VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[Maviarab]

Nope, no change in points there. Seems a lot of scenes from episodes 11+ don't give points where I thought they would. Even some of the date scenes don't give points.

    n "*Ding-dong*"
    mc "{i}(Perfect timing!){/i}"
    scene 11_907 with Dissolve(1)
    mc "..."
    da "..."
    scene 11_908 with Dissolve(1)
    da "Here's your order."
    mc "Thanks."
    menu:
        "Take the food":
            scene 11_909 with Dissolve(1)
            da "That explains a lot!"
        "Tip him":
            scene 11_910 with Dissolve(1)
            mc "Here you go."
            da "It's already paid."
            mc "I know. It's a tip."
            da "I don't need..."
            mc "For fuck's sake. Just take it, Darryl!"
            scene 11_911 with Dissolve(1)
            mc "By the way. Five stars!"
            da "Heh... Shut up!"
    scene 11_912 with Dissolve(1)
    mc "I got the stuff!"
    la "Yay!"

Hmmm...wonder why the two different variants if it does nothing (no variable). Seems...

 

[Justaphase]

I'm not sure there are Darryl points... maybe there's a flag for tipping him, will have to look.
He reacts in a positive way(as positive as Darryl gets) to it however, that i'm sure.

Edit: Also it's chicken wings not pizza, just to be pedantic lol.

Yup chicken wings, though I prefer the chicken breast that the MC gets later.
And Darryl is a dick to the MC regardless, so no tip for him. He's lucky I didn't get the option to throw a chicken wing at him.

 

[Dessolos]

Yup chicken wings, though I prefer the chicken breast that the MC gets later.
And Darryl is a dick to the MC regardless, so no tip for him. He's lucky I didn't get the option to throw a chicken wing at him.

I actually gave him a tip I felt bad for him there I was like damn maybe if they hash things out I can maybe be friends with him

 

[Justaphase]

I actually gave him a tip I felt bad for him there I was like damn maybe if they hash things out I can maybe be friends with him

I seriously doubt that's possible. Plus he just doesn't seem like a good guy to me, or someone that I would want the MC to be friends with, I sure as hell wouldn't be friends with someone like that. Nathan will be coming to Madison Springs soon so the MC won't need any other friends, Nathan is a real one.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

the three girls i want the most and none of them are currently available. Im probably shacarri's biggest fanboy currently

 

[Justaphase]

the three girls i want the most and none of them are currently available. Im probably shacarri's biggest fanboy currently

She doesn't have short hair though. Though she could be wearing a wig I guess.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I actually gave him a tip I felt bad for him there I was like damn maybe if they hash things out I can maybe be friends with him

Same, I always thought that there is a chance that MC and Darryl could actually become not friends exactly, but maybe less enemies and team up to help Erynn. I'd rather have Darryl as an ally than doucheface.

I seriously doubt that's possible. Plus he just doesn't seem like a good guy to me, or someone that I would want the MC to be friends with, I sure as hell wouldn't be friends with someone like that. Nathan will be coming to Madison Springs soon so the MC won't need any other friends, Nathan is a real one.

Nathan would be even better.

 

[jadepaladin]

Flavor text only choices are one of my biggest pet peeves in VNs. Doubly so when they are scattered in games where other decisions matter. I guess it's just a difference of opinion when it comes to design philosophy.

I seriously doubt that's possible. Plus he just doesn't seem like a good guy to me, or someone that I would want the MC to be friends with, I sure as hell wouldn't be friends with someone like that. Nathan will be coming to Madison Springs soon so the MC won't need any other friends, Nathan is a real one.

We had no idea Nathan was coming until this episode. I can understand not liking Darryl based on his character but Nathan wouldn't influence that decision. Back when the hot tub party was the latest episode, all we had to go on was this empty choice on Layla's route as it being a possible turning point in Darryl's friendship.

 

[Justaphase]

Flavor text only choices are one of my biggest pet peeves in VNs. Doubly so when they are scattered in games where other decisions matter. I guess it's just a difference of opinion when it comes to design philosophy.




We had no idea Nathan was coming until this episode. I can understand not liking Darryl based on his character but Nathan wouldn't influence that decision. Back when the hot tub party was the latest episode, all we had to go on was this empty choice on Layla's route as it being a possible turning point in Darryl's friendship.

