Others Kincaid [2023.12] [Cookiedraggy]

[Catnatic]

You just described the way it is now, except we're the one doing the raping. If rape really put you off you'd hate the new mechanic just as much. Seriously whats the difference between they beat you and have sex and you beat them and have sex in your mind?

Kincaid was just as into it in the old version. Though it seems you never played the old versions, considering the text that accompanied the CGs made it clear she was only holding back solely because of her mission.

That's the thing, there wasn't even any rape in pre-2022.06 builds as Kincaid was more so submissive and the sex scenes were simply her giving in to her lust over her mission.
These sprite animations have always show her enjoying it rather than being uncomfortable.

Anyone who has a problem with how the mechanic was "rapey" is really complaining over nothing when it wasn't ever depicted as such, but even if it was, then the only difference now is that Kincaid is the rapist so wouldn't that be just as problematic also? When people say they want "rape" back, they mean to say they want submissive Kincaid back.

 

[J55555]

You just described the way it is now, except we're the one doing the raping. If rape really put you off you'd hate the new mechanic just as much. Seriously whats the difference between they beat you and have sex and you beat them and have sex in your mind?

Kincaid was just as into it in the old version. Though it seems you never played the old versions, considering the text that accompanied the CGs made it clear she was only holding back solely because of her mission.

Yeah, the original, basic character background was along the lines of, "Kincaid is horny but also enjoys her career as an intergalactic archaeologist. So she can have a little sex, but should probably get going with her mission at some point." This characterization works with both versions, as I don't think it was ever mentioned that she has a preference between sub or dom.

I would also like to remind everyone that neither mechanic was ever meant to be rapey. Yes, the old mechanic happens to do more for RoR fans, but the developers have always done everything in their power to emphasize consensual actions. In a very early version of the game, Kincaid had a surprised Pikachu face at the start of the kobold scene; the implications of which fell under the textbook definition of rape, so that was changed pretty quickly (noticeably immediately after people started calling it rape on this very site).

And if you were to argue semantics, even in the new "intimacy intro" Kincaid commits indecent exposure when she flashes the kobold, but damn it if we keep arguing this the next update will feature an animation of Kincaid handing the downed enemy a consent form to sign.

Nonetheless, joeys88 brings up a good point that the roles in the "intimacy intro" could be reversed and the end result would still be the same. I think it's useless to argue who's ideal porn game is better while ignoring that everyone could be satisfied with a switch toggle between enemy grappling and player initiation.

 

[BananaCustardCup]

You just described the way it is now, except we're the one doing the raping. If rape really put you off you'd hate the new mechanic just as much. Seriously whats the difference between they beat you and have sex and you beat them and have sex in your mind?

Kincaid was just as into it in the old version. Though it seems you never played the old versions, considering the text that accompanied the CGs made it clear she was only holding back solely because of her mission.

She flashes her tits, offers sex and then said enemy bends her over and fucks her, and that’s her raping them? What?

I clearly have played the old versions, because I knew how it worked back then… And I don’t care so much the order of the sex, I just said this way round makes more sense from a gameplay perspective as it’s not random mid-combat sex scene anymore, didn’t you read?

I’m not saying the game was rapey before or now, what I’m actually commenting on is the masses of people through this thread saying the small change “ruined the tone of the game” and “bring back rape” is creepy as hell.

We are not getting new cgs, not even bad ends, oh the woe and sadness that surround these changes do nothing but blight my heart, rest in peace kincaid, your old versions shall be the legacy that persists, a memory of a good game

Latest update literally added a CG Lul

 

[doingoodthanks]

Latest update literally added a CG Lul

Obviously the complaint was about CG involving submissive Kincaid though.
My personal taste is more to submissivness as it was, but I understand the change (taste of dev, gameplay design and possibly Patreon regulation). In the end the dev has the last word about that since it is their work.
Maybe I'm a fence sitter or that's already been answered: A simple toggle for that is out of the question?

 

[joeys88]

I clearly have played the old versions, because I knew how it worked back then… And I don’t care so much the order of the sex, I just said this way round makes more sense from a gameplay perspective as it’s not random mid-combat sex scene anymore, didn’t you read?

And yet you left out the CG stories and acted like they didn't exist?

the "story telling" you're on about just seems to be "I wanna see this girl get raped"

As if they weren't part of Kincaid's character and who she is. Press button to have sex isn't any more interesting a mechanic imo than don't press button to have sex. Both interrupt gameplay, and for a porn game the integration into the gameplay is usually equally or more important than the gameplay itself. There are a plethora of platformer games that kincaid is not going to be able to compete with and the adult action game struggle system is common for a good reason. People like to play against the temptation to lose. People liked the character integration of kincaid easily falling to lust and giving up on her job. Now its the equivalent of playing one of those match 3 games to get a nude picture at the end when you could've just played bejeweled and browsed r34 after. The sexual situation has changed. For some people, seeing the sex animation or cg is all they care about, but for a lot of other people its also the setting and lead up, and that part got removed.

