Kormk

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It was pretty much assumed by everybody when he announced that they are going to take a break till first week of january that 7b would be at the end of the month at the earliest
Well to be honest I was perhaps still am waiting for it to come mid February. So his announcement of late January came as a surprise but a welcome
 

madchef

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But it IS a lose condition, if you orgasm to a point of running out of energy the day progresses and you can't do anything else. To clarify, I'm not referring to having battle-sex but having your pleasure bar maxed out faster than you fill up theirs, which is what the defeat passives seem to do.
Not really, but you need proper energy management, which this game is all about. You can easily let Karryn cum dozen of times per battle and she'll still come on 'top'. She's the only character in this game capable of multiple orgasms, while her strongest opponents can cum three times at best. There are passives that improve her energy management and you'll only get these by engaging in sex and orgasming. A lot. Just make sure to enact mind related edicts that also improve the energy management. You'll come to a point in the game where 12+ men will fuck the living daylights out of her in the Solitary Room and she'll still come out 'victorious', covered in cum head to toe and sparkling like a tripped fuse. It's a hardcore sex game, not a chastity / cum denial quest, although you may try hard to play this style... and fail eventually.

There's probably a cultural divide here, my experience (and enjoyment) of sub/dom comes from things like Monmusu Quest...
And my experience comes from... real life. Believe me, I've yet to meet a sadistic or even a sexually dominant woman who'd 'punish' or 'top' me or any other man by fucking her dry ass with a penis. That's not how anal sex works. And that is why in my cultural sphere the expression 'to give ass' means to fail miserably/give up/submit.

, where sexual competence is the deciding factor of who is "topping",
Let's not confuse sexual competence with domination/submission or sadism & masochism. I am sure there are many seasoned masochists whose experience, sexual expertise and sheer enjoyment can dwarf that of their masters, mistresses, daddies and mommies. There may be and possibly are such gluttons for punishment with butts so resilient that can tire a spanking hand to complete exhaustion and still be 'demanding' more. I can imagine it can affect the dynamic of a BDSM relationship or scene at times, but it does not change the core of what BDSM sex is. And it is not about whoever comes last wins. Some subs will be denied orgasms, while some will be made to cum till they faint. The key word here is 'made'. BDSM is all about control and willingly giving it up. Even if giving up control is exactly what a sub wants, thus having their wish granted by a dom who takes the control. That's why in that aspect BDSM play is often referred to as 'power exchange'.

The dom you described sounds overtly neglect and denial play based, which I find problematic as wouldn't successful doms be blue-balling themselves? If getting laid is equivalent to not being dominant.
Again, it is about being in charge, not blueballing. A perfect Dom will be able to make their sub cum on demand or become frigid on demand, while a perfect sub will obediently cum on demand or become frigid on demand. The same perfect Dom will have any of their sexual whims satisfied with no objection, regardless of those wishes' specifics, while the same perfect sub will obey with no questions. So, if I demand (by adding 'Now, bitch!' to my request) that my sex partner bite and twist my nipples while deepthroating and don't they make me cum too soon, then there is no doubt who's on top here, even if receiving quite painful caresses. If I say 'Stop now! You'll make me cum too soon, silly cow!' and the silly cow stops, I am still exerting my dominance. And the cow still submits.

See like this here, I am reading different signals because from the sex skills, combat dialogue, and tooltips Karryn sounds like she is enjoying wrapping the prison around her fingertips, going as far as to drug the guards and inmates to satisfy her whims better.
That's because the game is a mixed bag of concepts that's not to be taken seriously. Despite being pure, absurdist sex fantasy the size of Karryn's bossoms, it still conveys that concept of 'topping from the bottom'. Is a wilful, enthusiastic submissive who will make a rattan cane themselves without being asked to do so and bring it to their Dom asking to be whipped soundly and with no mercy still a submissive? What if the Dom refuses? What if they agree?

These questions aside, the game still leans towards Karryn's ultimate submission. That's what even the introduction at the start of new game says. If there was a femdom ending to the bar service game, for example her demanding that the drunk inmates lick her pussy clean, while she pees into the mug... If she could bring her fallen foes to the Solitary confinement room to spank their butts and twist their nipples for a change... Would that be a more convincing sadistic woman rather that an anal addict? The sadistic Karryn build is either not well thought-out or just a ploy to convince the player that their tit-fucking, assfucking slut is one cruel Mistress, while in fact you get the same sex scenes of one woman getting fucked vigorously by numerous men, only with absurd colorful texts like: 'how did they let such a sexual predator be our subordinate?' 'Please Warden Karryn, my eyes are up here' or 'What an obedient cock. I'm going to give it an anal blowjob.'
 