I don't think that it will matter, as the interaction only happens on the Layla path. So would be MC and Darryl only become friends or dislike the MC less if you're on the Layla path? That doesn't make much sense to me.
I would imagine that any possible burying the hatchet with Darryl will come from this relay race coming up. No doubt it will be winning together and maybe giving him the chance to run the final leg to finish the race and get the limelight or insist on taking the limelight ourselves.
We may even get some back story for Darryl that he needs to win the scholarship to get to MSU, as that is his only chance of going. Whereas Emily has already told the MC that he doesn't need it and it's all paid for.

 

[Dessolos]

Same, I always thought that there is a chance that MC and Darryl could actually become not friends exactly, but maybe less enemies and team up to help Erynn. I'd rather have Darryl as an ally than doucheface.

Yeah I only used the word friends cause I couldn't think of anything else to much f95 brianrot today. But I can see being friends with him if the game with on longer than than Summer if he did help with the Ethan stuff.

 

[jadepaladin]

I don't think that it will matter, as the interaction only happens on the Layla path. So would be MC and Darryl only become friends or dislike the MC less if you're on the Layla path? That doesn't make much sense to me.
I would imagine that any possible burying the hatchet with Darryl will come from this relay race coming up. No doubt it will be winning together and maybe giving him the chance to finish the race and get the limelight or insist on taking the limelight ourselves.

cooldevo proved earlier that the tipping doesn't matter. Nyx has hidden points inside other's routes before though. I think all we've pointed out so far is that Nyx has had opportunities to set stuff up and didn't take them. Ultimately it's her story and she'll tell it the way she wants to.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

She doesn't have short hair though. Though she could be wearing a wig I guess.

Yea sadly Iris is the only quality short hair in this game so I must make due.

 

[LSC82]

Flavor text only choices are one of my biggest pet peeves in VNs. Doubly so when they are scattered in games where other decisions matter. I guess it's just a difference of opinion when it comes to design philosophy.




We had no idea Nathan was coming until this episode. I can understand not liking Darryl based on his character but Nathan wouldn't influence that decision. Back when the hot tub party was the latest episode, all we had to go on was this empty choice on Layla's route as it being a possible turning point in Darryl's friendship.

I like flavor choices, they can be fun.
But they can be misleading too, sometimes you make a choice thinking it's something big and as it turns out it's just fluff (still thinking about the Erynn>Girlfriend choice having no effect).
Maybe the confusion factor is exactly why Nyx likes adding some meaningless flavor choices here and there.

I'm on camp "Darryl is not that bad", he's obviously a bit of douche, but i don't think he's irredeamable, maybe we can turn him good guy.
Coach was hinting about us working together this next week, so get ready for the sob story...
He's not rich like the others, needs to work, needs the scholarship... that's why he's such a douche to anyone that enters "his territory".

 

[Justaphase]

I like flavor choices, they can be fun.
But they can be misleading too, sometimes you make a choice thinking it's something big and as it turns out it's just fluff (still thinking about the Erynn>Girlfriend choice having no effect).
Maybe the confusion factor is exactly why Nyx likes adding some meaningless flavor choices here and there.

I'm on camp "Darryl is not that bad", he's obviously a bit of douche, but i don't think he's irredeamable, maybe we can turn him good guy.
Coach was hinting about us working together this next week, so get ready for the sob story...
He's not rich like the others, needs to work, needs the scholarship... that's why he's such a douche to anyone that enters "his territory".

I hope that we get the opportunity to steal the scholarship from him, even though the MC doesn't really need it.
Another douchebag MC choice to add to the pile.

 

[cooldevo]

cooldevo proved earlier that the tipping doesn't matter. Nyx has hidden points inside other's routes before though. I think all we've pointed out so far is that Nyx has had opportunities to set stuff up and didn't take them. Ultimately it's her story and she'll tell it the way she wants to.

That is true. I didn't go through the whole hot tub party scene to see if there is any tracking of the delivery. I would guess not, as Nyx will know if you were there to see Darryl if you were at the party. It just won't be possible to know if you tipped him or not. If MC didn't go to Layla's hot tub party, then you never saw Darryl there. Beyond that, there's really nothing to know about that particular moment.

I like flavor choices, they can be fun.
But they can be misleading too, sometimes you make a choice thinking it's something big and as it turns out it's just fluff (still thinking about the Erynn>Girlfriend choice having no effect).
Maybe the confusion factor is exactly why Nyx likes adding some meaningless flavor choices here and there.

