Yes i know that NTR is a turn off for a lot of people for obvious reasons. Obviously the feeling of being cheated on sucks ass. However, recently i've discovered something rather bizarre and amusing that the addition of NTR to an adult game, in fact to any adult erotica, could potentially ruin the reputation of the media and the creator. It even caused a fall of a pretty well known franchise and its creator that some of you probably know. I know that NTR is bad, but is it that bad that it delivers some catastrophic consequences when it's involved in a media?
Is there something more with NTR than it meets the eye?
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The NTR crowd (Both the ones for and against it) is a very loud and rude minority. If a game or any media out of nowhere stops with NTR or starts with it, its not out of the ordinary for the creator to be literally harassed by the NTR crowd. It's absurd. I wouldn't be surprised if a Dev that put NTR in their game out of the blue would recieve death treats. That's how absurd the NTR crowd is.
Some people are very passionate (bat shit insane) about their fake adult game waifus.
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The downfall comes from the false advertising. In every case you mentioned it's suddenly introduced and it's not a side kink like a foot fetish or something that a player can brush aside. It's a pretty impactful concept to introduce to a storyline that needs to be forewarned ahead of time.
I think the NTR lovers mostly do what they do because they feel like they can. While they might be a minority, they somehow influence developers and their games, especially if the dev doesn't know how to handle pressure and adversity. They have established a reputation that makes some devs, especially the new ones, fear them even more. It's like a three-letter curse.
Personally, I have nothing against NTR and those who love it, I regard it as a kink just like incest. Those who like it like it. But I feel like some people use it to define themselves, almost like a personality trait. Some of them literally go out of their way just to bash a dev on adding (or removing) NTR from their game, smh.
Personally, I have nothing against NTR and those who love it, I regard it as a kink just like incest. Those who like it like it. But I feel like some people use it to define themselves, almost like a personality trait. Some of them literally go out of their way just to bash a dev on adding (or removing) NTR from their game, smh.
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NTR is a deeply visceral fetish in the responses it can garner. It is more in line with Necrophilia, Rape, Sissification, or Bestiality than say anal, a harem, or even incest. Some things are not *just* a fetish, they can trigger real responses when seen even in media. This is true in movies and other media as well. To add to the issue with NTR as a type of content is that it is also the only one people get called names for *not* liking. I've never seen any kink shaming like that from pro-NTR fans shaming people who dislike NTR. A Rape victim might have a huge problem seeing a rape scene in a movie like The Accused. Would that rape victim be insulted? No, people would say, "Oh, I didn't think about that, sorry, this media isn't for you then."
No one gets called, weak, a closet cuck, pathetic, or accused of being "(bat shit insane) about their fake adult game waifus," (to quote someone above me), when they say they'd rather not see a love interest in a game get murdered and her corpse raped, have someone shit on her face and force her to eat it, or see her get fucked randomly by a dog. But say. "I'd rather not see a character in this game get dicked down by some other guy," and the names start flying. Hell, even just ask, "This game got NTR, or NTR avoidable," and you get insulted and called an Anit-NTR brigade, and worse. Which just makes the people who were critical (often just asking about it and not even critical) fire back as well. The pattern plays out all the time, but it usally gets nuked so you might not always see it after the fact.
Game has or adds NTR - some player, "Is this avoidable," "Why did this get added all the sudden, I think that was a mistake," "It was dumb for the developer to add this." (Often just one player asking if NTR is avoidable can be enough to spark it)- Pro-NTR crowd, "Here comes the brigade," "Bunch of kids taking their games too seriously," "Grow up and get the fuck out." - Anti-NTR crowd, "Fuck off, they shouldn't have added this," "It was a vanilla game before and that's what we were promised," "You may be a cuck but I'm not." - back and forth for a while - then thread gets cleared and we repeat it over and over.
Even with something as common (and money making) as Incest, I would say it should *never* be added in the middle of a game that didn't have it before or at least wasn't foreshadowing it. NTR is the only fetish I have ever seen get randomly dropped into a game out of nowhere and then people who are upset or even just confused why it was added get insulted. The whole point of NTR is that it evokes negative emotions (jealousy, fear, and powerlessness), just like Rape (fear and powerlessness), Some Heavy Domination (powerlessness and humiliation), Sissification (humiliation and degradation), Bestiality (humiliation and degradation), and Necrophilia (fear and disgust) and some other fetishes. And NTR should be considered as such and treated like those when it comes to being honest and upfront about its existence in and addition to any media. To the people who like these fetishes, they transfer those negative emotions into a sexual response, which is fine. There is nothing wrong with that being done in the safe confines of a virtual world. The problem is that they fail to see that others, in fact many others, might not do that and might just want to avoid those negative emotions and focus on positive ones.
Many NTR fans get off more from one scene of NTR in an otherwise standard game because it isn't the scene in the game they like, it is the response. They get off on how they know that one moment just ruined the game for so many others. This is why one whale will offer a lot of money to get a developer to add one scene and then bounce. He doesn't give a shit about the scene or the game and would likely never support a full NTR game (evidence by the fact that those game are few and far between and rarely get off the ground) but he will get a lot of pleasure from knowing that he caused such a shit storm for so many others.
