Just what counts as NTR/sharing?

[AlisaB]

You are perfectly aware of what will happen in that thread as soon as the update is released including that scene. The OP is asking if that situation could be labeled as NTR by some people and we all know it will be. So my simple suggestion to the dev is to ask in advance in the thread where he can get the most specific feedback. Especially after claiming his game will be NTR free

Some undesirables will always cry and complain, no matter what and will feel cucked by girl having any physical contact with character other than MC.
Yes, devs should be transparent about their planned fetishes but prostitution/pimping, lesbian etc. are different from NTR. They should still be properly tagged for those who are/aren't into that content, though.

 

[AmazonessKing]

Some undesirables will always cry and complain, no matter what and will feel cucked by girl having any physical contact with character other than MC.
Yes, devs should be transparent about their planned fetishes but prostitution/pimping, lesbian etc. are different from NTR. They should still be properly tagged for those who are/aren't into that content, though.

I slightly disagree. I agree with the fact that some people will always complain because you can't please everyone, but you can't be serious about the pimp part.

 

[AlisaB]

Whoring/pimping is different from NTR as there is no emotional attachment or love involved and therefore no jealousy which is crucial part of NTR. Girls act more like property rather than love interests and it caters to female humiliation fetish rather than NTR.
So no, I dont consider brothel management games as NTR even though I dislike real NTR = some pathetic bastard getting cucked by chad.

And again, whether it's pimping, NTR or any other kink - it should be mentioned in the opening post from the dev to prevent drama.

 

[AmazonessKing]

No emotional attachment not love needed for NTR to happen. Drama will keep happening because of these disagreements regardless. I mean, who in their right mind derives pleasure from seeing others fucking their property and think it isn't NTR? Do you find hot if other people use your toothbrush? Because I really don't see the connection between female humiliation and NTR'ing yourself. Pimps do what they do for money, not for some weird sick fetish, and that's hardly applied in game since all the currency you could make there by humiliating yourself and letting other people use what's yours is not exactly an equivalent exchange.

That being said, sure, I agree, you are avoiding most drama by being open about the fetishes, but you really are not going to get rid of all of it, that's just the reality of things when it comes to highly subjective fetishes.

 

[AlisaB]

The idea of reducing partner to property(male or female) is part of more extreme variants of male/female dom and humiliation fetishes.
Whether you you call it 'sick' or whatever doesn't change anything. For me, furry, futa, incest, scat are all disgusting but some people love them.

 

[AmazonessKing]

Yes, but as I said, I don't see how reducing someone to a property is an excuse to just pass it around. Again, I don't share my toothbrush for obvious reasons. Sounds like confusing fetishes to me.

 

[GentlemanCorpse]

Hi, just my 5 cents as a player...
I like romance and faithful games, or where I can be faithful.

NTR is for me a very broad description of feeling uneasy and made jealous of other people intimacy. It is not all about stealing or even having a relationship.

Many say because it is Girl on Girl it is not NTR for them, I would still feel uneasy.
A LI making out with other girls without my knowledge or else is for me already NTR. It makes me feel uneasy, also if there is no relationship. If the games makes it look like there is something growing and then the character fools around with someone else...ntr for me, I don't care if male or female...

Examples:
I saw an example mentioned, Maya and Josy in Badik, I have let them gone, I felt more like a third wheel and pretty bad in this situation, same bad feelings like ntr, they loved each other much longer and I have not seen the big romance between all three.

Another one, don't know the game name, the sister is hitting on the girlfriend of MC, that gets me also furious, could bitchslap her. also no clear NTR label on the game.

One I just read about, mother and a teacher getting at it, making out without the MC, MC had already sex and intimacy with the mother. He just walks in on them and suddenly he can join. I would feel the same third wheel, I already think then, ok, if I would have not gone there, would they keep fucking and starting something?

Or even the one where the girlfriend is fucked by her mother while being away from the MC etc.. that's NTR/cheating... but many don't care because girl on girl..

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I would always appreciated a game which is clear with the relationships. If you are a guy with no commitments to anybody and everybody is clear they can fool around with whoever, then I am fine if partners have others. But I have to say I avoid obvious whores or slut characters anyway.

Best would be polyamory, this is for me the best of 2 worlds, Harem and Romance. But I guess that's too boring and missing all the drama...

