling that Lexi may have had some interest in MC, and comes across as very shy about it.

This

If I'm not mistaken, they have a three-year age gap

Who knows what the gap will be now...it's only about 18 months now IIRC unless she changing everyone elses ages.

A less controversial take: As much as I'm not a fan of short hair, Iris looks much better with short hair.

Miles...go and sit in the corner and reflect on your words.

 

[cooldevo]

I don't think it had anything to do with shyness. At that point, I believe that she was too mature for MC. If I'm not mistaken, they have a three-year age gap. They were not on the same wavelength. It's one thing when the kid is your next-door neighbor, quite another when the kid is a friend of a friend.

Perhaps shyness isn't the right word, but maybe "inner turmoil" perhaps? She very often thinks contradictory things, but doesn't vocalize them.

Just like the argument with Erynn, she disagrees in her head but doesn't actually say it.
In the flashback a "heh. he just stole...". 'Heh' is used like a light laugh in other parts of the game.

A less controversial take: As much as I'm not a fan of short hair, Iris looks much better with short hair.

Oh yes, agree on both counts here.... I'm not a huge fan of short hair but it looks good on Iris. As well as putting the two side-by-side with long hair is just disconcerting. I'm still waiting for the moment when they address Erynn, Iris, and Iris' dad looking virtually identical. I have my own theory of course.

 

[valbitterb]

For anyone who actually did the Tori route, does she ever actually show a softer side or is she always just Tori?

She's starting to soften up but doing her best to hold up her tough chick act.
Each time she cracks a little bit, she denies and says something bitchy right after.

She's the nasty bitch slow burn parallel to the Erynn, Elena and Val paths.

Slows burn are usually because of long term romances, lady personal problems, distance or obstacles and antagonists in the path. In Tori's case, it's the glacial, slow burn of her bad attitude.

Even Quinn's (who I'm not a fan of) soft side and an explanation of why she's a ruthless hard ass shows up faster than hers. Even the first light moment between Darryl and the MC shows up faster.

The writing of Tori's character (and Darryl's) have to be improved. She's currently very one dimensional.

I'm having a hard time deciding which path to play first. I want to see Erynn's beach date as I've been waiting for that forever, then there's Val's beach date.

I still need to do an Erynn solo run, so if Nyx has done some more rework I will use that one as an excuse to see the changes.

Otherwise I am good to go:

• Layla
• Layla (Alexis Secret Path)
• Elena
• Alexis
• Nikki
• Cara
• Valeria

I know which path I'm going for, straight down, and right into ...

 

[LSC82]

I think what complicates things is there is a LOT of vagueness between the two. You only get what Lexi thinks in the argument, and what she tells you about the moment if MC is on her route. Erynn's retelling doesn't have the same details post-MC leaving that Lexi does, but as Erynn wasn't there that's not surprising.

If Lexi really had zero connection with MC, then why stop? Why would she feel he needed to be consoled, wished happy birthday, and then kiss MC on the cheek? Yeah I'm reading between the lines, but it just doesn't strike me as something someone with zero interest/connection would do.

In the flashback, the MC never says it's his birthday and Erynn never says it, so how does Lexi know? She can't just have guessed, and there's no indication they hung out earlier in the day based on Emily's conversation with the MC when he goes over there. If MC and Lexi had no connection at all, why would she even know his birthdate? Again, some of the pieces just don't fully add up in my mind. I don't think it was a mutual connection, but I just get the feeling that Lexi may have had some interest in MC, and comes across as very shy about it.

I think we already covered that... she was just nice, there doesn't need to be anything bigger than she did a nice gesture due to being a nice person.
She saw a little kid get bullied by a stupid asshole, on his birthday, she sees this kid sad and dejected... she tries to cheer him up...
I don't feel this warrants any further explanation, she saw a kid feeling bad(someone she knows... at least a friend of a friend) and decided to cheer him up, sounds like something any humane person would do... had she simply walked past him ignoring his suffering it would be the actions of a self centered cunt.

As for the next point i can only speculate, maybe Erynn told her this was his birthday before the flashback even starts "i have to stop by MCs house later, it's his birthday", maybe the same thing a few days earlier... but there isn't a single solid thing telling us how she learned this info.

I honestly can't see any special interest before the kiss, after the kiss he does have a "this is the guy that gave me my first kiss" tag and that makes him special for her.

She's the nasty bitch slow burn parallel to the Erynn, Elena and Val paths.

