DudeBro79

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Oh ho ho, looks like we've got ourselves a case of the 'didn't-quite-get-the-memo-itis'. You must have been visiting the wrong classroom, buddy. Because you, my friend, missed the whole lecture on 'Point 101'. Perhaps next time, try to sit up front, take notes, and maybe even raise your hand once in a while. We'll make a scholar out of you yet! :KEK:


Absolutely, that's the melody I'm humming here! And maybe, just maybe, those game dev wizards could sprinkle some extra height pixie dust on her character too :lepew:
Ah, I didn't catch that you wanted her to have a bigger ass and other proportional changes to balance out her body. Been seeing too many kneejerk "omg her tits are too big they need to shrink them" posts. Carry on, then!
 

RedAISkye

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It means that you can't use it any way author doesn't permit, But if you don't believe that changing code without license is illegal...
We're talking about modding a game that you already have the license to.
You can as long as it's not for commercial purpose, it falls under fair use.

Let aside how complex should be DRM to be considered one...
Except it's not a DRM.

Encryption of assets or putting a barrier in demo so WIP content are not accessible are not anti-piracy measures.
The Steam DRM itself isn't even in the game as you can simply run the game without requiring Steam unlike other games that are actually protected by it and requires cracking or bypassing which would be leaning towards piracy.

They would've been if game dev haven't allowed them in discord with specific conditions: no paywalling
It's fair use as long as it's not done for commercial purpose, the reason they don't want people pay-walling mods.
Otherwise majority of mods that exists on many games would be illegal because the devs never gave them permission. Devs know modding community will ultimately benefit their game.

Big companies can still legally abuse it and take down any mods they want to, even if it's fair use and they gave permission.
Because they know modders wouldn't fight against them in court.
 

souldead341

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This isn't how it's done at all. A base full image is drawn to be used as a template from which you can cut pieces from. After it's cut to pieces you can assemble them minus the piece you want to change and use the template as reference to draw it. You can't just draw things separately while having the intended finished product in your head, everything would be an uncanny valley, disproportionate and misaligned mess.

Incidentally, if you already have all the cut outs or templates drawn, it would be trivial to sort of reverse engineer the process by assembling them to form a full image, have an AI do a pass of it and then disassemble the new art again.
I was kind of simplifying it, I know it's not a 100% realistic way to do it, but the guy I was responding to pretty obviously had no idea what a paperdoll system is (which they then confirmed as the case).

Also, you generally don't cut the image apart (based on my understanding), but use multiple layers in a program to hold the different pieces. That's what I mean by being drawn separately in this case, since each part is drawn fully in relation to the parts using the layers to keep each part separate.

Also, this game and many others don't have the images fully reassembled then put in the game, but hold each separate part of the image and layer them inside the game as it's running. This saves space in the file download, since you don't need to make literally every variation of the images possible in the game, just combine the correct parts. There are some games / developers who do make every variation, but those are generally more limited.
 

hyundai644

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Except it's not a DRM.
Well, I disagree, but that's not the point. Point is that it's equally illegal to modify both DRM code or non-DRM code without owner's permission. Thankfully, he allowed to create mods, but if he doesn't like some, he can forbid it, as it happened to uncensor mod for dlsite version of the game

It's fair use as long as it's not done for commercial purpose, the reason they don't want people pay-walling mods.
Fair use includes a lot of other factors besides commercial use. In case of removing demo barrier, it's clearly not fair use, since it economically impacts product owner. It's not a silver bullet that can be used to do all kind of things to the game.
Though my knowledge in "fair use" is shallow, so can't be sure about all intricacies. I don't exclude possibility that it can be used as a silver bullet if you have good lawyers :D

Otherwise majority of mods that exists on many games would be illegal because the devs never gave them permission. Devs know modding community will ultimately benefit their game.
I agree with you that game companies won't sue modders for reasons you've listed. Unless, of course, mod harms them. It's up to product owner in the end
 
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andrea74877

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I'm really into big tits, but dude, these ones in the game seem a bit exaggerated. They're way too out of proportion and it feels unnatural. It's like she has two balloons attached to her body (I know that doesn't make sense for a game, but you understand what I mean). If they could add some customization options to make her body look more balanced, maybe it would be better. This DLC just seems really poorly done. The game is one of my favorites, but this new character design feels like they didn't put much thought into making her feel sexy and beautiful so we can get horny and get our balls empty, as we did previously with our favorite bitch - Karen.
Maybe this is just how I see it.

