RPGM Katalist [v0.098.2] [Tearycian]

[d2dacameron]

where does this event trigger?

Wait until nighttime. Go to the front of the school where you first arrive and turn left, then go down the stairs in the bottom left corner. You should be able to find it.

 

[NwSColeh]

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I find the idea of Bonnie and Katja being different people hard to support to be honest, since the two started showing up in Dilan's life in tandem. Them being one and the same would also be the most straightforward way of explaining how Katja's essence ended up inside Dilan, as well as how her growing influence led to him grasping Frost magic in particular. Plus, Bonnie disappears after Verl came knocking, mirroring Katja's behavior. Regardless, Dilan clearly was unable to fully resist her takeover, and it'd probably progressed quite far even before Walter's intervention, if the cutscenes of Dilan's empty bed were anything to go by.

Ever since 0.098, it seems the 3 paths have converged and now show that despite the differences in scenes, they were all meant to produce the same conclusion: that Katja succeeds in commandeering Dilan's body, and something of Walter's gets taken into Dilan's being. Across the Own and Cold paths up to current events, different characters speak to Dilan and reveal varying hints, but no party truly exerts control over him, simply observing and commentating. After Verl's banishment, Nalid states that he has been working with Katja for a while now, going after Pearls with Dilan, implying little difference between the paths (or just Cold/Own at the very least).

I'm all for the theory that Katja has a shared history with Dilan (especially with the Cold path dreams in mind), but her presence only started manifesting after Bonnie's essence was harvested; what happened at Ayleen's was most likely Nalid's work. The yellow glow isn't limited to Katja, but the detail that most strongly links Nalid to the event is how he is the only one to hum the "familiar tune" Dilan heard during his first essence meditation at Noo's.

There is definently something off about the hotel itself in the first place. Its been built in a sketchy way. Like according to the news papers at sereneta's place its funding for the project has been backed by the queen of succubi herself. This means the place is a point of interest for one of the most powerful non deities we know. Margo is the first of her line to own a hotel. Margo's room is really off putting with the fact that you cant move past a certain door. Just like how it used to be with the principal aka some mind control compulsion stuff. Also Hum has a specific interest in the hotel and is under a watchfull eye by margo and her "butler" who according to Hum we might have encounterd already. (maby thats the identity of the "person". events) But yeah future updates will probably delve into this plot more.

Beyond the hotel, the Vanias seem suspicious overall. In one of Maven's informant's letters, it's suggested that either Gatastate or the Sentinel Tower is Vania property, potentially tying them to Noo and the Nihtlings.

Wasn't he the merchant that was there next to Guard Grog?

The very same, he happened to also be an Uprising agent in the main story.

 

[mockingjay00]

Is the new update mostly bugfix and small additions to the already existing content or is there anything new like quests events etc

 

[S3ri4l]

do we have the fixed version here?

 

[d2dacameron]

do we have the fixed version here?

Changelog got shared earlier today but not released yet here

New version is out.

Spoiler: 0.098.1

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[sleezyslimy]

how do you beat peng? used the shortcut to become level 96 but still hard losing

 

[Azulaisbae]

I find the idea of Bonnie and Katja being different people hard to support to be honest, since the two started showing up in Dilan's life in tandem. Them being one and the same would also be the most straightforward way of explaining how Katja's essence ended up inside Dilan, as well as how her growing influence led to him grasping Frost magic in particular. Plus, Bonnie disappears after Verl came knocking, mirroring Katja's behavior. Regardless, Dilan clearly was unable to fully resist her takeover, and it'd probably progressed quite far even before Walter's intervention, if the cutscenes of Dilan's empty bed were anything to go by.

Ever since 0.098, it seems the 3 paths have converged and now show that despite the differences in scenes, they were all meant to produce the same conclusion: that Katja succeeds in commandeering Dilan's body, and something of Walter's gets taken into Dilan's being. Across the Own and Cold paths up to current events, different characters speak to Dilan and reveal varying hints, but no party truly exerts control over him, simply observing and commentating. After Verl's banishment, Nalid states that he has been working with Katja for a while now, going after Pearls with Dilan, implying little difference between the paths (or just Cold/Own at the very least).

