is it just me or do you guys also hate ai cg games?

[tanstaafl]

I'm a big fan of AI CG.

In fact some of my favorite memories are:

1. Characters that change their face in a single scene
2. Characters with lots of fingers. I love fingers!
3. AI animation where all of the above happens in an animation and you have no idea what is happening

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Also, if you hate AI on general principal...well, tough titties.

 

[XforU]

Holy shit, it's so easy to bait people these days

 

[MissCougar]

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Also, if you hate AI on general principal...well, tough titties.

I have no doubt as time goes on AI will no doubt do art as good as the best artists. But for now, I can still enjoy the cute and amusing problems it does.

 

[tanstaafl]

I have no doubt as time goes on AI will no doubt do art as good as the best artists. But for now, I can still enjoy the cute and amusing problems it does.

Right now it is as hardware and monetarily demanding as the most demanding 3d renders, so we won't see a lot of good animation in games by indie devs. So, stuck to the standard still image games mixed in with the super lazy cash grabs. I'd say it'll be at least a year or two before it gets to a point where the average indie dev can do the good stuff. I may be on board with AI, but I'm cognizant that for now we get crap, which is a shame.

 

[PsychicStress]

I don't know - generally I tend to avoid AI games, they're really not my cup of tea.

 

[tanstaafl]

I don't know - generally I tend to avoid AI games, they're really not my cup of tea.

Yeah, the current cartoony/anime AI stuff all looks samey to me. I blame the general squeamishness that a lot of for profit sites have with realistic AI, though that particular restriction I see the reason for. The legality of it would be atrocious.

 

[tanstaafl]

Took me a minute or two in comfyui to create a quick and dirty reason why realistic AI will be a legal nightmare.

 

[That other person]

I don't hate them, but it really depends on the effort. Some just put some random ai art that looks awful, writes a terrible attempt at a story and then call it a game.

I'm sure ai art can be used well, and I think most people will agree that calling yourself an artist when you use ai image generation is the stupidest thing. Some go through the effort of actually fixing the images, maintaining an overall resemblance of the characters and their clothes, removing the extra extremities and weird ass expressions. It's still effort, but not nearly as much as those who can draw. So you would think they would put effort on everything else in the game right? No, most don't.

I don't hate the ai stuff, I hate the lazy way people go about it. It's there to help move things faster, not to just slap shit together and form a pile of slop. Put some goddamn effort in your stuff, that's all I ask.

There is also the legal side of things but that's a different issue. I will always support real artists over ai, but I won't spit on people for using it to help themselves because, as I said in another thread, I can't draw for shit!

 

[drag0nf6y]

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Also, if you hate AI on general principal...well, tough titties.

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[seifukulover]

It's not that I hate AI CG, it's just that it disappoints me to see a work go for that very same-y look that all AI CG tends to have, over hand-drawn art. I can't object to it completely, because it does allow devs to complete games that otherwise might not be finished... having a game with AI art is better than no game at all.

 

[kazeiheikaya]

I dont HATE AI CG specifically, but theres definitely a line that people seem to fall flat before reaching, or the opposite where its overly-achieved and stuff just looks and feels unnatural to a degree.

It either looks incredibly botched and weird, or its surreal and feels heavily out of place. AI Clean up definitely has its perks when they render stuff naturally and just have AI clean off the noise and add some shading and what not, but I've definitely seen more sloppy AI stuff than good. It is pretty broad though when referring to AI CG. If the game is purely artistically from top to bottom AI then yeah its pretty gross in most cases, but if its just cleaned up or improved its usually not too bad.

 

[tanstaafl]

To continue with the legal conundrum of realistic AI, where is the line drawn for what is considered appropriating someone's likeness? To use an example I used from a couple posts ago, at what point in the chain below does it stop being stealing an image? Or does it? Will it get caught?




It's a situation that has not been completely addressed, but probably will keep steam and others like it from letting fully realistic ai games in porn...for quite a while probably.

 

[tooldev]

To continue with the legal conundrum of realistic AI, where is the line drawn for what is considered appropriating someone's likeness? To use an example I used from a couple posts ago, at what point in the chain below does it stop being stealing an image? Or does it? Will it get caught?


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It's a situation that has not been completely addressed, but probably will keep steam and others like it from letting fully realistic ai games in porn...for quite a while probably.

I dont think you have understood the legal conundrum then. The problem is not that something looks alike, but that due to the likeness, persons will and can be portrayed in situations, they have never been in. If someone would use a lot of money and effort to look like someone else, there is nothing you can and will do. But when that person would for example produce pictures without a clear statement, that it is a double or gets an agreement upfront about it, you enter the legal issues.

