LOGhetto

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Left the game half finished with a complete tag slapped on it, not only that but in the following years he had the gall to release "DLC" that turned out to be minimum effort with maximum "dev" time. He gets away with it because of brown nosers like the one above.

People who think this game is great don't realize that 85% of the content they think is great was all made in the first half of it's development, which was already not short mind you. Then the guy leaned back on his business hammock and started doing as little work as he could for ever increasing paid "support".

- He left the last two floors unfinished, a complete joke that everyone can see. Actually can't even say they are unfinished because there is no work there, it's just a room that exists.
- He never implemented most of the side activities in the game. Now you have history revisionists saying those were never meant to exist, like people are that stupid they can't see it in front of their eyes
- Edicts that alluded to extra scenes were transformed into just percentage and stat boosts
- He cut content such as the masochistic pose/scenes
- The ending was a rushed joke, with one scene for one route that is basically just a variation of the guards office invasion scene
- He spent a year (or over a year?) making the Gym DLC (which was already cut content from the game) only for it to turn out awful. People complained so he put on his good guy hat and said he would remake it to please the fans. So he took another year getting that sweet "I'm working hard" money and then released the DLC again exactly how it already was but with an added copy pasted scene that was already in the game. Mission Acomplished.
- I forget the time frame for it's developement but he also worked hard on the "draw squigly lines on Karryn's face" DLC
- His latest venture is the clown tits DLC which took another year and consisted of him doing basically nothing while the artist touched up blatantly AI generated images to replace the art style.

TLDR: Half way through developing the game he started doing a quarter of the work he used to.

Karryn's Prison is the best H game out there but it would have been twice as good if the guy have kept his pace and his promices. To me that is already bad but what he's done with DLC since then is even worse.

Edit: Oh and by the way: When Karryn's Prison ended the way it did, the cope back then was to say that it was a good thing because Remtairy was gonna start working on his new game, but it's more than clear that his MO since then is not to work on any new game but to cash in on KP with lame DLCs. Also keep in mind how dumb it is to assume a new game from him would just be on the same level as KP given his work prior to it and since. We had a good thing and it was wasted.
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Dickhead8888

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To be fair the game came out in 2020, it was a different time, when the market, the need and all was new. Karryn's Prison wouldnt even hold a candle if it was released last year.

The game really just has nothing special to it, I played it in 2020 because there was nothing else to do and I keep playing it now because this is what I has been doing and I wonder why do I keep playing it.

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droglob

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To be fair the game came out in 2020, it was a different time, when the market, the need and all was new. Karryn's Prison wouldnt even hold a candle if it was released last year.

The game really just has nothing special to it, I played it in 2020 because there was nothing else to do and I keep playing it now because this is what I has been doing and I wonder why do I keep playing it.

post nut clarification is real.
What has released since KP that blew people's crusty socks away? Cause i haven't seen anything worthy of note.
 

Purple_Heart

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What has released since KP that blew people's crusty socks away? Cause i haven't seen anything worthy of note.
Define "people".
Most played games on this site are vn's, 3dcg crap and "games" such as Wild Life and Fallen Doll. I'm pretty sure atleast some of those are still considered "best game ever" by "people".
Do they count?
 
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To be fair the game came out in 2020, it was a different time, when the market, the need and all was new. Karryn's Prison wouldnt even hold a candle if it was released last year.

The game really just has nothing special to it, I played it in 2020 because there was nothing else to do and I keep playing it now because this is what I has been doing and I wonder why do I keep playing it.

post nut clarification is real.
I have to disagree here, the market wasn't "new" back in 2020.

I mean, yes, in 2020, hgames in general became more popular, both due to Covid, and Steam starting since around 2017 to accept Hgames...
However, the Hgame market itself already existed for a long time. If we're not including Japan's Hgame market (which existed since even before the 90's), Hgames started getting popular globally around 2012, mostly due to the fantranslation of japanese Hgames, then even more in 2015 with the birth of Nutaku.

Karryn's Prison worked because it has a more interesting way to corrupt the protagonist, while most corruption games, even now, still do the usual "trigger some events in town and lose fights".
It also has a very unique feel compared to most RPG Maker games, and a lot of stuff that can make your experience feel unique (multiple ways to make your protagonist stronger, multiple endings, a lot of title with actual effects, minigames, NG+...)

The devs also weren't at their first game, so they were already a bit known in the market, and people had a point of reference (Meltys Quest).

Karryn's Prison have some problems, but even if it released today, I think it would still sell well enough.

Most of the unhappy people aren't unhappy because of how Karryn's Prison released (even if they did cut some content), they're unhappy because the devs didn't do much with it afterwards by releasing very niche DLCs (like the P-cup one) instead of more actual content like new floors for example, or working on their next big game.
 

droglob

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Define "people".
Most played games on this site are vn's, 3dcg crap and "games" such as Wild Life and Fallen Doll. I'm pretty sure atleast some of those are still considered "best game ever" by "people".
Do they count?
No, no VN, 3DCG crap or Unreal Scam Engine shit made since then counts because they are all scams or generic. They existed before KP and they exist now in the exact same way.

