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I'm surprised you could tell which promo picture I removed!
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3diddly posted 2 more messages on his patreon:
"Hi guys,
Patreon has not gotten back to me about what I needed to do, so I took steps to preemptively clean up my page. The following points will take into effect in the next update.
- All content that is disallowed is now removed from the game. I'm sorry for past promises I cannot keep due to the new regulations.
- Katie can now have optional relations with her step father.
- The manipulation route has always been consensual, because Katie accepts responsibility for all her actions. She can always refuse advances. This has not changed. I removed all "blackmail" text in the choice boxes and replaced it with "accept" or "accept reluctantly", so that there is no ambiguity whether Katie accepts the advances or not.
I will resume my normal release schedule this weekend. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Edit: I have received many comments on how I don't have to change the actual content, just the page. I think this is a short term fix. It's like having a page that sells illegal items and not mentioning the items themselves, but provide ways of buying them. If Patreon decides to loosen their grip on rules, I will consider reinstating past plans.
Edit 2: People have also mentioned starting a new site. I will not be doing this, as I have no experience in being a webmaster and do not plan to be one.
Edit 3: A lot of people have been telling me other creators didn't have to change their content, just their page. There is no telling if or when Patreon will decide to be more severe with their rule implementation. I'm changing my content now to conform to their rules."
My comments: I know patreon is a private site and it's up to them to set the rules, a creator may accept them or not. However, not exactly defining what they don't allow and leaving the creators (and patrons) behind with it means creators would start censoring their own creations or only publish content they think would probably conform to their rules. Though I understand 3diddly's decision I think it's time to leave patreon behind.
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- May 10, 2017
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Shouldn't you open a thread on LoversLab (or another site) with a public beta and link it from your Patreon?
i mean, the public beta is advertisement...
Or you could build a short non nude Demo....
Well, there seems to be a whole range of folks being blamed for the latest Patreon purge, from the Trump-voting U.S. religious right to PC socialists on the other end of the political spectrum & now it's Paypal in the frame. Perhaps it's all or none of the above, or could it just actually be some decision maker at Patreon? Sometimes the simplest explanation is true.
Whatever & whoever, it's happened & has the potential to ruin the game, though I'm at least encouraged that the Dev is going to carry on.
I can only say that I never thought bestiality belonged in the game & I'm glad that Katie will now be propositioned by her Step-father, not her biological Dad. (I might even try this route myself now). There are others who will not be pleased with these changes, I know, but if it's a matter of survival....
Unfortunately, we all have to play what effectively sound like 2 corruption paths now, encompassing a ready, willing & able Katie who runs not walks into the role of slut, (i.e. the current corruption stream), or, a more reluctant but still voluntary protagonist, who exercises free will to make what may be the wrong choices.
Now I come from the part of the world where the word blackmail was invented, (long story). It is more complex than it first appears but there is both choice & compulsion in it. It is not necessarily a sexual taboo subject but in this game it has been used to coerce a woman to engage in sexual acts, that she probably would not have chosen to do. So I suppose that's enough to make it a red flag for the latter-day Puritans.
Until we get our screens alight with V1.12 we won't know how badly it's absence will alter the "manipulation" path, or whether this should be re-titled as the "somewhat reluctant" path. Either way, I resent the purge & hope after a while more normal service can be resumed, as the Dev seems to hint at but let's wait & see for now.
Whatever & whoever, it's happened & has the potential to ruin the game, though I'm at least encouraged that the Dev is going to carry on.
I can only say that I never thought bestiality belonged in the game & I'm glad that Katie will now be propositioned by her Step-father, not her biological Dad. (I might even try this route myself now). There are others who will not be pleased with these changes, I know, but if it's a matter of survival....
Unfortunately, we all have to play what effectively sound like 2 corruption paths now, encompassing a ready, willing & able Katie who runs not walks into the role of slut, (i.e. the current corruption stream), or, a more reluctant but still voluntary protagonist, who exercises free will to make what may be the wrong choices.
