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Again you got to separate the MC from the player.
The player plays the game.
The players sees Izzy & Zoe before MC even knows who they are.
The player, the audience, needs to see the sims so the girls appear well developed & not just hollow porn characters.
Not the MC.
Like the idea I suggested, we follow the girls in their sims & maybe the MC remarks which one he was watching as well...

For example: We follow the girls & see both sims during the 1st opportunity, then we see mc log in & he sees only a part of of the sim he chose.
Then during the 2nd opportunity, after mc watches 1 full sim(upgrade from last time, more time in the sim), we follow Qai as she goes into the other 2 sims to work on the bridge.
Then, for the last sim we see the sims in sequence (mom->sara->nat) & mc only watches the nat sim (makes most sense in the sequence of events of that night).
Removes a player choice, but it was negatively affecting the game anyway.

That way mc has limited info like you intened to convey, which we know because we have more info than him.

(Basically Nat Mol Sara get the Ness Stella Izzy treatment & get the sims to develop their character independent of the MC's knowledge or presence, just like the izzy+zoe scene or the izzy+stella scene, etc.)

I have never said the idea you had was wrong. Only the execution:
>Making players choose between girls gives them a certain impression of the game which may not be correct.
>By withholding 5-6 out of 8 sims from the audience, you are removing significant character development from the main girls & their journey from who they were at the start of the arc to the end of it, making the characters somewhat flimsy.

Neither conflict with what you wanted to express in regards to the MC as both are issues about presentation of the game, not it's story.

Just let the players see all the sims but mc can see only 2-3.
(I'm not pushing for you to change the game now btw. Just discussing the issue.)


The game was pretty fast paced anyway. The mc was pretty reserved actually. Many (including myself) were probably wishing he'd accept the depravity & his role as bull much more easily. But seeing him squirm was fun too :LOL:
There's not much issue in this regard I feel.


No cest. The moment they are related to the mc, it becomes incest kink, not sisters kink or twins kink.
By sisters kink I meant 2 sisters involved with/serving the MC, not MC's relatives.

It's be hot if Nat brings her sister(s?) into her kink, since they're are also the same breeding stock genetically as her.
(No pressure but I think Nat's sister would win any poll verses Sara/Mol's long lost friend. Just saying :cool:)


Hmm, here's how my list would go:
Nat as top Queen obviously. She seems to have the most grasp of this role & how she handled Sara while returning the camera was hot af.
Sara next. She'd be the 'pest' as you put it, someone Nat has to keep in line & remind that they serve the MC & not her.
Ness for me would be the hidden submissive, the brat. Gives a tough impression but melts in the hands of the MC just like during the Ness sex scene. Likes to get competitive & secretly enjoys losing & being put into place by the person she loves(MC). Her rough exterior hides a fragile girl with a romantic heart, was my impression from the emerald scene in the office bathroom (great scene btw). So going a little further, her manliness & competitiveness hides a desire to be seen in a traditional female role & be put into that place.
So while she's the strongest outside the bedroom, she capitulates to Nat easily inside the bedroom cause she secretly aspires to what Nat preaches.

As for Ness-Sara, I'd think they'd have an healthy rivalry going on, both expressing their dominant/competitive side with each other since they have to submit to Nat & the MC.
So basically it'd be a back & forth with neither giving in, both enjoying the struggle, until Nat/MC enters the scene when they both become obedient to them.

Anyway, that'd be my dream scenario in regards to the Nat-Sara-Ness dilemma. Nat's already won the role with the initiative she's taken, with Sara, with Kate, with the underwear etc. (and her sister ofc :p)
And Ness I really liked her softer side in the office scene, so it'd be great if she continued that tsundere duality, where the more strong, bossy & competitive she is in public, the more of a submissive romantic she is to her bull in private. Someone who constantly fights everyone, but likes to lose only to her chosen one & be put into her place & taken.
And Sara I think I see as a switch, into everything & wishing that the MC would be the Sara to her Kelli, wishing to take/dominate everyone & but be taken/dominated by the MC. Someone who likes being in charge but doesn't resist being put into place by the MC, or Nat using his name, too much.
As these 2 both feel like duality/switch based characters, it'd be an interesting dynamic to see them kind of be in a never-ending struggle with each other, both enjoying each other as an outlet to their dominant & competitive side while the MC satisfies their submissive side.

