All payment processors for high-risk business prohibit incest, bestiality, and other things considered illegal under US law. Some examples:
I feel this is more on the side of the creators than the tools, there are alternatives to Daz (such as HS and Blender) and Patreon isn't nearly as rigorous as people make it to be. It's just that we have an extraordinaire amount of people going into game making to make the game of their dreams, even if it mean just copying the same shit and add one or two quirks.
Congratulations on not spending any time doing research beyond your impressions. If you had you'd know that Sponsorion has already secured their payment processor with full transparency.
Oh, was I supposed to speak for all developers when making a defense my status as such a developer as you blanket dismissed as being just as bad as paying al Qaeda? No, I made my personal defense. Your statement on the matter of anonymity is incredibly insulting and yet you pretend I've got no reason to take offense. Seriously, imagine, if you would, saying that to someone's face. Do you think that your anonymity on the internet changes the impact of your words?
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All of that is true, as for alternatives to Daz i think we can say that blender is significantly less accessible and HS is, well a little inferior in terms of what it can create, that however is only my opinion. Of course 2D is also an option as well as conventional photo art, however Daz is by far the most accessible 3DCG program on a budget, while the variety of available assets is pretty damn good an alternate program could be beneficial to the industry perhaps.
And yet the big porn producers get away fine simply by stating "step" incest, i've never understood how they can do that but in the patreon world everyone has to become "landlady" ect.
Bestiality, Incest, and extreme violence are only illegal if they are real.
Fictional depictions of all of those things are LEGAL and covered by the fundamental right to free speech that America holds so dearly.
In closing, because I'm not so ignorant as to not know what is and isn't legal while hoping to make a living off of the content, idiot.
Honestly that quote I've nitpicked screams bullshit to me.
It's a question of taste, tough to be honest both Daz and HS have an equal amount of crap renders and some artists that master them. Personally, I would not put things like
Those are actually explicitly allowed on Patreon so Sponsotion should be the same, depiction of illegal content under artistic context is allowed, it's just that not many games ever got in position to argue in favor of their stuff.
In the context of Patreon, there is an inherent bias against porn. They're fine with mature content, along the lines of GoT, but they're not fine with porn content. Sponsorion is being made in reaction to that, with the intent of giving those creators that Patreon won't accept a place to put out their content. They'd do more if it were legal or financially feasible, but considering they've gone to the trouble of working this hard to get something out there I wish people would actually give them a chance first before ignorantly claiming bullshit.
At one point in time Patreon was fine allowing what Sponsorion allows. Then things changed. Who is to say Sponsorion isn't going to eventually change as well or crash and burn like the handful of attempts before it? Regardless of how transparent Sponsorion is the bottom line still matters if they want to stay afloat. If they have to make changes to stay afloat, we will have another Patreon debacle or another failed attempt.
If you really believe it works that way, try going to a police station with a laptop full of games containing incest, bestiality, lolicon etc and show it to some police officer.
I fully agree that these laws should not apply to fictitious stories, but in practice, they end up being applied, especially when it is related to sex. For example, in most countries, any sexual representation of a minor is already considered a crime, even if it is in a game made only with drawings.
I understand entirely that patreon isn't "evil" or even a bad corporation just that without competition to keep them sharp they could enact self serving policies and behaviour without fear of losing very many users, simply because the users have nowhere else to go, meaning they could do what is right for them at the expense of the user, not that they have, just that they can.
Sponsorion is a company based in the US. I didn't say lolicon, as you'll read on Sponsorion's site they aren't allowing it because it is also a legal grey area at the moment. It isn't illegal to produce the content, the supreme court actually struck down a law that tried to make it illegal within the last 10 years or so, but there is an old law on the books about obscenity that can produce much lesser results. It isn't applied to incest or bestiality, or extreme violence in fiction however. I live in the US, I can produce this content. That is how it works. If you can't accept that, fine, don't, but don't continue talking about what happens in most countries because all that matters is the country whose laws are governing me, my funding platform, and the financial institution that is doing that funding. As I said, they have cleared it with the financial provider, they knew what they were getting into. I'll not entertain any more of this, frankly, ignorant and emotionally charged bullshit you call an argument.
I'm not claiming bullshit, I'm saying exactly what Patreon's ToS say and as a customer I would not go for Sponsorion simply because all but one of the creators I support are in good terms with Patreon and I would not make an account in a service I don't trust for just one game.
Is that the "not glorification" rule I did read about that you're talking about?
I apologize, I wasn't sure when posting if that would come off as if aimed at you or if you'd understand that it was the people who were ignoring data that didn't support their opinion.
That's (partially) true.
For the sake of this niche, I really hope I'm wrong, even though the information on the payment processor website proves that controversial fetishes will not be allowed.
