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The balance definitely needs work, at least on prisoner mode. At a certain point enemies constantly crit with basic petting moves resulting in back to back orgasms which basically locks you out of doing anything. Maybe my Karryn's stats are completely wrong but combat is generally worthless after 2 or 3 battles a day and even going for a sex strategy is shitty cause enemies seem to prefer petting over actually fucking her (except rogues and their rimjobs of god damn course), plus the constant gasming prevents you from doing anything. Petting moves need some sort of pleasure cap or something so rubbing her clit doesn't give 60% pleasure each time. IMO the petting moves should be more abount increasing desire so that the enemies can fuck her faster rather than a quick OP way of shutting you out of the game.
The jobs help with money and order but they're more of a chore after a while cause of the constant inputs you have to make (not to mention memorizing drink orders). Those would benefit greatly from streamlining, I basically play 1 or 2 in game days before I'm tired of playing the game.
The jobs help with money and order but they're more of a chore after a while cause of the constant inputs you have to make (not to mention memorizing drink orders). Those would benefit greatly from streamlining, I basically play 1 or 2 in game days before I'm tired of playing the game.
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yeah im kinda disappointed when i hear this project will not have pregnancy system but still maybe Sachi will change his mind when alot ppl request that lol
I don't think it will be possible in this stage of development, even they already planned for the endings.
I guess I am missing something (and I didn't come up with a search-term to find anything relevant in this thread):
When desires other than Cock get to high there are enemy attacks that do not do any damage to them, only to me.
Since I can't start other actions without stamina, how do I force what actions are happening? With the heal mind ability I could prolong the fight for ever, but how do I actually do damage to the enemy without having stamina or how do I get them to inflict it to themselfes?
When desires other than Cock get to high there are enemy attacks that do not do any damage to them, only to me.
Since I can't start other actions without stamina, how do I force what actions are happening? With the heal mind ability I could prolong the fight for ever, but how do I actually do damage to the enemy without having stamina or how do I get them to inflict it to themselfes?
- Sep 26, 2017
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Considering the constant in-game references to pregnancy, it may be in one of the endings, where if Karryn gets impregnated, it results in a pregnant ending. But that is a speculation.
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Would also like to add to the voices that there is something extremely fucky going on around with numbers.
On my save, Karryn will take 3-5 pleasure damage per attack in one fight, then on another fight with similarly leveled enemies she takes 50-70 pleasure damage per attack. No idea why this happens. I've also had it with stamina damage - 50-100 damage from one enemy, ~1500 from another - and they were generic mooks, not those super special rare ones.
One would think going for a slut playthrough is going to be less punishing since she's desensitized due to cumming constantly.
The new talent lowering energy loss from orgasms doesn't help much when you're basically stunlocked...
On my save, Karryn will take 3-5 pleasure damage per attack in one fight, then on another fight with similarly leveled enemies she takes 50-70 pleasure damage per attack. No idea why this happens. I've also had it with stamina damage - 50-100 damage from one enemy, ~1500 from another - and they were generic mooks, not those super special rare ones.
One would think going for a slut playthrough is going to be less punishing since she's desensitized due to cumming constantly.
The new talent lowering energy loss from orgasms doesn't help much when you're basically stunlocked...
It's only me, or whenever you start a "vaginal sex" action with lizards and/or orcs, the game freezes?-
- Mar 1, 2018
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expirianced same thing, chain orgasmed by normal enemies doing 60-80 arousal dmg per atack, theres one lizardman with "handsome" title that oneshots me with every sex even on fully rested karryn.
- Feb 4, 2018
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I want to say something about prisoner's mode v6 being playable up to completing lv 3, but seeing how I camp floor 1 for 100 days, floor 2 for over 200 days. I don't see anyone agreeing with my input.
But yeah, at this point, doing a normal new game on prisoner mode is suicide, even new game + with shitton of tittles won't help you. Only camping helps, if you can deal with the level scaling.
But yeah, at this point, doing a normal new game on prisoner mode is suicide, even new game + with shitton of tittles won't help you. Only camping helps, if you can deal with the level scaling.
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- Jul 20, 2018
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For the people complaining about balancing...
First of all, PLEASE say on what difficulty level you're running into these issues, because that affects the severity of the issue if anyone who supports Rem decides to pass them on in some fashion.
Second of all, keep in mind that the game is indeed balanced around Warden Mode, the normal mode, so whether what you're saying is a problem or not depends entirely on where you're running into it etc.
Third of all, Prisoner Mode is meant to be nasty, and it's meant to be more of a New Game+ mode, at least if you want to have any success in it, as far as I understand. And this is keeping in mind that we don't even have a full set of Passives and Titles available yet, so ALL game-play styles are gimped in some fashion.
Yes, this includes slut mode.
All that said...
I do agree that 0.6 balance in general is pretty wonky, and that's expected tbh. Rem only now added the "Wanted" system, which affects a lot of enemy stats in subtle ways and adds special enemies that can ruin your life on their own and which might actually make running away into the better option.
Specializations were added too with Level 2 subjugation, and I suspect that it's intended to pick at least one before you seriously try to dive into Level 3, no matter what type of build you're going for.
Side-jobs need some work... Secretary is not worth it time-wise on slut builds because you get more Order faster out of fucking around, and even out of defeat scenes. Bar can be quite tedious and it makes it so you DON'T want to upgrade the types of liquor you can serve because it makes things even more tedious... and who knows what Glory Hole will bring in 0.7...