CellVTX

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I'm sad this game isn't one of these seemingly endless Hgame patreon projects and the dev is actually planning to end the development.
I've been playing this all week and it's one of my favorite game ever at this point, but I've already seen most of the content ;_; it deserves so much more than just what, 5 short floors??
 
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RazMon365

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Cant say I have a lot of experience but I totally agree with madchef. It seems the term S&M/BDSM very often misunderstand by a lot of people. Cant blame media/game etc either for this. But ya it seems this game leaning more in soft M for Karryn with some 'off' scenario, altho for the last update from the dev it seems getting better and better. As mentioned, for everyone that want to know, in BDSM the key is control, so if you want to understand S is the one in control and M is the one giving up the control.

Feel free to correct me, I'm just liking this BDSM topic and know a 'little'
 

jk11

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some time ago somebody posted a tweak to let karryn masturbate in peace during battle without being interrupted by those horny guys (basically reverting a fix rem spammed sometime ago)
but cannot find that post
any idea how to achieve that?
 

TheNextOne

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Is there a way to alter the waitress sex scene so she never has to drink cum but the actual normal alcohol (if that is even an option)? Or is it part of the scene itself? (I always had the scene when Karryn was already a ways down the slut path and thought she was fine with it because of the slut score)
The idea of her having to drink a whole mug of spunk without any other alternatives doesn't seem that appealing to me...
 

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Cant say I have a lot of experience but I totally agree with madchef....

... in BDSM the key is control, so if you want to understand S is the one in control and M is the one giving up the control.
Thank you! That is why I think that successful giving up and surrender should be granted masochistic passives in a more direct manner than cumming from a degrading comment or being an urinal for 15 times for example, regardless whether Karryn willingly surrendered to inmates on lv 2 or lost her battles despite putting up fierce resistance. Her will to submit (or the player's will, to be precise) should be what counts. Sex techniques not that much, unless some of them could be modified with a submissive/resistant/dominant flavour, like a reluctant blowjob vs accepting deep deep throat, or edging handjob denying access to penetrative sex vs let-me-jerk-you-off-sir-I-am-sorry-I-run-out-of-vacant-holes handjob. Still, I cannot imagine a sadistic receptive anal sex and I have quite a sick imagination. Unless the sadism is directed at one's own butt.

Of course there might be a problem differentiating between a truly submissive Warden and a carefree, promiscuous sex-addicted Karryn, but oftentimes these character traits come in pairs. ;)
 
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madchef

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Is there a way to alter the waitress sex scene so she never has to drink cum but the actual normal alcohol (if that is even an option)? Or is it part of the scene itself? (I always had the scene when Karryn was already a ways down the slut path and thought she was fine with it because of the slut score)
The idea of her having to drink a whole mug of spunk without any other alternatives doesn't seem that appealing to me...
In earlier stages of her slut development, there will be beer in the mug, topped up everytime she drinks. As her descent into depravity progresses, the bar patrons will switch to protein shakes without asking anyone's permission.
 

madchef

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I feel like the more I read the less I understand, or think I understand about s&m.

What would you call a "power bottom" then?
A power bottom is called a power bottom. The term was coined exactly to make a distinction between a submissive person who agrees to sexual or asexual behaviours regardless of their own enjoyment or lack thereof, while a power bottom is actively seeking allegedly humiliating or painful sex acts because they simply love these acts, without the need to bend their will to anyone. I, for one, love having my nipples twisted, just fucking adore that. No one ever forces me to do it, it is always I telling my partners to twist my fucking nipples hard, even when my dick is in their butt. I would never consider myself a bottom, or a power bottom. Similarly, there are people that love the physicality of receiving spankings and are able to reach orgasms this way, while not really interested in surrendering sexually to anyone. They just love the stinging heat radiating from their repeatedly slapped asscheeks. Or boobs. One of my exes just loved having her boobs manhandled quite brutally. She was not a sub, or a slave or any one on the BDSM spectrum and our relationship was not of a power exchange type. We just happened to share our joy of some perverted sex acts, without thinking about it too much. Which is the way it should be - sheer animalistic pleasure.

EDIT: Also, in relation to anal sex a power bottom would be an otherwise dominant gay man enjoying receiving anal sex. Bear in mind though that gay-specific power dynamics do don't translate easily to heterosexual relations. And this game is as straight as an arrow. You have a hypersexualized female protagonist facing throngs of sexually frustrated men. Certainly there are more cock worshipping themes there than you'd find at an ice-cream parlour in Castro, but apart from that Karryn is still a woman, or a male phantasm of a certain female ideal - a dirty, male-like sex-obsessed mind encased in a feminine body.