So in cases of a porn actor or actress you will probably be fine, since they already appear in similar situations in the public sphere. Creating Einstein with the physical features of Long Dong Silver though will cross the line. Legally the former group will have at best a chance to claim damages in terms of lost income, while in the latter case you might actually destroy the entire lively-hood of a person. This can easily lead to a person loosing certain types of jobs etc, since it has become common approach to collect publicly available data before for example booking or hiring them. This person will not know about this until the damage is already done basically, there is simply no defence here. Once out, the damage happens and only by accident or research they can/will find out. And this does not only apply to 'celebrities', but to regular people as well, since by now pretty much every single employer will check social media etc.

 

[tanstaafl]

I dont think you have understood the legal conundrum then. The problem is not that something looks alike, but that due to the likeness, persons will and can be portrayed in situations, they have never been in. If someone would use a lot of money and effort to look like someone else, there is nothing you can and will do. But when that person would for example produce pictures without a clear statement, that it is a double or gets an agreement upfront about it, you enter the legal issues.

So in cases of a porn actor or actress you will probably be fine, since they already appear in similar situations in the public sphere. Creating Einstein with the physical features of Long Dong Silver though will cross the line. Legally the former group will have at best a chance to claim damages in terms of lost income, while in the latter case you might actually destroy the entire lively-hood of a person. This can easily lead to a person loosing certain types of jobs etc, since it has become common approach to collect publicly available data before for example booking or hiring them. This person will not know about this until the damage is already done basically, there is simply no defence here. Once out, the damage happens and only by accident or research they can/will find out. And this does not only apply to 'celebrities', but to regular people as well, since by now pretty much every single employer will check social media etc.

Theft of art is definitely part of it, as is theft of likeness (the multitude of lawsuits that already exist are proof of that), it's not an either or, it's everything you said AND everything I'm saying. I could use the last in that chain I posted and if the photographer saw it and made the connection, guess what? Law suit. Realistic AI has an over abundance of issues legally.

 

[Hirosuki]

I don't mind the tool, but I am more than aware of the fact that it will be misused.

The most common type of misuse will be plagiarism, at least from my standpoint.

But, on the other hand, there are a lot of people that this new tech will help, allowing someone that isn't any good with art to be able to make games.

I think that there needs to be new laws and protections in place, but who can we trust to be impartial and 'do things right?'

 

[tanstaafl]

I don't mind the tool, but I am more than aware of the fact that it will be misused.

The most common type of misuse will be plagiarism, at least from my standpoint.

But, on the other hand, there are a lot of people that this new tech will help, allowing someone that isn't any good with art to be able to make games.

I think that there needs to be new laws and protections in place, but who can we trust to be impartial and 'do things right?'

Also, consider that there is more than the United States legal system in question here. South Korea is taking a pretty hard line stance on the issue if their reaction to deep fakes is any indication. I think the actual jail time penalty for it is steep.

 

[Asia Argento]

Holy shit, it's so easy to bait people these days

we r8, 7 of 8

 

[tanstaafl]

I think that there needs to be new laws and protections in place, but who can we trust to be impartial and 'do things right?'

imo, the smart dev will just take the easy way past it all for now. If they want realistic, just go with a small step away from realistic. Unless they do anime of course. This is because there won't be any impartiality to these decisions.



Edit: One caveat that devs should be aware of if they go realistic or almost realistic. Shota and Loli will face hammers of wrath from EVERY source except for the most fringe sites out there.

 

[MissCougar]

To continue with the legal conundrum of realistic AI, where is the line drawn for what is considered appropriating someone's likeness? To use an example I used from a couple posts ago, at what point in the chain below does it stop being stealing an image? Or does it? Will it get caught?


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It's a situation that has not been completely addressed, but probably will keep steam and others like it from letting fully realistic ai games in porn...for quite a while probably.

This will all be part of it for AI and revenge porn bans. Once someone does something like this and a person who looks like the generation can sue, could be interesting.

Do me now in AI!

 

[tanstaafl]

This will all be part of it for AI and revenge porn bans. Once someone does something like this and a person who looks like the generation can sue, could be interesting.

Do me now in AI!

I mean, it's already happening.

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sued for her likeness used in an advertisement.

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(the city I guess) filed suit against apps that remove women's clothing...that are still being advertised on Facebook and Instagram btw. Apparently

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, as of the time of this article, have passed laws about deepfake and other forms of AI porn. The list goes on. The litigation is all setting precedent, so we'll see where we are in a few years.