It is also consistent with a number of other moments you can only see if on specific paths. Some of the scenes do track point changes or decision, but other's don't. For example:

• Iris/Erynn/Lexi beach trip. There's a lot of talking and scenes between the three of them that the MC will never see unless on Lexi's path(s). Same with getting to see Val and Darryl at the beach, you can see it if you go to the beach, hear Val retell it if on her path, or Erynn just tells you it was a girls beach day.
• Elena's beach visit Layla bails and her mom drops her brothers off. You get a lot of interesting context with Elena, her mom, and brothers, that you don't see unless you have enough Elena points.
• If Elena points are high enough, you can practice cheering with her at her house. It's the only way I've found thus far for the MS Cheer Team to finish in first place. Every other time, they always finish second. But again, you also see tidbits of Elena, when at her house, you never see elsewhere.
• Lexi will only help Erynn if you are on her path(s) and lock the two of them in Erynn's room. Any other choice, you never see/hear Erynn tell her best friend at any point. Even after you convince Erynn to tell Melissa and Emily.

The Erynn girlfriend moment playing volleyball on her beach date, to me, was one of the biggest misses in the story thus far. It was set up perfectly and then just dropped. Here's hoping something even better can replace it when they do become official... and not just "becoming" official without saying it to each other.

Overall I do like there are different glimpses you can see, based on the path(s) you take, even if they are just flavor. Even if it's just for flavor, it makes each path/date have a unique feel to the others you don't take and adds a bit to the overall story each time you play.

 

[valbitterb]

Erynn-Ethan and Layla-Lucas(btw does Nyx like to make her villains names match first letters?)

Dr.TSoni : "I guess everything's ... Intertwined (whisper)."

I think it would be neat to have a way to slowly win him over, he's never gonna be best friend material. With friends like Zach, who needs enemies?). At the least he should be able to come to a mutual respect over track and I'd love a plot to put Tori in her place (not that type of threesome or anything, just something where Tori gets embarrassed).

Darryl is a guy who is the number 1, the biggest "badass" in the area feeling threatened by the new guy.
New guy that both can challenge him on track and is popular with the ladies.
From his (typical jock) perspective, it's someone new entering his territory and taking what's his.

He didn't know the MC was going to the beach that day when Val joined his group...
But because the MC always hanging out with stunners pisses him off he shoots that snarky look as he walks by, as if to say "i'm gonna get this one before you do".
Obviously not of course, but that's what he's thinking.

I seriously doubt that's possible. Plus he just doesn't seem like a good guy to me, or someone that I would want the MC to be friends with, I sure as hell wouldn't be friends with someone like that. Nathan will be coming to Madison Springs soon so the MC won't need any other friends, Nathan is a real one.

Same, I always thought that there is a chance that MC and Darryl could actually become not friends exactly, but maybe less enemies and team up to help Erynn. I'd rather have Darryl as an ally than doucheface.

I hope Darryl does become an ally somehow.

We need more guy friends apart from Nathan.

Apart from my wish of an 80s bar fight versus the other schools relay teams that bonds our Madison Springs High Relay Team to win the race,

Darryl might become the male Elena or the mirror of the MC?

- Also abandoned by his dad, but has a lot of siblings,
- Intertwined Single mom working two or three jobs who the mc will want to fuck (I know he's fucking hopeless), (it's a stereotype but could be done well.)
- Or alcoholic dad - not violent but neglectful in his abuse? No mom?

We could also help Darryl get a good deal on fixing his scooter at John's garage if he needs it for income?

 

[justin.case]

We may even get some back story for Darryl that he needs to win the scholarship to get to MSU, as that is his only chance of going.

If I'd have a chance to ruin his future I'll be taking that chance no matter what. I dislike that guy as much as Zach.

 

[Warscared]

so i am like:

At the least he should be able to come to a mutual respect over track and I'd love a plot to put Tori in her place
(not that type of threesome or anything, just something where Tori gets embarrassed).

i was cheering from the sidelines and then you lost me... wtf do you mean no threesome?
So Darryl gets a threesome with 2 girls if he wins but Tori doesn't get the same treatment?
such misogyny my god i can't even... WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU DAMMIT?

now thi shit is just....



and Nyx be like!


a friend made something for me... i feel like sharing!

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Dr.TSoni : "I guess everything's ... Intertwined (whisper)."