Given how the virginity and lubrication worked in this game I just suspended disbelief
Still, at this moment Karryn has to meet more requirements for pussy sex to happen than there are for rimming (100 mouth desire and presence of an aroused guard or rogue) and anal (85 cock desire, 100 butt desire and presence of aroused guard/ rogue/hobo/slime).

If receiving anal is a sign of submitting
It is not just a sign of submission. The receptive side needs to really accept a foreign body in an orifice that is only vaguely adapted to it. Relaxation, breathing control and use a lot of lube. I don't think even the most talented buttslut alive will just jump on a dick with her asspussy with next to no preparation.

how does a dom get their fill of anal sex?
By fucking a butt, not having their butt fucked? They could implement strapons, couldn't they? The Nerds run a shop in the Prison, I am sure they could source such toys no problem. And that would make a convincing dominatrix out of the Warden. Lv 13 Sadistic Karryn should be able to bend a lv 23 Thug over the bar and have him lube the thing with their own saliva or pre-cum before insertion... unless he prefers it the hard way.

Though I am not sure the game is intended for players who would fap to such graphic scenes. But I could always be wrong.
 
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I have a question, what are all or most masochistic liabilities and how to obtain them?
I know about "human urinal" and "red spank mask" but I don't know many more.
 

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In earlier stages of her slut development, there will be beer in the mug, topped up everytime she drinks. As her descent into depravity progresses, the bar patrons will switch to protein shakes without asking anyone's permission.
Is there a way (via script editing, maybe) to lock the game to just the beer mug and never have it switched over to protein?
 

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some time ago somebody posted a tweak to let karryn masturbate in peace during battle without being interrupted by those horny guys (basically reverting a fix rem spammed sometime ago)
but cannot find that post
any idea how to achieve that?
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Is there a way (via script editing, maybe) to lock the game to just the beer mug and never have it switched over to protein?
Yeah, but because the ejaculation is linked to it, you have to modify code on multiple locations. Make sure to back up your stuff- I don't have time to test it thoroughly - and report any bugs/crashes if they happen. I try to make the changes as minimal as possible even if the resulting code is incinerator-worthy. But the smaller the changes the less likely mistakes can happen.
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L4r90

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Maybe I'm late to the party, but I just today noticed that Steam blocked most NSFW games in Germany.

I usually get most of the games here to check out if they are worth playing and if I like a game or want to support the developer I then later buy it on Steam or itch.io

The Kagura games seem to be unaffected by this, but that might be related to the way they market their games with a almost 'SFW' version on steam and R18 patches offered exclusively on their site.
Remtairy also did a similar thing with Island Saga and Monster Girl Club Bifrost so far which is why I don't get why one game is still listed while the other isn't. I kinda get the Meltys Quest block since it came out uncut from the start.

Fortunately I already own all their released games on steam, so I'm able to download/ play them but is there any plan for future releases in place? Other than Island Saga, the other releases so far (Meltys Quest and Monster Girl Club Bifrost) won't be displayed and I plan on wishlisting/buying Karryns Prison once the full release is out.
 
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my game is almost completely broken.
if i do anything other then wait durring the bar scene my girl vanishes and when i drink the drink then it just says loading forever....i'm not sure what caused this but its pretty annoying.
 

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Maybe I'm late to the party, but I just today noticed that Steam blocked most NSFW games in Germany.

I usually get most of the games here to check out if they are worth playing and if I like a game or want to support the developer I then later buy it on Steam or itch.io

The Kagura games seem to be unaffected by this, but that might be related to the way they market their games with a almost 'SFW' version on steam and R18 patches offered exclusively on their site.
Remtairy also did a similar thing with Island Saga and Monster Girl Club Bifrost so far which is why I don't get why one game is still listed while the other isn't. I kinda get the Meltys Quest block since it came out uncut from the start.

Fortunately I already own all their released games on steam, so I'm able to download/ play them but is there any plan for future releases in place? Other than Island Saga, the other releases so far (Meltys Quest and Monster Girl Club Bifrost) won't be displayed and I plan on wishlisting/buying Karryns Prison once the full release is out.
 

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thanks for the reply and sorry if I wasn't clear
I didn't meant bed masturbation (in her room or at guard post) but during battle as been implemented in .7A and "fixed" in 0.7Af
  • Reversed the masturbation change, horny enemies can still have sex with Karryn while she is masturbating.
I'd like to revert this fix!
 
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