I'm all for the theory that Katja has a shared history with Dilan (especially with the Cold path dreams in mind), but her presence only started manifesting after Bonnie's essence was harvested; what happened at Ayleen's was most likely Nalid's work. The yellow glow isn't limited to Katja, but the detail that most strongly links Nalid to the event is how he is the only one to hum the "familiar tune" Dilan heard during his first essence meditation at Noo's.



Beyond the hotel, the Vanias seem suspicious overall. In one of Maven's informant's letters, it's suggested that either Gatastate or the Sentinel Tower is Vania property, potentially tying them to Noo and the Nihtlings.



The very same, he happened to also be an Uprising agent in the main story.

I did not catch the detail of Nalid humming the same tune at the Ayleen update and the Noo mediation scene. That bit of detail does make it so the story feels quite streamlined then. That can explain the influence of the Yellow glow in those events yeah. If the pre bonnie update is all Nalid that would make sense. I agree with your theory.

So if we can go off the clues that the Bonnie/Katja events started after Dilan ingested the essence from them then i am still confused about the personality difference between each path. Why does Bonnie behave so much different from Katja. Like the cold and the warm path feel like polar opposites in terms of the way each entity talks to Dilan. Even if we can think of them as different perspectives of the same events. Katja in the cold path is cruel while Bonnie lures you in with sweet talk. Why do you even get the option to be forced into killing ki in the cold path while in the warm path theres no mention of it at all. Its so odd that even her own essence has such varying personalities.

As for the Vania part. Yeah they are a sus bunch of people. I will try to look into them as a whole soon since i feel like there might be some more clues lying around.

Btw i love reading your theories since i spent wayyyy to much time on this game and theorising about it myself.

 

[Azulaisbae]

Another thing i have not seen people mention yet is this. What are the indentity of the beings in this image.

We know that the two small raincoat wearing characters are Dilan and Nalid but what is that behind them? Figments of the essence's that Dilan has collected? Since we know that dilan has been killing and absorbing pearls it wouldnt be that odd for those beings to be figments of their original form.


Another question i ask myself is what is Jason? This person gets refered to as Jason but is someone who we according to either Katja or Nalid should not interact with in the dreamscape IIRC. So who even is he? Might be a name to keep in the back of your mind for future updates. He reminds me of an older Dilan a bit.

 

[Azulaisbae]

how do you beat peng? used the shortcut to become level 96 but still hard losing

Recruit both Stone and Indeed to your party. Get yourself a strong weapon like the Axes you get from the 4th mine and install biting blue gravers on them from the demon merchant Mele. Then collect strong armor i went with retellian clothes and hat, Depthswork armor and gloves, old warmage shoes and mantle. The rest is just whatever strongest stuff u got.

Look on the wiki wich elemental resistances peng has . Get the magnetian heart and verdaenean roots skills. Also get the (blank)'s blessing for good measure since it allows you to not die for the first 6 turns

 

[DiddleKidPlusDiddler]

I find the idea of Bonnie and Katja being different people hard to support to be honest, since the two started showing up in Dilan's life in tandem. Them being one and the same would also be the most straightforward way of explaining how Katja's essence ended up inside Dilan, as well as how her growing influence led to him grasping Frost magic in particular. Plus, Bonnie disappears after Verl came knocking, mirroring Katja's behavior. Regardless, Dilan clearly was unable to fully resist her takeover, and it'd probably progressed quite far even before Walter's intervention, if the cutscenes of Dilan's empty bed were anything to go by.

Ever since 0.098, it seems the 3 paths have converged and now show that despite the differences in scenes, they were all meant to produce the same conclusion: that Katja succeeds in commandeering Dilan's body, and something of Walter's gets taken into Dilan's being. Across the Own and Cold paths up to current events, different characters speak to Dilan and reveal varying hints, but no party truly exerts control over him, simply observing and commentating. After Verl's banishment, Nalid states that he has been working with Katja for a while now, going after Pearls with Dilan, implying little difference between the paths (or just Cold/Own at the very least).

