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Please tell me how, as in my numerous playthroughs I wasn't able to meet a floor 1 enemy who was interested in initiating oral with Karryn.... except Guards and bar storage penal troops. And I am talking about unsubjugated lv 1 at the start of the game, not rioting, when prisoners from other floors or rare enemies may appear. You only have handjob-happy regular prisoners, simpleton thugs who mask their ineptitude with rough manhandling and bratty gropey goblins. You can give up in front of a thug or a prisoner with +100 mouth and +80 cock desire and they will not go further than sticking their fingers in her mouth... unless it's a bar storage defeat scene. Goblins will stop at kissing. Side jobs are not available until you've subjugated floor 1.
I've only met regular prisoners, thugs, goblins and guards on Lv 1 from the get go and only some Guards would dare sticking their dicks in undefeated Warden's mouth saying 'I'm sorry, Warden, I just couldn't resist....'
Rare enemies (meaning stronger specimens with extra 'kinks') and dwellers from other floors who may be incorrigible blowjob enthusiasts who'd convince Karryn that sucking inmates' dicks and fighting them at the same time are not mutually exclusive activities will not be available at this early stage of the game.
I never said, that there are enemy types on Level 1, that initiate a Blowjob. You said, that Guards and Level 1 Defeat Scene are the only way, to learn BJ. That is just not true, since for example, you can learn BJ Skill via the Goblin Sex Scene, just as you can learn Titjob there as well. You just need other enemies around and have the desire for it, while a Goblin is doing his thing.
Nice work, maybe I can help out here.
TL;DR: Win the guard battle twice or get the "Self Paid Equipment" edict and you're good to go (i.e. guards spawn in this battle that can initiate bjs).
Now, let's get to the details.
The easier of these two groups first: the guards in the guard battle.
As most already know, the type of guards changes depending on guard aggression which can be increased by fighting the (smoking) guard battle (increase by one) and by edicts (increase by more than one) and can be decreased (by one) only by losing the guard battle (this only negates the increase for starting it). Currently it is capped at Karryn's max level limit + 10. Thus, without clearing floor 1 the max guard aggression is 22. Let's look at the function that determines which guards are encountered:
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Now to the previously mentioned three prisoner type enemies that can initiate bjs.
(Some background for those interested: If want to get an idea how enemy ids and enemy troops work, look for my tweak regarding enemy troops. The enemy ids 58 and 61 are not used at all currently so there is only one enemy (with id 55) that can engage bjs.)
Now without going much into the details, I've looked at the enemies that spawn in each room (depending on order) and no room has a group containing the relevant prisoner type. So theoretically the "bj prisoner" cannot be met in normal floor 1 anarchy combat.
NOTE: All info relevant for v0.7B.p. Also, I remember that in the past I noticed some randomness regarding the enemies encountered in the normal battles. So without knowing more it may still be entirely possible that these prisoners can spawn, but I don't know how.
EDIT: Just tested it, it works fine in guard battles.
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It appears you weren't paying attention to the opening question from the user asking how they can acquire BJ skills when their Karryn is:
'still on Floor 1 (not subjugated), is a virgin [sadist], has 0 orgasms and 0 defeats.'
and they probably intend to keep her a virgin sadist. So no opportunist dick-sneaks into piehole during Goblin sex... If they want her to be undefeated (and frigid) then Guard Battles are the only solution.
Still, the fastest way to teach Karryn how to suck cocks is the Linda Lovelace University located in the Bar Storage Room. And she will keep her virginity while taking seminars there.
IT WORKS!!! NICE! It does not look like there are other things to do other then work at the bar, satisfy cocks in the toilet, work at the reception and fuck some guards.
Linda Lovelace University located in the Bar Storage Room....Do I unlock this?
And again, false. You can keep her a Virgin, you just need to manage your Desires.
BJ Req. is 100 Mouth and 65 Cock. Which you can reduce to 85 Mouth and 50 Cock with Acc. Mascot Phone Strap.
Cunn. Req. is 85 Pussy
Vaginal Sex is 100 Pussy and 85 Cock. Which you can increase to 105 Cock with Acc. Chain Hand.
So don't tell me it is impossible, since I already did it, as long as you keep Pussy under 100 or Cock under 85 (105) she doesn't get fucked.
What's Goblin Sex scene then? Anal? Cunnilingus?
If the former, then I wonder how will a goblin initiate anal outside of reception. Or should Karryn initiate anal with a goblin, so a fellow inmate may use her mouth? Learning to suck cock after she mastered anal... why not?