Now I come from the part of the world where the word blackmail was invented, (long story). It is more complex than it first appears but there is both choice & compulsion in it. It is not necessarily a sexual taboo subject but in this game it has been used to coerce a woman to engage in sexual acts, that she probably would not have chosen to do. So I suppose that's enough to make it a red flag for the latter-day Puritans.
Until we get our screens alight with V1.12 we won't know how badly it's absence will alter the "manipulation" path, or whether this should be re-titled as the "somewhat reluctant" path. Either way, I resent the purge & hope after a while more normal service can be resumed, as the Dev seems to hint at but let's wait & see for now.
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I totally agree with you, changing Katie's dad to his step-father would make me play that path. And like you said, beastiality does not make any sense in the game, it was only there to fish more patrons.
On the other hand 3Diddly got hit hard (again) because of those changes; some of his patrons are protesting. At the previous months he made changes to ntr and body mods that some people didn't like and now those patreon-forced changes happened. I hope he can continue making the game.
1.12 is out by the way.
Thanks for that. 3Diddly not only got hit by changes of patreon policy (likely due to fundamentalists as ancienregimele wrote) and was forced to rewrite his game but unfortunately the number of patrons that had been slowly rising during the past weeks sharply declined within a few hours. I hope that he doesn't loose his devotion to continue with more stories of his 'world', maybe another site can be found that doesn't censor artwork and change the rules as they think a minority of fundamentalists would be happy with.
- Aug 22, 2017
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So incest and bestiality content are cut. I completely understand why he has rewritten his game but it is still sad news to me.
I always had this fantasy where a pregnant Katie gets fucked by the dog while her dad and Mr. Wright are watching them, drinking scotch and making a list of people who could be the potential father of the baby.
I always had this fantasy where a pregnant Katie gets fucked by the dog while her dad and Mr. Wright are watching them, drinking scotch and making a list of people who could be the potential father of the baby.
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Incest content is not cut, he changed Katie's father to be his step-father and the content is still there. Beastiality which only has one small scene until now is gone. I think the tension between a step-father and his step-daughter is very sexy, that can result bringing good scenes. Imagine that Katie tries to be better than her mother at the bed or his step-father make her wear her mom's underwear and then have sex with her. I think both incest lovers and incest haters will enjoy those scenes, that will be more content for everybody.So incest and bestiality content are cut. I completely understand why he has rewritten his game but it is still sad news to me.
I always had this fantasy where a pregnant Katie gets fucked by the dog while her dad and Mr. Wright are watching them, drinking scotch and making a list of people who could be the potential father of the baby.
Oh, and i'll increase my support to 3Diddly, Da Vinci could never completed Mona Lisa if his patrons listened to the critics
- Aug 8, 2017
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I can live with the change from Dad to stepdad and bestiality was not really there.
But I think it is bullshit he cut out the word 'blackmail'. It is still a choice whether you allow yourself to be blackmailed or face the consequences of your actions.
Katie cheated on Brian with Brandon. She can come clean to her fiance or be blackmailed, which she knew upfront will include having sex with him.
Just look in the news for Mathieu Valbuena. He choose not be blackmailed and went to the police.
But I think it is bullshit he cut out the word 'blackmail'. It is still a choice whether you allow yourself to be blackmailed or face the consequences of your actions.
Katie cheated on Brian with Brandon. She can come clean to her fiance or be blackmailed, which she knew upfront will include having sex with him.
Just look in the news for Mathieu Valbuena. He choose not be blackmailed and went to the police.
- Aug 22, 2017
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OK, so the content formerly known as incest is not cut but re-branded.Incest content is not cut, he changed Katie's father to be his step-father and the content is still there. Beastiality which only has one small scene until now is gone. I think the tension between a step-father and his step-daughter is very sexy, that can result bringing good scenes. Imagine that Katie tries to be better than her mother at the bed or his step-father make her wear her mom's underwear and then have sex with her. I think both incest lovers and incest haters will enjoy those scenes, that will be more content for everybody.