But that's my two-cents. I hope you all have a lovely day.
No one gets called, weak, a closet cuck, pathetic, or accused of being "(bat shit insane) about their fake adult game waifus," (to quote someone above me), when they say they'd rather not see a love interest in a game get murdered and her corpse raped, have someone shit on her face and force her to eat it, or see her get fucked randomly by a dog. But say. "I'd rather not see a character in this game get dicked down by some other guy," and the names start flying. Hell, even just ask, "This game got NTR, or NTR avoidable," and you get insulted and called an Anit-NTR brigade, and worse. Which just makes the people who were critical (often just asking about it and not even critical) fire back as well. The pattern plays out all the time, but it usally gets nuked so you might not always see it after the fact.
Game has or adds NTR - some player, "Is this avoidable," "Why did this get added all the sudden, I think that was a mistake," "It was dumb for the developer to add this." (Often just one player asking if NTR is avoidable can be enough to spark it)- Pro-NTR crowd, "Here comes the brigade," "Bunch of kids taking their games too seriously," "Grow up and get the fuck out." - Anti-NTR crowd, "Fuck off, they shouldn't have added this," "It was a vanilla game before and that's what we were promised," "You may be a cuck but I'm not." - back and forth for a while - then thread gets cleared and we repeat it over and over.
Even with something as common (and money making) as Incest, I would say it should *never* be added in the middle of a game that didn't have it before or at least wasn't foreshadowing it. NTR is the only fetish I have ever seen get randomly dropped into a game out of nowhere and then people who are upset or even just confused why it was added get insulted. The whole point of NTR is that it evokes negative emotions (jealousy, fear, and powerlessness), just like Rape (fear and powerlessness), Some Heavy Domination (powerlessness and humiliation), Sissification (humiliation and degradation), Bestiality (humiliation and degradation), and Necrophilia (fear and disgust) and some other fetishes. And NTR should be considered as such and treated like those when it comes to being honest and upfront about its existence in and addition to any media. To the people who like these fetishes, they transfer those negative emotions into a sexual response, which is fine. There is nothing wrong with that being done in the safe confines of a virtual world. The problem is that they fail to see that others, in fact many others, might not do that and might just want to avoid those negative emotions and focus on positive ones.
Many NTR fans get off more from one scene of NTR in an otherwise standard game because it isn't the scene in the game they like, it is the response. They get off on how they know that one moment just ruined the game for so many others. This is why one whale will offer a lot of money to get a developer to add one scene and then bounce. He doesn't give a shit about the scene or the game and would likely never support a full NTR game (evidence by the fact that those game are few and far between and rarely get off the ground) but he will get a lot of pleasure from knowing that he caused such a shit storm for so many others.
But that's my two-cents. I hope you all have a lovely day.
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As was written before here... any major gamechanging kinks/fetishes/whatever should never be introduced mid development. And if it's supposed to only come into play later in the game be honest about it and tell everyone that the game will have this or that future content. Make it crystal clear if something will be avoidable or not. As easy as that.
And sure, fundamentally changing the nature of your game can ruin it. You don't start watching Bambi only for it to turn into some weird slasher horror. Likewise, you don't start playing a game without NTR expecting it to suddenly introduce it in later updates. That is a huge game changer. If it's avoidable, ok, why not, choice is always good, but then the dev has to perform a precarious balancing act, making two VERY opposite camps (pro and anti NTR) happy... rendering and writing two different routes. And that can easily backfire.
And some players certainly don't even like the idea that on some alternate route their main LI in game cheats on the MC.
If I were a dev I would only include NTR if it's added right at the very beginning, never (much) later just because some people keep asking "will it get NTR????" in the discussion. Even games that state in the description that it will NEVER include NTR (like any other game by this dev) have these inane questions in the discussion... "will it have NTR?"
About the statement that we are arguing about pixel women (or men)... it's perfectly normal for people to project themselves into entertainment, or to empathize with the characters. Are people stupid just because they cry over a very sad scene in a movie? Are people stupid just because they laugh out loud during a comedy?
VNs are basically animated picture books, of course you feel something when you read and play them, of course you empathize with the characters. Unless maybe a sociopath plays these games. But most people have empathy. And getting a loved one stolen away (or mere cheating) is about the last thing most people want to experience. Just like a loved one being murdered, raped or otherwise harmed. Nothing silly about not wanting that, even if it's just pixels. Or a movie. Or a book.
And sure, fundamentally changing the nature of your game can ruin it. You don't start watching Bambi only for it to turn into some weird slasher horror. Likewise, you don't start playing a game without NTR expecting it to suddenly introduce it in later updates. That is a huge game changer. If it's avoidable, ok, why not, choice is always good, but then the dev has to perform a precarious balancing act, making two VERY opposite camps (pro and anti NTR) happy... rendering and writing two different routes. And that can easily backfire.
And some players certainly don't even like the idea that on some alternate route their main LI in game cheats on the MC.
If I were a dev I would only include NTR if it's added right at the very beginning, never (much) later just because some people keep asking "will it get NTR????" in the discussion. Even games that state in the description that it will NEVER include NTR (like any other game by this dev) have these inane questions in the discussion... "will it have NTR?"