Wow rambled a bit lol. Was hot to imagine tho:love:
I think I'm getting a better idea of what you're suggesting as an alternative for the pick one/see all dilemma and it could probably work. I'd want to spread them out some though if I did that, I think some of the story beats would feel off otherwise.

As far as limiting the player, yeah, but that's a bit of a given. Every time I present the player a choice, and more so every time I don't, I am, in a way telling them what the MC's boundaries are. Obviously, I don't want to spend the whole game dangling sex in front of the player but having the MC decline, but I can't tell a story of the MC (potentially) getting corrupted if he starts off full-pervert.

By twincest I meant that obviously, the twin characters would end up getting sexy together. That would be a cruel tease if I included twins (identical or not) but didn't let the player at least get a threesome with them.

Nat is (I think) the most popular girl with the general audience. Kelli/Claudette seem to be the most popular with my supporters (at least they were, I've gained a handful more since the last poll I ran). But yeah, story wise it probably works best with Nat. I could always do the surprise Aunt visit, but it would feel less earned. I'd have to pull her into Nat's (or whoever this new character is related to) kink but put a little bit of a twist on it. Like maybe her sister is more interested in the BDSM portion of things than the breeding.

Nat as queen bee is a pretty clear choice, especially if you're into the breeding harem thing, but she's also the most willing of the three to accept a lower position. She doesn't really care who's above who as long as MC is on top and everyone else ends up with a baby in their belly. Sara will definitely play into the "He dominates me, I dominate everyone else". I don't think Ness will ever end up full on submissive, outside of the epilogue stuff, so much as she's just not really a dom. She enjoys topping other women, and she has that competitive streak, but she isn't a switch the same way that Izzi or Zoe are. That being said there will probably be some scenes where she gets a little dominant (particularly in one of the sim scenes I've got planned) and there will probably be some scenes where she ends up a little more submissive (coincidentally, also in that same sim scene). The details might end up shifting for a lot of this though. Nat's characterization, the whole assertively-submissive angle, didn't come to be until I was really fleshing out the writing for the last update.
 

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First up: love the game so far.
Great characters I love or hate and an interesting story.

One comment on the planned new character:
Past side character the player could decline (club whore 1) started having relations with the sister. Since the second decline she vanished, but now is part of the Izzy relation.
The black whore started being "friends" with the mother without player imput, but that is still in the air I think.
Will the new one (trans if I got it right) also be interacting with major LIs, regardless if the player doesn't want them?
Personally I wouldn't mind a trans LI as long as they are restricted to the MC, but was very disappointed to see the unwanted prostitute being a major part of one of the main LIs, including unskippable femdom scenes.


To the suggestion of taking away the player choice, which sim they see: you had a futa scene in there that I didn't want to watch and I was glad I could choose what to visit.
So please be aware that you also take away the possibility for players to avoid certain content.
A simple save before the sim-choice made it easily possible to visit all I wanted to see.

Dunno if there was a LI-hype already, but please much more of the wonderful breeding-cuckquean, Nat is just awesome.

Keep up the great work.
 
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First up: love the game so far.
Great characters I love or hate and an interesting story.

One comment on the planned new character:
Past side character the player could decline (club whore 1) started having relations with the sister. Since the second decline she vanished, but now is part of the Izzy relation.
The black whore started being "friends" with the mother without player imput, but that is still in the air I think.
Will the new one (trans if I got it right) also be interacting with major LIs, regardless if the player doesn't want them?
Personally I wouldn't mind a trans LI as long as they are restricted to the MC, but was very disappointed to see the unwanted prostitute being a major part of one of the main LIs, including unskippable femdom scenes.