I'm all for the theory that Katja has a shared history with Dilan (especially with the Cold path dreams in mind), but her presence only started manifesting after Bonnie's essence was harvested; what happened at Ayleen's was most likely Nalid's work. The yellow glow isn't limited to Katja, but the detail that most strongly links Nalid to the event is how he is the only one to hum the "familiar tune" Dilan heard during his first essence meditation at Noo's.



Beyond the hotel, the Vanias seem suspicious overall. In one of Maven's informant's letters, it's suggested that either Gatastate or the Sentinel Tower is Vania property, potentially tying them to Noo and the Nihtlings.



The very same, he happened to also be an Uprising agent in the main story.

I feel like there's a connection between Margo and Deverou. When you go in her room, there's a constant tick tockof a clock.When you inspect the one at the back, Dilan says (or thinks?) about how he hears it but it isn't moving. And the fact that Deverou constantly says stuff like "Tick... Tock..." is what gives me that thought.

Another thing i have not seen people mention yet is this. What are the indentity of the beings in this image. View attachment 4939413

We know that the two small raincoat wearing characters are Dilan and Nalid but what is that behind them? Figments of the essence's that Dilan has collected? Since we know that dilan has been killing and absorbing pearls it wouldnt be that odd for those beings to be figments of their original form.


Another question i ask myself is what is Jason. This person gets refered to as Jason but is someone we according to either Katja or Nalid should not interact with in the dreamscape IIRC. So who even is he? Might be a name to keep in the back of your mind for future updates. He reminds me of an older Dilan a bit.

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I just zoomed in on that pic of "Jason", and noticed that he's got a mask on. There are straps going around the back that hold it in place. Hmmmst've...

 

[Azulaisbae]

I feel like there's a connection between Margo and Deverou. When you go in her room, there's a constant tick tockof a clock.When you inspect the one at the back, Dilan says (or thinks?) about how he hears it but it isn't moving. And the fact that Deverou constantly says stuff like "Tick... Tock..." is what gives me that thought.





I just zoomed in on that pic of "Jason", and noticed that he's got a mask on. There are straps going around the back that hold it in place. Hmmmst've...

His hair looks quite similar to Dilan while also wearing a funny mask yeah.

You might be onto something with the connection of Deverou and Margo. Both have a compulsion like power to prevent you from entering beyond a certain area and they also both have something to do with a ticking clock. Is Deverou a secret Vania???? (just kidding thats probably too far fetched)

 

[M4risa]

how do you beat peng? used the shortcut to become level 96 but still hard losing

If I'm not mistaken the demon merchant sells a drug that give you two actions in combat, I used that before the battle and was enough to beat her at level 46.

 

[M4risa]

I'm reading all these theories and now I see that the story is deeper than I thought and there are more secrets that I couldn't find.

 

[2341Name]

The thread comes and goes with waves of theorists and it's always fun to see new people get really into the story each time an update drops.

Shame that the updates take long enough that the older theorists die in the mean time lmao

Sure do hope to see the story complete one day.

 

[Zorecanes]

Another thing i have not seen people mention yet is this. What are the indentity of the beings in this image. View attachment 4939413

We know that the two small raincoat wearing characters are Dilan and Nalid but what is that behind them? Figments of the essence's that Dilan has collected? Since we know that dilan has been killing and absorbing pearls it wouldnt be that odd for those beings to be figments of their original form.


Another question i ask myself is what is Jason? This person gets refered to as Jason but is someone who we according to either Katja or Nalid should not interact with in the dreamscape IIRC. So who even is he? Might be a name to keep in the back of your mind for future updates. He reminds me of an older Dilan a bit.

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Those with red eyes could be Trent, walter and all ppl with red eyes ?

 

[NwSColeh]

I did not catch the detail of Nalid humming the same tune at the Ayleen update and the Noo mediation scene. That bit of detail does make it so the story feels quite streamlined then. That can explain the influence of the Yellow glow in those events yeah. If the pre bonnie update is all Nalid that would make sense. I agree with your theory.