Guys, what are your thoughts on this?

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Pandect

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For all the people arguing about whether something is 'fair use' or how your form of theft is 'not really stealing, honest', try starting by asking the question, "Will my argument hold up in front of a Judge?"

Because that's where you should be starting, not with shit like how it's technically fine or isn't a problem or how copying doesn't cause harm, start with asking yourself if saying this shit in a courtroom is going to result in a ruling against you or dismissal of your appeal when you do get ruled against.

I don't know why people always try to think about how a law works in theory or how it should apply rather than how it will apply.

If this is just a fun thought exercise, that's all fine, and carry on, but all of these arguments are just going to piss off the guy or gal deciding your fate and cause a ruling against you.
 

Dickhead8888

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I was kind of simplifying it, I know it's not a 100% realistic way to do it, but the guy I was responding to pretty obviously had no idea what a paperdoll system is (which they then confirmed as the case).

Also, you generally don't cut the image apart (based on my understanding), but use multiple layers in a program to hold the different pieces. That's what I mean by being drawn separately in this case, since each part is drawn fully in relation to the parts using the layers to keep each part separate.

Also, this game and many others don't have the images fully reassembled then put in the game, but hold each separate part of the image and layer them inside the game as it's running. This saves space in the file download, since you don't need to make literally every variation of the images possible in the game, just combine the correct parts. There are some games / developers who do make every variation, but those are generally more limited.
tldr: you draw each body part in seperate, then resemble it like an avenger team.
 

DrakeWasHere2

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Why are people arguing about piracy on a pirate site?

Am I to believe that anyone against piracy on here hasn't downloaded any games that were leaked? This includes Patron builds that aren't available to the public or Japanese games not released to the Western market in translation.

That is like going to a Pizza restaurant and arguing why they don't serve hamburgers.
 

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jojore

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I need help !
Can someone share or tell me how to get "nw.exe" of ver 1.2.5.11 ? mine is broken
(it's an old version with old graphic that i want to keep)
 

RedAISkye

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Well, I disagree, but that's not the point.
You disagree because you don't understand what's a DRM, what's put in place as anti-piracy measure and what's not.
So you're objectively wrong if you throw words like cracking/bypassing in a case where that doesn't apply.

Point is that it's equally illegal to modify both DRM code or non-DRM code without owner's permission.
It's not illegal when it's not done for commercial use. Again, 99% of the mods that exist would be illegal if that was the case, since most mods are created without the dev's permission.

In case of removing demo barrier, it's clearly not fair use, since it economically impacts product owner.
It is fair use since it's a personal use case. Same goes for decrypting game assets. They do not economically impact anything as you're accessing content that's publicly made available for free or you already have the license to.

I agree with you that game companies won't sue modders for reasons you've listed. Unless, of course, mod harms them. It's up to product owner in the end
No, I said modders won't take that fight with a big company in court even if the modder is in the right.

A big company can take down any mods they want, doesn't matter if the mod """harms""" them or not.
They have the power to legally abuse it, that's why I do not care for legality when it comes to such topic as they already differ depending on where you live, I look at things from a moral standpoint.

Devs not being able to maximize profits is not something I see as an issue, especially when it involves fucking over consumers.

...how your form of theft is 'not really stealing, honest'...
Because it isn't a form of "theft" at all, reason why it comes down to copyright issue and not theft.
 

zoomies

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What's Remtairy's been up to after Karryn's Prison, or is he still fixing things for it?
read or search. yeah i know the last few pages don't have anything of value about the game. rems most recen ci-en post has been posted here. or just go check discord or rems ci-en page.
 
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