To the suggestion of taking away the player choice, which sim they see: you had a futa scene in there that I didn't want to watch and I was glad I could choose what to visit.
So please be aware that you also take away the possibility for players to avoid certain content.
A simple save before the sim-choice made it easily possible to visit all I wanted to see.

Dunno if there was a LI-hype already, but please much more of the wonderful breeding-cuckquean, Nat is just awesome.

Keep up the great work.
Thank you, I appreciate it.

As far as the "new" character - they aren't new. Other than the hypothetical introduction of Nat's sister (which is very hypothetical) we were just talking about I don't have plans for any new characters. There might be some girls that show up in very minor roles, like maybe you take another trip to the club with Ness and have a 4 way or something, or I need to add an extra character to a sim scene, but other than that you have met everyone. And Zoe was always with Izzi, I showed the two of them together before you met her at the club. Mol was always going to get a slutty friend character but I will 100% admit that Candi took over that role after I started development. I wanted an extra hook to tie some stuff together and I liked that character model too much to waste it on a one-off scene. With regards to the trans characters, they will still exist and if the player declines their content (I'm considering a kind of one-time "hard no" for them but it might end up being a case by case thing) they'll still see them occasionally interacting with the MC or other characters in non-sexual context. But you won't see any sex scenes involving them unless you choose to.

Nobody really needs to worry about anything changing with how the sims were handled. The only changes I would consider making would also require me to re work a lot of the game, and I don't have any intention of doing that. Love it or hate it, it is what it is.

I haven't done any official "best girl" polls yet but going off my totally vibes-based impressions Nat had a early lead, potentially lost her top spot after I released 0.2, but appears to have reclaimed her crown with 0.3. But, as I said earlier, my supporters clearly like the thicc girls based on where the votes are going in the bonus render/content polls I've ran so far. It's probably not fair to have any serious debate yet since some of the girls haven't even got a sex scene yet. We have to give all the ladies a fair chance to audition before we crown any of them.
 
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God there is too much wall of text in this thread. Gives us TLDR version please.
Almost all of the wall-of-text/essay posts (from me) are me responding to someone else and trying to hit all/most of their points. So, unless you're invested in that particular conversation, they aren't really required reading or anything.

TLDR;
Nat's everyone's favorite
I'm not changing the sim scenes
The game is getting weirder
This Claudette scene is taking forever to finish
 

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By twincest I meant that obviously, the twin characters would end up getting sexy together. That would be a cruel tease if I included twins (identical or not) but didn't let the player at least get a threesome with them.
I think it only counts as incest if ppl are related to the mc/pc.
Ppl don't even consider step relationships incest (though I find them pretty interesting for being that gray area)
Only Patreon considers threesomes with related characters (sisters, mother-daughters, etc.) incest & they're idiots for that imo. (I mean I get the definition, but not kink wise)
It's painful to see Patreon games try to cope with this. Even if the MC is an orphan with no relatives they still need to go the whole 'patch' or 'define your own relations' route, or dance around the situation, if they dare to put related characters in the game.
Tbh patreon is the main reason I don't like incest games
Good thing there's none of that with this game. (y)

Nat's characterization, the whole assertively-submissive angle, didn't come to be until I was really fleshing out the writing for the last update.
That's like the best thing in the whole game. The assertively-submissive thing feels fresh & very well done. :love::love::love:


Also for Ness, I didn't mean dom sub in the bdsm sense, but more like her acting at the start of the game or the beginning of the Rose-Ness scene was dominant while how she melted when mc fucked her or how she dressed up for the mc was her being more submissive i.e. I was referring to her being tomboyish/hard-headed/tough, etc. vs being girlish/romantic/etc.

I just thought of her like a coconut: hard & prickly on the surface but tender & soft on the inside. I just like the duality of such characters & feel there's a depth to them.
Her 'you think I look pretty?' was very cute.
There's just something about such a abrasive tomboy suddenly dressing up for you, add that to the layered character angle (further hinted by izzy how her personality is a result of her desire to get mommy's approval by being the son she always wanted) Maybe the real, girly, Ness is hiding behind all that, wanting to behave & be complimented & treated like a lady. (& that's why she falls to nat's manipulations)
(Also loved stella's insecurities. Compared to body types, I love a character's depth of personality)
 
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The dictionary/legal definition of incest in most jurisdictions is M/F vaginal sex between two people who are too closely related to be legally married.