So if we can go off the clues that the Bonnie/Katja events started after Dilan ingested the essence from them then i am still confused about the personality difference between each path. Why does Bonnie behave so much different from Katja. Like the cold and the warm path feel like polar opposites in terms of the way each entity talks to Dilan. Even if we can think of them as different perspectives of the same events. Katja in the cold path is cruel while Bonnie lures you in with sweet talk. Why do you even get the option to be forced into killing ki in the cold path while in the warm path theres no mention of it at all. Its so odd that even her own essence has such varying personalities.

As for the Vania part. Yeah they are a sus bunch of people. I will try to look into them as a whole soon since i feel like there might be some more clues lying around.

Btw i love reading your theories since i spent wayyyy to much time on this game and theorising about it myself.

We shall continue piling on the theories my friend <3

See, the paths may represent an illusion of choice for Dilan, where the end result and entity he interacts with are constant across the routes. What he "chooses" is likely just what he wants to see most, such as Bonnie's sweet talk/domming providing him a sense of warmth he longs for, and being content with Katja's vague indifference in his own aloof coldness. It's a bit of a wonder that, like you said, a singular person could take on such varying aspects, but that may tie into an agglomerate's nature, as well as Bonnie's potentially long lifespan (judging by her wartime activities).

I did manage to keep Ki alive in the Cold path though, so it feels like Dilan having to push past the same mental resistance worded differently in each scenario

Another thing i have not seen people mention yet is this. What are the indentity of the beings in this image. View attachment 4939413

We know that the two small raincoat wearing characters are Dilan and Nalid but what is that behind them? Figments of the essence's that Dilan has collected? Since we know that dilan has been killing and absorbing pearls it wouldnt be that odd for those beings to be figments of their original form.


Another question i ask myself is what is Jason? This person gets refered to as Jason but is someone who we according to either Katja or Nalid should not interact with in the dreamscape IIRC. So who even is he? Might be a name to keep in the back of your mind for future updates. He reminds me of an older Dilan a bit.

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That's probably exactly it, I can't get Jason's deal but the rest have got to be Pearls (or some of them). Between the red eyes and Alex showing up right when a Failed Pearl was being absorbed, this is probably our first look at how populated Dilan has become, echoing what Nalid said about how "so many are here now."

Also you may joke, but Deverou being a Vania could be the missing link connecting the family to Gatastate. It'd be somewhat random for the Vanias to simply happen to own property we frequent in the Ugly Chloa, but if Deverou were the master of the place, that explains a lot, and has further implications of Niht's reach across the realms.

 

[2341Name]

I'm not smart enough for the more esoteric theories on Dilan's past (dude has like three different gravestones, he's got 17 different chicks in his head and I can't figure out what the fuck Person is talking about, I'm not built for this) or Nihtling biology, but a few smaller details I noticed this update and that I thought were fun to piece together

Spoiler: misc stuff

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[Kraverin]

how do you beat peng? used the shortcut to become level 96 but still hard losing

I think Energy Inversion reverses her buff but i'm not sure

 

[Kraverin]

Otherwise you can hit anyone with the UNHOLY cheese of:
Viridian Root ->
Energy Coalescence ->
Magentian Lullaby ->
Bleed Sin


And then just wait for them to reach 1 HP, then you land the finishing blow

 

[yehimiro]

Another thing i have not seen people mention yet is this. What are the indentity of the beings in this image. View attachment 4939413

We know that the two small raincoat wearing characters are Dilan and Nalid but what is that behind them? Figments of the essence's that Dilan has collected? Since we know that dilan has been killing and absorbing pearls it wouldnt be that odd for those beings to be figments of their original form.


Another question i ask myself is what is Jason? This person gets refered to as Jason but is someone who we according to either Katja or Nalid should not interact with in the dreamscape IIRC. So who even is he? Might be a name to keep in the back of your mind for future updates. He reminds me of an older Dilan a bit.

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i opened verl's image folder and it contained one of the little kid's image