Is AI generated art well accepted?

[vileska]

I'm planning to work on a RPG game with femboy mc that includes AI art. A lot of artists expressed their distate for AI art since machine learning uses their works. Are games that use AI art well accepted in this community or in general? Would you play a game that includes AI art?

 

[NTR_Connoisseur]

I'm planning to work on a RPG game with femboy mc that includes AI art. A lot of artists expressed their distate for AI art since machine learning uses their works. Are games that use AI art well accepted in this community or in general? Would you play a game that includes AI art?

I think you are relatively new here so let me start of by generalizing the entire thing. Most people here HATE AI generated art. I asked this exact question before starting on my game and I came to the conclusion that I would rather have no CG than AI cg because thats how much people hate it.

This does come with a few exceptions(maybe 1% of all AICG games on f95).

If you do have AICGs, everyone is going to expect you to have about 5 times more CGs than any other game, as it is perceived as lazy and easy.

If you have done a little bit research, you will understand that the worst thing about it is it is inconsistent and people notice that. So basically you have to spend hours on photoshop correcting inconsistancies. And even if you do correct them, I will go back to my first point and say that it will not satisfy people cause they will be like "huh ? only 100 images ? this is AI! I expect atleast a thousand per update"


I am sure that many people will disagree with what I have written and thats fine but this is what I have picked up over that past few years.

Also you should look at taffy tales and read the comments. I cant think of a single comment saying that they liked uberpie switching to AI assisted cgs.

 

[vileska]

Thanks for your response and reccomendations.

I think you are relatively new here so let me start of by generalizing the entire thing. Most people here HATE AI generated art. I asked this exact question before starting on my game and I came to the conclusion that I would rather have no CG than AI cg because thats how much people hate it.

Yeah, for the most of time I was just a lurker.

If you do have AICGs, everyone is going to expect you to have about 5 times more CGs than any other game, as it is perceived as lazy and easy.

I can understand that coming from people but I'm planning to announce it as a completely free side project. No Patreon-Versions what so ever.

If you have done a little bit research, you will understand that the worst thing about it is it is inconsistent and people notice that. So basically you have to spend hours on photoshop correcting inconsistancies. And even if you do correct them, I will go back to my first point and say that it will not satisfy people cause they will be like "huh ? only 100 images ? this is AI! I expect atleast a thousand per update"

Yes, I'm aware of the inconsistency issues. I didn't searched for any solution yet but I'm planning to train different models for different characters and outfits and so on to work around it (this may sound dumb, I'm new to AI art as well)

 

[Mr_Ainz]

I'll also add that the people who make noise are a minority. I don't usually play games with AI cg so can't say much. Just wanted to say that it really depends on what you're looking for (respect, money, experience).

Maybe your first game with AI art is not good but the 4º or 5º may be great.

 

[vileska]

I'll also add that the people who make noise are a minority. I don't usually play games with AI cg so can't say much. Just wanted to say that it really depends on what you're looking for (respect, money, experience).

Maybe your first game with AI art is not good but the 4º or 5º may be great.

Thank you for your response. I see this as a project that I want to do and share with people who enjoy this kind of content. I also don't expect a huge crowd, but if most people will judge the game based on AI generated art, I'd rather change course now.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

It all depends on how much effort you put into things.
Low effort AI art is just as bad as low effort normal art drawn by unskilled or a lazy person.
Plus art is just one part of a game, there are other parts like your writing skills that can make your game sink or swim.
This guy here makes the best AI art based game (in my opinion), so if you want to do AI may want to ask him a couple questions.

 

[vileska]

It all depends on how much effort you put into things.
Low effort AI art is just as bad as low effort normal art drawn by unskilled or a lazy person.
Plus art is just one part of a game, there are other parts like your writing skills that can make your game sink or swim.
This guy here makes the best AI art based game (in my opinion), so if you want to do AI may want to ask him a couple questions.

Thanks for the recomendation, I will check it out.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

I can understand that coming from people but I'm planning to announce it as a completely free side project. No Patreon-Versions what so ever.

That is not very relevant, since we fly the jolly roger here. All stuff is free in these waters, yarrr! As a baseline, your game should be worth the time spent playing it.

If you give us good porn and a good story or gameplay, you don't need ANY art to be very well recieved and even commercially successful. So using AI art (which most of the time is not good, really) signals that you're maybe not confident in your writing and game design. To put it simply, AI art is an indication that your game sucks. Now, it's not a guarantee, but it's a hint, and it's strong and reliable enough for a lot of people to simply block the ai tag outright.

 

[vileska]

Well, I just tried using AI Art to create a little game for myself.
I used 3D Daz models to blocking scene via Controlnet and photo manipulating.

First thing first, creating something complex is way more time consuming than creating via 3D Modelling.
Anything more complex than creating idle character is basically pain in the ass.
Also when you have multiple characters and places, you need to train lots of models but you still can't achieve that "harmony" nor "lewdy" level without hardcore photo manipulating.

I think AI Art can be really good for book covers but not really good for more than that.
But it will change when 3D programs such as like Blender/Maya start to add their own AI Art renderers.

Thanks for the response. Yeah, I had some crazy malformed stuff for some lewd generations, but I just tried to fix them with negative prompts so far. In the end they were "acceptable" but still needed some polishing. Also thanks for the tools you mentioned. I hadn't heard those before.

 

[vileska]

Thanks for your reply.

That is not very relevant, since we fly the jolly roger here. All stuff is free in these waters, yarrr!