Worse yet are the Nerd and Rogue changes... The Nerds just plain have annoying mechanics on every level, with no truly good counter, unlike the level 1 problems. The Rogues are just plain impossible to deal with unless super-slut or super high Agi is involved on 0.6, because you can end up tripped and disarmed in one turn, and with 2-3 other prisoners in the same pack like in the Corridor pack on lvl 3, Karryn can end up fully stripped too...
Unfortunately, I doubt it'll get much better for Prisoner Mode. Yukihirou has a good point there, planning and camping are likely going to be necessary there.
First of all, PLEASE say on what difficulty level you're running into these issues, because that affects the severity of the issue if anyone who supports Rem decides to pass them on in some fashion.
Second of all, keep in mind that the game is indeed balanced around Warden Mode, the normal mode, so whether what you're saying is a problem or not depends entirely on where you're running into it etc.
Third of all, Prisoner Mode is meant to be nasty, and it's meant to be more of a New Game+ mode, at least if you want to have any success in it, as far as I understand. And this is keeping in mind that we don't even have a full set of Passives and Titles available yet, so ALL game-play styles are gimped in some fashion.
Yes, this includes slut mode.
All that said...
I do agree that 0.6 balance in general is pretty wonky, and that's expected tbh. Rem only now added the "Wanted" system, which affects a lot of enemy stats in subtle ways and adds special enemies that can ruin your life on their own and which might actually make running away into the better option.
Specializations were added too with Level 2 subjugation, and I suspect that it's intended to pick at least one before you seriously try to dive into Level 3, no matter what type of build you're going for.
Side-jobs need some work... Secretary is not worth it time-wise on slut builds because you get more Order faster out of fucking around, and even out of defeat scenes. Bar can be quite tedious and it makes it so you DON'T want to upgrade the types of liquor you can serve because it makes things even more tedious... and who knows what Glory Hole will bring in 0.7...
Worse yet are the Nerd and Rogue changes... The Nerds just plain have annoying mechanics on every level, with no truly good counter, unlike the level 1 problems. The Rogues are just plain impossible to deal with unless super-slut or super high Agi is involved on 0.6, because you can end up tripped and disarmed in one turn, and with 2-3 other prisoners in the same pack like in the Corridor pack on lvl 3, Karryn can end up fully stripped too...
Unfortunately, I doubt it'll get much better for Prisoner Mode. Yukihirou has a good point there, planning and camping are likely going to be necessary there.
added anal requirement and info regarding vag sex. thanks for reminding me.
Where do you get the info that the wanted system was only now added? I remember that the system was already implemented in v.4 and back then I did not find anything indicating that the wanted enemies were not used.
Regarding the issue that some people have with the unlocked vaginal skill:
Both vag and anal sex skills (the skills themselves!) were implemented in v.6. I don't have early versions of v.6, but I assume the devs messed up the limits that unlock the passive that unlocks the vag sex skill. This has been fixed pretty fast, but saves that got the passive (which atm is in the game but not obtainable anymore) unlocked the sex skill, too. That has in general nothing to do with modding. Just don't use the skill if you got it or remove the passive that unlocks the skill.
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- Feb 4, 2018
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He meant that the wanted enemies are buffed now, also 1 order for taking down each one of them.
Before they are overall weaker than their non-wanted counterpart (even at max level) and give no bonus order at all, now they are stronger and give 1 extra oder each.
- Jul 20, 2018
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Technically, the Wanted system was NOT fully implemented until now.
It was kind of there, but it didn't work in full.
This is because, as far as I understand, it wasn't supposed to fully work before Level 2 is subjugated, where one of the NPCs that eventually pop in as you fix stuff in that level explains it.
It's one of those systems that would have been hard to deal with without understanding it. Not to mention that it's only on Level 2 where that same NPC also tells you how many Wanted enemies there are at any given time.
Though I haven't stress tested it to see how well it works yet tbh.
It was kind of there, but it didn't work in full.
This is because, as far as I understand, it wasn't supposed to fully work before Level 2 is subjugated, where one of the NPCs that eventually pop in as you fix stuff in that level explains it.
It's one of those systems that would have been hard to deal with without understanding it. Not to mention that it's only on Level 2 where that same NPC also tells you how many Wanted enemies there are at any given time.
Though I haven't stress tested it to see how well it works yet tbh.
- Aug 13, 2019
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To be frank, this game is hard on blind playthrough (if you play as a noob, the experience is definitely hilarious), assuming you have no idea how all the things work. But everything you need to learn and plan is on display (mostly, except those that are to be unlocked after subjugation of Levels). Just read and plan ahead is exactly something they need to add into the intro//...wait, didn't they already put the guides out as conversations with NPCs? XD
I had tested 3 different modes on New Game (not +). Warden Mode is quite fair for most enemies stats, I didn't have the same level of frustrations against nerds or rogues. I did find it a bit hard to deal with the green pig-like orcs, since they boost the defence up for the whole party (it's Secretary Mode aka Easy, and I played it like a complete noob. So everything up to Level 2 is almost a pushover, then Level 3 in the Gym Room, that was the hardest battle, even the boss fight against Mr Lizardman is easy; other note to follow: Karryn has accumulated 20-30% Pleasure from being Sadist and gains Pleasure from crit-ing and about 10-20 Fatigue prior to the fight, also she has fought 2-3 battles prior to that gym fight). I can no longer 1-hit most of them and Karryn got pushover.
Prisoner Mode is hard, and I did play like a fool in Hard Mode just to see how hard it gets. Simply put it this way: they don't put a sign warning you that is a HARD MODE for no reason. If you expect Hard Mode is a stroll in a park, well, you will be seeing Karryn getting full gangbang'd all the way. XD