I have to say I played my first NTR game 2 days ago, which I actually find ok. Why? Because I could tell my wife to fuck off after she fucked my boss, so I can keep my job. How pathetic do you have to be to find this great and stay with her and even work for this guy? I found it satisfying to be able to react like a, no offense, normal human male. Ok, after that MC makes suicide because he is still pathetic, but I think this is normal in those games.

If something like this happens, like above examples, give the MC the possibility to break up and so on... otherwise he will stay always cuck and I don't believe many like this...


Regards

 

[Atemsiel]

Hmmm, well this has become complicated. I'll try this NTR thread and see what they say. At very least the lesbian stuff will be avoidable, but I know for some people the fact that it's an option is the same as it being unavoidable (I don't really get this mindset, but I've seen it here a few times)

I suppose context probably doesn't really matter too much, but it's not 2 girls actively engaging in a romantic relationship with each other, it's just 2 best friends having some fun with each other before the player has actually "laid claim" to them. It'll be interesting to see how much flak I catch for this lol.

 

[Darknesssilent]

I suppose context probably doesn't really matter too much, but it's not 2 girls actively engaging in a romantic relationship with each other, it's just 2 best friends having some fun with each other before the player has actually "laid claim" to them. It'll be interesting to see how much flak I catch for this lol.

You will get alot of flak best advice don't show it and just say it once in game after they meet the MC and when they are with the mc then you can show it.

 

[Geralt_R]

it's just 2 best friends having some fun with each other

I REALLY wish VNs would do away with the "bi-curious slut" trope. It's so, so, so, sooooooo tiring and silly. Make that optional. But of course that's just my opinion. And it would be even worse if that is only revealed after the MC engages with a woman and then finds out she's been like that in the past.
Too many VNs, even some of the very good ones like Leap of Faith, have these "not really" lesbians who will fall for the MC, eventually offering him to become a throuple. It's more or less ok if that is entirely optional (like in Leap of Faith) but since so many VNs have that it feels really lazy. At least in LoF the MC can help the lesbian couple to form an even better relationship as a true friend and they stay together and don't fall for the MC (as ONE option, if you want things that way, other options exist). That's good writing.

 

[Atemsiel]

I REALLY wish VNs would do away with the "bi-curious slut" trope. It's so, so, so, sooooooo tiring and silly. Make that optional. But of course that's just my opinion. And it would be even worse if that is only revealed after the MC engages with a woman and then finds out she's been like that in the past.
Too many VNs, even some of the very good ones like Leap of Faith, have these "not really" lesbians who will fall for the MC, eventually offering him to become a throuple. It's more or less ok if that is entirely optional (like in Leap of Faith) but since so many VNs have that it feels really lazy. At least in LoF the MC can help the lesbian couple to form an even better relationship as a true friend and they stay together and don't fall for the MC (as ONE option, if you want things that way, other options exist). That's good writing.

I imagine it's a very tired trope, probable=y because it's hot imo. I'll admit I'm kinda tired of it too, which worries me somewhat because I'm straight up including it. That said, I like the trope when it's done well. To me that doesn't mean written well, it just means not written stupidly. Girls that are straight as fuck instantly becoming lesbians for no reason is always a bit odd. I'm not gonna pretend I'm gonna be any better, but I'm gonna try. Ultimately, my game is content first, story after, though both aspects are important to me.

I think from a developers perspective, including bicurious or lesbian characters provides a lot more freedom when writing scenes. If every scene was just MC and girl, then I think it would be too easy to just repeat yourself. If the girls are varied of course, this changes, but adding more characters can be fun as long as it's not "This girl is a lesbian now specifically so I can put her in this scene". It has to make some sense in the story, even if the story has to be taken with a grain of salt (As almost all porngame stories do)

My game is still only at 1 public release so far though so I guess we'll see if it ends up being any good or not.

 

[nanayabusiness]

Asking if something counts as NTR is like asking if something counts as guro.

 

[Meaning Less]

Asking if something counts as NTR is like asking if something counts as guro.

Well, not if you go to a forum with people claiming that spanking until bruised already counted as guro, or that showing blood when taking virginity also counts as guro.

There is nonsense everywhere.

 

[nanayabusiness]

If you're wondering whether guro is an appropriate description of a spanking or defloration scene that you want to write, I'm going to go with a big fat "YES" until I see it for myself.