If the latter, then I wonder how you manage to maintain Karryn's pussy desire between 85 and 100 and cock desire between 65 and 85, so a goblin will muffdive on her, but no one will dare put their prick in there and choose to fuck her mouth instead. More than twenty such scenarios would be needed to unlock the BJ skill. The more pussy related passives she gets as rewards for pussy-related activites, the harder it is to control her pussy desire with such precision. And it will be quite difficult to earn that much money in the early stage of the game to be able to afford the gadgets you mentioned and wear both at the same time to manipulate these margins in your favour. The Warden level ups are restricted to 12 if I'm not mistaken before you subjugate the 1st lv, so a player will have a hard time to be able to use her Willpower to successfully manage at least two desires....
Quite an intricate approach to solving the quest for a blowjob skill without losing viriginity, without defeat and without the Guards help.
Well I never said it was easy. I only said it is possible, since I already did it. Your way is the much easier one, no question but if you want to stay undefeated and not use the guards, it is possible.
You should get a free copy of the final version for such an impressive achievement, really!
I prefer to interact with the Guards, especially in the early stages of the game, as regardless of style of play, sadistic-Amazonian or maso-slutty or a mix of both, you can obtain a lot of badly needed initial skills at the cost of only 2% fatigue.
Defeat scenes also have their merits, though it wouldn't hurt for these scenes to have their victory versions for players wanting to be always on top. But, this is a fall-from-grace game at its core, not an any-and-all fetish free-style sex simulator.
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hmm im more of a vaginal person while i dont mind anal i prefer if they enemies go for her pussy first is there a way to set the Ai for that ?
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asaness Do you expect anything more specific?
Because the thing is, with the way you phrased it, even "just keep using Suppress Butt Desire willpower skill" would fit the bill since all sex skills have desire thresholds attached to them. For example, initiating anal requires Cock Desire of at least 85 + Butt Desire of 100, and suppressing the latter would prevent anal without interfering with other cock-related skills (blowjobs, vaginal etc.).
There ARE edits you could make to shift probability of enemies using a specific skill, but frankly I fail to see the need to edit anything, hence my question.
mamaboiii Uhm...somewhere between "thanks a TON" and "*speechless*" right now.
Now that I picked up a few new things I can go break more stuff (and then wonder why enemies "suddenly" started hitting like a truck or stopped spawning...or something)
Because the thing is, with the way you phrased it, even "just keep using Suppress Butt Desire willpower skill" would fit the bill since all sex skills have desire thresholds attached to them. For example, initiating anal requires Cock Desire of at least 85 + Butt Desire of 100, and suppressing the latter would prevent anal without interfering with other cock-related skills (blowjobs, vaginal etc.).
There ARE edits you could make to shift probability of enemies using a specific skill, but frankly I fail to see the need to edit anything, hence my question.
mamaboiii Uhm...somewhere between "thanks a TON" and "*speechless*" right now.
Now that I picked up a few new things I can go break more stuff (and then wonder why enemies "suddenly" started hitting like a truck or stopped spawning...or something)I am wary of raising guard aggression since, from what I understand, there is no [legitimate] way to bring it down afterwards (assuming losing their battle results in "it is not increased" rather than "it is decreased", i.e. merely cancelling out the increase from starting the battle). Also, after day 30 or so I started taking occasional hits of ~800 non-crit stamina damage (with my pool of ~1300) from not only strength-oriented thugs but even normal prisoners. I doubt Secretary Mode is supposed to scale that fast to such a degree, so I try to keep enemy scaling to a minimum until I figure out what it was that I changed that broke things.
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well maybe even with surpressed the goblin seems to going anal in the deskjob mission or do they enver do vaginaLasaness Do you expect anything more specific?
Because the thing is, with the way you phrased it, even "just keep using Suppress Butt Desire willpower skill" would fit the bill since all sex skills have desire thresholds attached to them. For example, initiating anal requires Cock Desire of at least 85 + Butt Desire of 100, and suppressing the latter would prevent anal without interfering with other cock-related skills (blowjobs, vaginal etc.).
There ARE edits you could make to shift probability of enemies using a specific skill, but frankly I fail to see the need to edit anything, hence my question.
mamaboiii Uhm...somewhere between "thanks a TON" and "*speechless*" right now.
I am wary of raising guard aggression since, from what I understand, there is no [legitimate] way to bring it down afterwards (assuming losing their battle results in "it is not increased" rather than "it is decreased", i.e. merely cancelling out the increase from starting the battle). Also, after day 30 or so I started taking occasional hits of ~800 non-crit stamina damage (with my pool of ~1300) from not only strength-oriented thugs but even normal prisoners. I doubt Secretary Mode is supposed to scale that fast to such a degree, so I try to keep enemy scaling to a minimum until I figure out what it was that I changed that broke things.