Oh, and i'll increase my support to 3Diddly, Da Vinci could never completed Mona Lisa if his patrons listened to the critics
Still there is no longer any incest in the game and I was also looking forward to more bestiality content. I really like these taboo themes in games. The current scenes with her 'step-father' just won't have the same impact. Maybe you can understand why I'm a bit sad.Too bad no more incest and bestiality ... well now KC is more vanilla (no "extrem" fetish except a little bit of BDSM).
I never understood why incest and bestiality had to be included in Katie's. Her 'father' could well have been her step-father, her sugar daddy, or a person who cared for her mother without being married to her for whatever reason. However, it would be funny to see stories like Big Brother would be re-written to conform with patreon rules.Incest content is not cut, he changed Katie's father to be his step-father and the content is still there. Beastiality which only has one small scene until now is gone. I think the tension between a step-father and his step-daughter is very sexy, that can result bringing good scenes. Imagine that Katie tries to be better than her mother at the bed or his step-father make her wear her mom's underwear and then have sex with her. I think both incest lovers and incest haters will enjoy those scenes, that will be more content for everybody.
Oh, and i'll increase my support to 3Diddly, Da Vinci could never completed Mona Lisa if his patrons listened to the critics
- Aug 8, 2017
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Yeah, he could have been her stepdad from the beginning but she might still be calling him dad depending on what age he came in her life, how much contact she had with her biological dad and all.
Or maybe her mom cheated on him and got pregnant resulting in Katie but never told anyone. I just googled it but apparently it is a myth that 1 of 10 children is raised by a cuckolded father. It is closer to 1% and has been so throughout history.
3Diddly should just add one extra dialogue in the style of:
I can't believe I just had sex with my dad, well actually my stepdad but I have known him all my life and consider him my dad so in my mind I still consider it incest.
Did he violate the new patron rules or not?penedeyewink:
Or maybe her mom cheated on him and got pregnant resulting in Katie but never told anyone. I just googled it but apparently it is a myth that 1 of 10 children is raised by a cuckolded father. It is closer to 1% and has been so throughout history.
3Diddly should just add one extra dialogue in the style of:
I can't believe I just had sex with my dad, well actually my stepdad but I have known him all my life and consider him my dad so in my mind I still consider it incest.
Did he violate the new patron rules or not?
penedeyewink:I'm not sure they have enough staff to check all this. Possibly all they do is just check the frontpages so they can argue all their stuff is legal. However, I agree with 3diddly when he argues things could change from day to day so let's see what still happens.
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so they have a list of people who they pulled already, and adding to it... they can occasionally take a look at the games or deny them access to their patreon if they don't do as they ask. I too think taking it day by day but I can understand @3Diddly's caution.
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V 1.12 changelog;
"Katie will have a sexy dream if she drinks! This will be a lesbian scene with Vera.
There is also an option scene with Katie's step father.
At the end of the update, you can decide what ultimately happens to Katie and Brian as a couple. If you can accumulate enough manipulation points, Brian will break up with Katie!
Scenes added:
- 5 total
- 2 per route (manipulation/corruption) for the dean
- 2 per route (manipulation/corruption) for the step father
- 1 dream scene (drug points)"
"Katie will have a sexy dream if she drinks! This will be a lesbian scene with Vera.
There is also an option scene with Katie's step father.
At the end of the update, you can decide what ultimately happens to Katie and Brian as a couple. If you can accumulate enough manipulation points, Brian will break up with Katie!
Scenes added:
- 5 total
- 2 per route (manipulation/corruption) for the dean
- 2 per route (manipulation/corruption) for the step father
- 1 dream scene (drug points)"
Seems a lot is going on there. Initially I wanted to add to my post: Having done so they might have a closer look at games and comics which still look suspicious. Again, I think Patreon won't clearly point out what they accept or not, they will do it "on our own discretion" and that's what I classify as censorship.
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