XD

 

[LSC82]

That is true. I didn't go through the whole hot tub party scene to see if there is any tracking of the delivery. I would guess not, as Nyx will know if you were there to see Darryl if you were at the party. It just won't be possible to know if you tipped him or not. If MC didn't go to Layla's hot tub party, then you never saw Darryl there. Beyond that, there's really nothing to know about that particular moment.

I can confirm now, there's no such thing as Darryl points(even Zach has points) or flags... ever.
Not for tipping him, not for pushing him... all those choices are fluff.

The things the game might remember/take into consideration when it comes to Darryl.
Wether he won or we did at the last event(it's not tagged Darryl, but the game has ways of knowing if you won or not, due to practicing with Layla).
Wether you have a Tori/Val relationship or not.

It is also consistent with a number of other moments you can only see if on specific paths. Some of the scenes do track point changes or decision, but other's don't. For example:

• Iris/Erynn/Lexi beach trip. There's a lot of talking and scenes between the three of them that the MC will never see unless on Lexi's path(s). Same with getting to see Val and Darryl at the beach, you can see it if you go to the beach, hear Val retell it if on her path, or Erynn just tells you it was a girls beach day.
• Elena's beach visit Layla bails and her mom drops her brothers off. You get a lot of interesting context with Elena, her mom, and brothers, that you don't see unless you have enough Elena points.
• If Elena points are high enough, you can practice cheering with her at her house. It's the only way I've found thus far for the MS Cheer Team to finish in first place. Every other time, they always finish second. But again, you also see tidbits of Elena, when at her house, you never see elsewhere.
• Lexi will only help Erynn if you are on her path(s) and lock the two of them in Erynn's room. Any other choice, you never see/hear Erynn tell her best friend at any point. Even after you convince Erynn to tell Melissa and Emily.

The Erynn girlfriend moment playing volleyball on her beach date, to me, was one of the biggest misses in the story thus far. It was set up perfectly and then just dropped. Here's hoping something even better can replace it when they do become official... and not just "becoming" official without saying it to each other.

Overall I do like there are different glimpses you can see, based on the path(s) you take, even if they are just flavor. Even if it's just for flavor, it makes each path/date have a unique feel to the others you don't take and adds a bit to the overall story each time you play.

I like them too.
To figure out that Mr Donovan and Zane are the same person you have to do both Erynn and Val dates.
Elena's squad only wins if you help her, you only win if you train with Layla(relationship or not).
And to figure out that Darryl might be poor and has to work during spring break while his (i was gonna say friends ) schoolmates are partying and relaxing you need to be on Layla.

There's always danger that too many exclusive scenes slows down development, so maybe some streamlining would help... scenes that start the same but end differently.
Something like you are at school and meet Layla, Elena, Val... and this part always play out, but then you get an exclusive portion for Layla, another for Val, another for Elena.
Nyx already did this more or less for Layla and Alexis with the dinner scene, no matter which girl you went there to talk to, the dinner is quite similar(some small differences here and there).

Same idea can be applied to Erynn, Iris and Alexis if Nyx choses to.

And yes, while i like the fluff choices, just for fun... when you make a scene that creates big expectations on the players... and it turns out to be meaningless fluff. It sucks... that's what happened on the Erynn scene.
We already have Alexis basically making MC and Layla official before they discussed anything... let's hope we actually get something between Erynn-MC(and the other girls too, Val, Iris... whatever).

I hope Darryl does become an ally somehow.

We need more guy friends apart from Nathan.

Apart from my wish of an 80s bar fight versus the other schools relay teams that bonds our Madison Springs High Relay Team to win the race,

Darryl might become the male Elena or the mirror of the MC?

- Also abandoned by his dad, but has a lot of siblings,
- Intertwined Single mom working two or three jobs who the mc will want to fuck (I know he's fucking hopeless), (it's a stereotype but could be done well.)
- Or alcoholic dad - not violent but neglectful in his abuse? No mom?

We could also help Darryl get a good deal on fixing his scooter at John's garage if he needs it for income?

As a member of team "Darryl isn't so bad"(such proud support ) i hope so too.

And a fight is old school male bonding, i love it.
Also a potential character arc moment for Darryl-TJ if they see the MC getting jumped by multiple guys and this time they decide to help, showing that they changed from that scene with Lucas.
Maybe a begrudging first step "i don't like you, but you are on my team, can't have you getting your ass kicked by those chumps" lol.

Helping him with his scooter is also nice, and the contacts are already in place.