So gay/lesbian 'incest' isn't really incest (though it's kinky, yes).

Anal sex is not incest.

Oral, handjobs, etc. are not incest.

Basically, unless the related people get together and put a penis into a vagina, it's not incest.

But F95, Patreon, and most of the rest of the Internet will call it incest if people who are related as first-cousins or closer get naughty sexually in almost any way. YMMV.
 
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I think it only counts as incest if ppl are related to the mc/pc.
Ppl don't even consider step relationships incest (though I find them pretty interesting for being that gray area)
Only Patreon considers threesomes with related characters (sisters, mother-daughters, etc.) incest & they're idiots for that imo. (I mean I get the definition, but not kink wise)
It's painful to see Patreon games try to cope with this. Even if the MC is an orphan with no relatives they still need to go the whole 'patch' or 'define your own relations' route, or dance around the situation, if they dare to put related characters in the game.
Tbh patreon is the main reason I don't like incest games
Good thing there's none of that with this game. (y)


That's like the best thing in the whole game. The assertively-submissive thing feels fresh & very well done. :love::love::love:


Also for Ness, I didn't mean dom sub in the bdsm sense, but more like her acting at the start of the game or the beginning of the Rose-Ness scene was dominant while how she melted when mc fucked her or how she dressed up for the mc was her being more submissive i.e. I was referring to her being tomboyish/hard-headed/tough, etc. vs being girlish/romantic/etc.

I just thought of her like a coconut: hard & prickly on the surface but tender & soft on the inside. I just like the duality of such characters & feel there's a depth to them.
Her 'you think I look pretty?' was very cute.
There's just something about such a abrasive tomboy suddenly dressing up for you, add that to the layered character angle (further hinted by izzy how her personality is a result of her desire to get mommy's approval by being the son she always wanted) Maybe the real, girly, Ness is hiding behind all that, wanting to behave & be complimented & treated like a lady. (& that's why she falls to nat's manipulations)
(Also loved stella's insecurities. Compared to body types, I love a character's depth of personality)
For sure I wouldn't tag the game as "incest" unless the MC is the one related, and I agree -
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That is kind of the angle I was going with Ness. More of a "she can be more than one thing" than "MC's dick turns her into a submissive". So, yeah, she's still going to threaten to body slam you (and possibly follow through), but she also wants to put on some makeup and behave a little more stereotypically "girly".

The dictionary/legal definition of incest in most jurisdictions is M/F vaginal sex between two people who are too closely related to be legally married.

So gay/lesbian 'incest' isn't really incest (though it's kinky, yes).

Anal sex is not incest.

Oral, handjobs, etc. are not incest.

Basically, unless the related people get together and put a penis into a vagina, it's not incest.

But F95, Patreon, and most of the rest of the Internet will call it incest if people who are related as first-cousins or closer get naughty sexually in almost any way. YMMV.
This is kind of like the legal definition of sodomy compared to how it's typically used. Way back when "don't ask, don't tell" was a thing I would occasionally point out to fellow service members that getting a blowjob was technically a violation of the UCMJ whenever they tried to hide their bigotry behind regulations.

But yeah, I think we all agree that if you want to satisfy the incest kink, a male MC needs to put it in a close blood relation. Or a female MC needs to get it from a blood relation but that's a little less relevant here.
 

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And was as blasé and impassive about that as he is about anything. "Oh dear, it seems my sister and my girlfriend just conspired to drug me. Oh well, probably nothing to worry about."
Sometimes you just gotta roll with it.
It was somewhat intended to read, from the MC's perspective, as not clear enough for him to be certain. So, there's a little hesitance around asking his sister - "Did you just slip me some molli/viagra?" because that's not the kind of thing you would reasonably expect your sister to do. Then he gets the implant and that episode is kind of the least of his worries now.
 
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