Slows burn are usually because of long term romances, lady personal problems, distance or obstacles and antagonists in the path. In Tori's case, it's the glacial, slow burn of her bad attitude.

Even Quinn's (who I'm not a fan of) soft side and an explanation of why she's a ruthless hard ass shows up faster than hers. Even the first light moment between Darryl and the MC shows up faster.

The writing of Tori's character (and Darryl's) have to be improved. She's currently very one dimensional.

A different kind of slow burn, the sex isn't slow, it happens right away...
But her becoming an actual character has been a slowwwww gradual proccess.

I know which path I'm going for, straight down, and right into ...


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[valbitterb]

A different kind of slow burn, the sex isn't slow, it happens right away...
But her becoming an actual character has been a slowwwww gradual proccess.

That's a better way and more succinct way of putting it than the way I did it. Damn you.

Yum yum!!!

Her like for him probably manifested when Erynn would tell her how great he was and how she misses him during the 5 year separation. She never had anyone treat her how he treated Erynn, so when she had a chance on the plane, she jumped his bone.

I agree. That sounds more plausible for Alexis's character rather than her always having this secret crush for the MC since they were younger.

I'm not a fan of her character, but hopefully we get more details - apart from the nasty volleyball injury as to why Erynn calls her emotionally fragile, why Adriana says to the MC she's changed for the better ever since they've been in a relationship. What happened to her before?

(I also feel the same way about Val. Why does Val behave the way she does? My theory is that she's the female version of the MC. There was a guy she opened her heart to (probably the one she sent the selfies to on her phone?), and he broke her heart. I'm guessing it's someone from pole vaulting since the MC tells Val on the track meet bus that he's wondering why she shifted from pole vault to sprinting if she was so good at pole vaulting. Val looks uncomfortable when he brings it up with those telltale ellipses in her dialogue line " . . . "

Lexi does get some well deserved criticism for betraying Erynn, her bestie. But even I admit that Val deserves criticism too. Val is the reverse of Lexi's case. She won't betray a friend like Layla, but if you're not her friend, and you're in her way, she'll have no qualms about shanking you to get to the guy she likes.)

 

[Maviarab]

I honestly can't see any special interest before the kiss

Gonna have to play the devil...again (you make it far too easy)...

So everything in your mind is...maybe, maybe, maybe, no evidence, no proof...nothing shown blah blah blahh/....

But what I quoted...is set in stone and undeniable...despite what you keep professing to the contrary....

*shrugs*...so which is it? You cannot have one and not the other. It's all or nothing. So there is either no proof of either, (therefore you cannot make solid stone cold blanket statements)...or there is.

 

[Justaphase]

I know which path I'm going for, straight down, and right into ...


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Getting straight down to business then I see....I respect it!

 

[Justaphase]

Gonna have to play the devil...again (you make it far too easy)...

So everything in your mind is...maybe, maybe, maybe, no evidence, no proof...nothing shown blah blah blahh/....

But what I quoted...is set in stone and undeniable...despite what you keep professing to the contrary....

*shrugs*...so which is it? You cannot have one and not the other. It's all or nothing. So there is either no proof of either, (therefore you cannot make solid stone cold blanket statements)...or there is.

Perhaps he is just giving his opinion? Not trying to make an absolute statement.
Many things are left purposefully vague in Intertwined.

 

[byaaahh]

I just had a thought, wouldn't it be funny if Elena's father was Andres?

 

[Justaphase]

I just had a thought, wouldn't it be funny if Elena's father was Andres?

Dios Mio...

 

[LSC82]

Gonna have to play the devil...again (you make it far too easy)...

So everything in your mind is...maybe, maybe, maybe, no evidence, no proof...nothing shown blah blah blahh/....

But what I quoted...is set in stone and undeniable...despite what you keep professing to the contrary....

*shrugs*...so which is it? You cannot have one and not the other. It's all or nothing. So there is either no proof of either, (therefore you cannot make solid stone cold blanket statements)...or there is.

You weren't even in the conversation, i have no idea what you quoted...

Everything points to no connection at all, the lack of memories of each other, Erynn saying they never talked, the fact that all their memories of each other goes back to one single moment and that absolutely nothing else ever comes up.

People saying they had this big connection are the ones doing extrapolations... "well Erynn could've been wrong", "i believe that she liked him more than that", how about you bring some "undeniable proof"?

Perhaps he is just giving his opinion? Not trying to make an absolute statement.
Many things are left purposefully vague in Intertwined.

You try to play nice and not do absolute statements and look what happens...