About the statement that we are arguing about pixel women (or men)... it's perfectly normal for people to project themselves into entertainment, or to empathize with the characters. Are people stupid just because they cry over a very sad scene in a movie? Are people stupid just because they laugh out loud during a comedy?
VNs are basically animated picture books, of course you feel something when you read and play them, of course you empathize with the characters. Unless maybe a sociopath plays these games. But most people have empathy. And getting a loved one stolen away (or mere cheating) is about the last thing most people want to experience. Just like a loved one being murdered, raped or otherwise harmed. Nothing silly about not wanting that, even if it's just pixels. Or a movie. Or a book.
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I think these two pretty much sums up why ntr gets the reaction it gets and answers the question in OP. In practice it acts as an antithesis to what many players look for in their games and to have another group that gets off on ruining the game for them is why you will always get people trying to get clear cut definitive answers on its inclusion/implementation in every game and obviously the hate/visceral response.
No fetish is bad or good, like no color is bad or good. Different people prefer different colors.
NTR isn't just about being cheated on. It's about the humiliation and emasculation of not being man enough for your wife/girlfriend/whatever, both physically and emotionally. It's about the player/character enjoying knowing that a better man is pleasuring her. This is a massive turn off for most people. And since powerlessness is a huge part of the fetish, you can't really appeal to that crowd if you have big flashing "NTR beyond this choice" warning signs. It's a niche that's fundamentally incompatible with most porn and fetishes.
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This. Those who truly are into that kink enjoy the powerlessness and emasculation aspects.
For example: a protagonist in a game happened to witness a love interest having sex with another guy and his inner thought was to be something like "Heh lucky guy. His dick seems smaller than mine though. If i was to enter her she'd be screaming in ahegao and forgetting that guy's name in mere seconds". That scene while having a love interest fucked by another guy could hardly be called netorare since the protagonist doesnt feel powerless nor emasculation and he could turn the table whenever he wanted.
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I think NTR,Cuckold or NTR games in general suck ass. Either you are the Beta bitch who lets his wife fuck other guys while you watch, or you are the guy who fucks someone's wife while her husband is watching.
I can´t imagine a more off-putting straight genre than this, but live and let live I guess.
What I find annoying in terms of games and the xxx gaming community is that there is a loud minority who are constantly pushing the Devs to add NTR to their games, even tho it wasn´t planned in the first place and doesn´t fit the story.
I can´t imagine a more off-putting straight genre than this, but live and let live I guess.
What I find annoying in terms of games and the xxx gaming community is that there is a loud minority who are constantly pushing the Devs to add NTR to their games, even tho it wasn´t planned in the first place and doesn´t fit the story.
Or... get this, You watch your wife(Virtual/Non-real one) fuck some other guys without being a crying bitch bout it and maybe go fuck other men's wife without having the cuckolded guy watch you because what's his purpose there? I just to fuck for the sake of fucking a beautiful girl, So? None, Cuckolded guy doesn't contribute anything to the experience unless you're an insecure beta (Incel)bitch who gets off on putting other people on misery cause you have something to prove? Hard to Judge really after all, It's just PORN. Like most movies/stories/games, You need Suspension of disbelief to enjoy most of it.
How else can you enjoy rape, incest porn?
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That's one thing I don't understand. "Your wife". "You are a beta bitch".
I don't project myself into the MC or any porn I watch. I watch it I don't live it.
NTR as F95 Tag convention stand is not just MC crying in the corner or wanking off while watching his loved one get fucked by a better man. It has evolved into Any women love interest or not of what can be generally perceived as the Main Character having sex with another man.
Woman having sex with her non-mc husband: NTR
Mother of MC having sex with MC's Father: NTR
The anti-NTR crowd here are so stuck in their notion that I AM THE MAIN CHARACTER they simply reject the notion not all women in the game is theirs.
You are not the main character, your are the player, selecting choice for the main character.
I personnally hate how F95 Tag and crowd have made any stakes, any moment where non-mc male character is close to any women be defined as NTR.
I love the idea of having options. If I make good choice MC can get the girl. But if I fuck up, or if MC fuck around the women won't simply be fleshlight freely available. They will go elsewhere and someone else will have fun.
One good thing Is I have learned to appreciate Female Protagonist game. Somehow just because the POV is reverse and you control the women's decision (even though in most NTR cases the player also make decision that can cause the MC's wife to cheat but that's a big no-no for that crowd) You can have her be a slutty and unfaithful as you wish.
In the end I think Anti-NTR crowd main issue is their perspective. Stop projecting yourself in the MC and you can learn to enjoy just good sex scene.
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It was one about like futanari and grandmas or some shit.
The developer decided it wasn't worth it and made a Pacman-themed h-game instead that also did horribly once Pacman and ms. Pacman were confronted by four ghosts or something, and most people just scrambled.
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Stats from nhentai, one of the more popular sites.
Minority indeed lmao.
I think you are confused my dude, unless it was intentional of course, what you describe is more like harem fans than ntr fans.
Ntr fans actually behave much more like adults.