I can name one game made since then that really surprised me with how good it was and that's The Pilgrimage, which is a Renpy game about Tali from Mass Effect. However, as great as that game is and as exemplary as that dev is i can't say it blows KP away because it's unfortunately still one of those games where you have to do the counterintuitive (wrong) things to see the porn, the gameplay is not as good as KP and it has my personal pet peeve of locking content behind different player options (which is in line with Mass Effect but i hate it in porn).

The importance of properly integrating porn in your game can't be overstated. It's baffling how so few games strive to do it at all much less do it right.
 
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You guys do know you can just stop supporting on Patreon/Subscribestar/Ci-en, right? They're not forcing anyone to continue to give them money, nor are they promising anything for those who do give them money. I stopped contributing as soon as they stopped putting out updates on SS.
 

Purple_Heart

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No, no VN, 3DCG crap or Unreal Scam Engine shit made since then counts because they are all scams or generic. They existed before KP and they exist now in the exact same way.

I can name one game made since then that really surprised me with how good it was and that's The Pilgrimage, which is a Renpy game about Tali from Mass Effect. However, as great as that game is and as exemplary as that dev is i can't say it blows KP away because it's unfortunately still one of those games where you have to do the counterintuitive (wrong) things to see the porn, the gameplay is not as good as KP and it has my personal pet peeve of locking content behind different player options (which is in line with Mass Effect but i hate it in porn).

The importance of properly integrating porn in your game can't be overstated. It's baffling how so few games strive to do it at all much less do it right.
How about these games? They integrate porn with gameplay but they lack decent graphics.
Solas City Heroes, Kinky Fight Club 2, Eris Dysnomia, Lona RPG, Station Master, Goblin Burrow, Last Evil, Monster Black Market. There's Holy Knight Ricca too, you can view sex scenes as long as you manage to complete the stage(so you aren't forced to lose) but it clearly seperates sex from gameplay by doing so. Also, there are text-based games(with some images too) but they are mostly just text. Degrees of Lewdity, Strive For Power, Lilith's Throne comes to mind. They aren't really best games around but they integrate sex into gameplay well enough(atleast for me).

Simply Mindy comes to mind.
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How about these games? They integrate porn with gameplay but they lack decent graphics.
Solas City Heroes, Kinky Fight Club 2, Eris Dysnomia, Lona RPG, Station Master, Goblin Burrow, Last Evil, Monster Black Market. There's Holy Knight Ricca too, you can view sex scenes as long as you manage to complete the stage(so you aren't forced to lose) but it clearly seperates sex from gameplay by doing so. Also, there are text-based games(with some images too) but they are mostly just text. Degrees of Lewdity, Strive For Power, Lilith's Throne comes to mind. They aren't really best games around but they integrate sex into gameplay well enough(atleast for me).


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- I played that Solas game, it's pretty good but it won't be an actual game until it's finished. IF it's finished.
- Didn't play that Fight Club one because the premise was very weak
- Eris Dysnomia is cool, especially the action mechanics but it's one of those games where you have to purposely lose and go out of your way to corrupt the character. Speaking of which there was another game like this but it was in 3D, the sequel is in development. That one was also really good but has the same issue.
- Lona RPG is a window into mental illness
- Didn't play Station Master but the previews look pretty awful
- Didn't play Goblin Burrow because i get really bored of Japanese games with static CGs nowadays especially if the art is generic
- I never played Last Evil but remember it looking kinda interesting, i didn't know it was finished so maybe I'll try it some day.
- Maybe one day I'll try Monster Black Market but i tend not to like those games because it's just generic characters, plus a lot of them are constant busy work that penalize you for wasting time watching the actual porn

That Ricca game is in my "if i ever get bored" backlog. It looked impressive gameplay and graphics wise but again the porn is counterintuitive to the gameplay. I'm definitely not into text games. These days i can't even tolerate HTML games with just jpegs. No text worth reading is just as bad though.
 
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ThatHero

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I like how the systems in Karryn work and I had fun collecting all the titles, but it is a grindy motherfucker and some people are just never gonna be into that. Adding more side-jobs and floors wouldn't have changed that, it would have just added more things for the player to grind.
I think this is my biggest issue with the game on both sides of the fence. We want them to add more content, but just based off of the Gym DLC and what was already in the game before that, everything is built around the concept of grinding and slowly unshackling Karryn's restraints. The game would honestly need to be rebuilt from the ground up with intent to outright avoid that pitfall due to how spaghetti the code seems to be at this point.