If you give us good porn and a good story or gameplay, you don't need ANY art to be very well recieved and even commercially successful. So using AI art (which most of the time is not good, really) signals that you're maybe not confident in your writing and game design. To put it simply, AI art is an indication that your game sucks. Now, it's not a guarantee, but it's a hint, and it's strong and reliable enough for a lot of people to simply block the ai tag outright.

I usually prefer games with artwork over plain text games because they feel more engaging, and the overall experience seems more alive, but it is just the way I see things and there are also HTML games I play. Also, I'm not very confident since this will be my first attempt to create a game, and I also lack drawing skills (I really tried I'm hopeless).

 

[Deleted member 2797587]

My personal dream is that someday AI will be able to dynamically render character models that are customized to the viewer's tastes. I could just type in "brunette," "small boobs," "very hairy pussy."
The developer will have pre-designed scene templates with "mannequins" upon which the AI can hang the models it's generated as it tells you the story.

Kind of like if I could go to the movies and select which actors and actresses I want to see in any movie that's playing. I could replace Gal Gadot with Gina Carano in the first Wonder Woman movie. I'd pay to watch that a couple dozen times!

 

[Loro]

Ai can have many benefits. But the, imho, obvious dangers are: Looks very artificial and unnaturally perfect. And the created styles resemble other styles.

There are two ways to accept Ai: Some developers will see it as an easy shortcut to mass-produce stuff. Then there are others, who will be able to see the many possibilities Ai can offer. The latter will invest time into learning it and shape their own prompts instead of copying them or instead of using prompt-helper plugins. Even if using pre-made models for Ai, prompts take a big role, too.

Well, when talking about artificial, to be fair, 3D Models created with DAZ for example, also look unnaturally smooth/perfect and artificial. But I got used to them by now.

 

[Deleted member 5285086]

I think that people would be willing to accept AI art if it's high quality. That being said, if you're going to use AI art, then the story and gameplay (if there is any) should be engaging enough to where those who dislike AI art can forgive the use of it. You've gotta hook them with both of that early on or else they're going to move onto something else.

 

[Fate stay]

AI is improving,
I really like high quality AI art✨

 

[Deleted member 2797587]

AI art will be great for eroge... someday. Just not yet.
It can't yet seem to make characters look consistent from one image to the next, and it still looks a bit too... polished or something. Unreal. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's off-putting.
I think some tools will need to be developed to allow AI-generated characters to be posed and tweaked to get a good end result. In other words, it will work best when generated and finessed by human artists.
For now, AI art is a hard pass for me, just like for eroge that use actual photos of porn models.

 

[F4C430]

AI art will be great for eroge... someday. Just not yet.
It can't yet seem to make characters look consistent from one image to the next, and it still looks a bit too... polished or something. Unreal. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's off-putting.

Photorealistic? It's a common style that people put in their prompts.

 

[Deleted member 2797587]

Photorealistic? It's a common style that people put in their prompts.

No, photorealistic isn't the word I was looking for. Polished and artificial. Plastic. Unreal.
And I'm not talking "uncanny valley," which much CG erotic art already is. I can get past the uncanny valley with some decent storytelling.
I've not yet seen a piece of AI girly art that excites me the way a photo does, even though the AI girl may be "beautiful."

 

[Living In A Lewd World]

AI art can create complex images with low time investment, but you have only few control over what is shown.
With DAZ, Blender and Honey Select, you may have simpler looking characters with low time investment, but you have more control over what is shown and can make it more consistent from image to image.

For catching people you need interesting images that look not to weird but stand out of the masses of images, people are used to see. Dependend on how much time you invest in your work or how much luck you have, your game might succeed in this or not.
But you need also to consider, that people try just to find interesting content with minimum effort. If too many people use AI-Art in a lazy way to just create uninteresting content, it may be/get a symbol for substandard VNs like it is also often seen for VNs with Real Images or Honey Select images. So people may just exclude AI-Art-Games in general without even looking on the concrete game, that might have decent graphics.

Another thing is keeping people. For this you need in my opinion:

• consistent images, that convey your story (especially the images should indicate emotions and show change of emotions) => inconsistencies distract too much from the story as they divert focus (similarly to spelling, grammatical and logical errors in a text)
• a compelling story
• decent looking models
• decent writing skills

The importance of the aspects is in falling order, so image consistency and conveying of feelings is for me much more important than decent models. And there you will have the big problem with AI-Art.
I like literotica and noticed, that I can basically fap to a written story, but it must be very very well written. Images would then be just a surplus. But those stories were actually only very few, much less than VNs I saw. I think, it is much easier to create a good VN than a well written story (if you are an amateur and don't have the necessary skills).
I actually often install games with decent looking images just to deinstall them soon, because there is no conveyance of story or emotion. My most recent game in this regard was:
https://f95zone.to/threads/sex-lens-a-porn-story-final-romantic-room.180627/
It's not AI, but the same principle,.The images look quite good and there is lots of sex already in the beginning, but there was basically no interesting visual-told-story, even before I came to an game-breaking bug. So it was just a game to delete and forget.
A positive example:
https://f95zone.to/threads/the-headmaster-mykocks-manor-altos-and-herdone.23470/
The images are "only" Playhome (comparative to Honey Select) but the whole visual-story-telling there is so great, that the game catched me for a very long time.

 

[Crazy4Oreos]

The first thing I do when browsing latest updates on the site is filter out ai cg. A part of me wishes I could have that set by default or find another site that just doesn't allow it

 

[Snack217]

It depends on the piece and how its being used. I dont think I would like a game designed entirely like that. But if it helps some people realize their vision in ways they couldnt do by themselves, I wouldnt just shut it down just because it is AI. One thing is to just generate endless waifus and sell them to steal sales from artists, and another is to use it to bring life to your creativity to tell a story.