Or you know, finished updating so modders could have a real crack at it. I think the game could have been pushed much further if Rem and co. worked more directly with modders or hiring additional coders, but I understand why they wouldn't.

To deal with the grind I think the game would need to have rebalanced how arousal works on the prisoners (it is ridiculous how much longer it takes to win through arousal than through physical damage), or add an auto-battler mode that quickly deals with chaff and trash (pleasure stance is almost that but only works for slut builds and even then it is just going idle), and maybe a way to "condense" certain mechanics so they are less repetitive to deal with (i.e, add a "riot boss" mob that you can defeat to instantly end a riot on a floor instead of having to fight 5-6 mobs everytime a riot happens).
I am shocked that there were never any passives, titles, or skills that influenced enemy starting pleasure meters to make slut builds as snappy as combat ones. You basically have to be a full on slut with high Dex if on Prisoner difficulty so you can tackle 3+ prisoners at once and instantly take them out, but at that point enemies might need to finish multiple times lol

A number of the edicts that give you more income actually make the game take longer, while the ones that would decrease the grind are very expensive. I end up skipping most of the edicts in every run because of this. You should be able to run the bar/visitor center/strip club without doing the sidejob mini-game after fulfilling some conditions (maybe with a caveat of higher fatigue and/or a debuff), even if the rewards are lowered. It would also help if you got bonuses from doing the sidejobs in the same way that you do with Artisan Meals and Shop Items (these are both underutilized and waste time since you need to walk to their rooms for the effects). The Gym for sure should have some positive effects instead of how it currently is with only negative ones.
 

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how do you use the demo skill for the gym job i have it unlocked but cant use it
If i remember correctly in adition to the demostration skill you need to have unlocked the vaginal or anal skill and the desire in the corresponding area
 
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Dickhead8888

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What has released since KP that blew people's crusty socks away? Cause i haven't seen anything worthy of note.
Unlike Karryn's Prison, they werent released at the time where people's need for sex at its peak, in the middle of covid when you cant even see your neighbors.

I enjoy the game but I'm not gonna glaze it act like i'm a connaisseur and it's the best thing ever, that's be silly.
 

Dickhead8888

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I have to disagree here, the market wasn't "new" back in 2020.

I mean, yes, in 2020, hgames in general became more popular, both due to Covid, and Steam starting since around 2017 to accept Hgames...
However, the Hgame market itself already existed for a long time. If we're not including Japan's Hgame market (which existed since even before the 90's), Hgames started getting popular globally around 2012, mostly due to the fantranslation of japanese Hgames, then even more in 2015 with the birth of Nutaku.

Karryn's Prison worked because it has a more interesting way to corrupt the protagonist, while most corruption games, even now, still do the usual "trigger some events in town and lose fights".
It also has a very unique feel compared to most RPG Maker games, and a lot of stuff that can make your experience feel unique (multiple ways to make your protagonist stronger, multiple endings, a lot of title with actual effects, minigames, NG+...)

The devs also weren't at their first game, so they were already a bit known in the market, and people had a point of reference (Meltys Quest).

Karryn's Prison have some problems, but even if it released today, I think it would still sell well enough.

Most of the unhappy people aren't unhappy because of how Karryn's Prison released (even if they did cut some content), they're unhappy because the devs didn't do much with it afterwards by releasing very niche DLCs (like the P-cup one) instead of more actual content like new floors for example, or working on their next big game.
The market wasnt new, but the people was, in the middle of covid, when everyone locked up and horny.

I dont know if Rem had a budget on advertising, but He put the game as "finished" and "completed" (arguably) right at that time, helped it quickly gained attraction and attention over other many "ongoing" projects, which been quite awhile, since the world began, been known as lackluster money scams (many of them at least), as you know it. I remember woke up that morning and Karryn's Prison was everywhere.

You are comparing Karryn Prison to other low tier weaker quicker buck bowrser VNs. Proper Corruption mechanics, multiple endings, RPG mechanics and all wasnt new, it's wasnt uncommon, it's been done before. and any decent games do build it properly, Let's not pretend Karryn is the only one.

Karryn Prison wouldnt survive with that triple A price tag if it was released last year. You have to admit it there are objectively way better things to spend 30 bucks (40 with dlcs) and 500 hours now, on steam at least, moving on from 2020, not talking only about hgame, or adult products in general.

Meltys Quest was a way smaller and less popular game, Dev team would get experience from it to make a better game, but not the preference of wider audiences, also the market is no longer like what it was at Karryn's release.

The people are unhappy at Karryn's Prison because they still treat the game as an 'ongoing" instead of "finished" and expecting more contents, more actual contents. Rem isnt free of blame neither, yes he's not promising anything with that "completed" tags, but he does tease the hell out of his supporters by deliberately leave hinds of available expansions to the game's voids which only he knows will never come. a good example is that entrance to nursing room which on purpose, never removed.
 
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