Just getting annoyed at people calling what the game had rape and disparaging people for it as if its any different from what we have now. Given what we know of Kincaid, neither one seems out of place.

what I’m actually commenting on is the masses of people through this thread saying the small change “ruined the tone of the game” and “bring back rape” is creepy as hell.

Cause people aren't great at explaining what they miss about it. And its not rape, its the corruption. Its the giving in to her sexual desires that got removed. Her going from doing her job to thinking its probably not too bad if she spends the day banging the locals instead of working. Regardless of the reason though, you're on a porn site calling one of the most popular fetishes of both men and women creepy.

 

[Stuffie]

 

[xipeho]

I'm glad that break out of it mechanic is gone, along with the (otherwise pointless) stun. I don't like the animations feeling like punishment, skipping through something that should be hot because you just want to play the game sucks. I want to enjoy both, the game's mechanics and the animations. I also find the intros cute and am glad that they decided to do something that isn't the norm for action-y games with sex in them.

That said, the current build is too easy for me, but that's to be expected when the levels and mechanics aren't done.

 

[Porn_Jesus]

I'm glad that break out of it mechanic is gone, along with the (otherwise pointless) stun. I don't like the animations feeling like punishment, skipping through something that should be hot because you just want to play the game sucks. I want to enjoy both, the game's mechanics and the animations. I also find the intros cute and am glad that they decided to do something that isn't the norm for action-y games with sex in them.

That said, the current build is too easy for me, but that's to be expected when the levels and mechanics aren't done.

That's a main reason why the system was changed. The breaking free mechanic interrupted the gameplay (with a bit of bad luck you could even fall down somewhere when it happened on the edge of a platform, being forced to either die or repeat what you did before to get back) and was considered bad for the overall experience.

It's so sad to see that getting raped as the PC is more important than having a good time with a above decent platforming game. Maybe some people should not play the game at all and wait for a full save and hug the gallery instead.

Or even better... quiet bitching and move on to find a better game.

 

[Christin Eleven]

I dunno about you but playing as a rapist is a mayor let and turn down to me!

I would rather play a (mostly) innocent Protagonist that gets (involuntarily) forced into sex instead of a hypocrite pretending to be the hero while raping people left and right . . .

 

[Astrolucidity]

OK, seeing all of this spiel still going on...

chat, I am about as sad with the '"''"""struggle""''""' mechanic being gone as the last guy, but like, game was good and is getting even better.

Yes, it's a drastic change and yes, this isn't what people expected to happen - but it's what happened. I agree that the stun thing and submissive Kincaid could be a toggle (I would love that a lot actually - still, not my point, it's not an integral game mechanic and can be added when everything is finished and polished) but are you really going to yell at the devs for tweaking the game to be more enjoyable to an (arguably) wider audience? C'mon. It's been a few updates since the shift. You'd think we'd come to terms with it by now.

I could voice my -personal- gripes with "well if it's 'defeat enemy for fun times' then what's the difference between an execution animation and a lewd animation, this isn't integrated into the gameplay as good as it could be, i want struggle mechanics or a minigame or something!!!!",

yet at the core this is still a very fun game with a lot of heart put into it. Please let the devs do as they will with their project. They probably listen to feedback, and seeing all of this is likely disheartening.

 

[Christin Eleven]

I wouldn´t really say it´s getting better . . .

And no offense but if this is disheartening for them then good!
They had the chance to create a Game with good mechanics for a Hentai Game!
But they chose to make it worse!

The reason people are still not over it is because it IS a bad decision after all!
And time won´t change that!

Critic is often required for improvement! And as we can see they are getting critizised, for a reason!
It´s their Game and it´s up to them if they wish to listen to their fans or if they don´t care about that!

But I can guarantee you: If they leave it as is the Game will be MUCH less popular and sucessfull than what it could have been!

Best example, just look at all the succesfull Hentai Games out there: 90% of all (good) Hentai Games are with a Protagonist that gets raped and VERY few Hentai Games are about a rapist protagonist!
And such games are usually not very succesfull to begin with! (with one of the VERY few exceptions being Rance Quest)

There are several good reasons for that after all!


Like I said, ultimately it´s their Game and it´s up to them how they decide to make their Game!
They could do what´s popular or they could do what they personally want!


Honestly, instead of straight out removing the entire thing they could have been creative about it!

I´ve seen SEVERAL Hentai Game developers that offered the option to turn off Porn in their Games in the options or even two separate Versions with one being with and the other being without Hentai!


Unfortunatelly it seems Kincaid is doing the same mistake that I´ve seen with quite some Hentai Game developers: They forget that a Hentai Game is STILL at it´s core a PORN Game!

I´ve seen too many Game developers try to balance both: "Good Gameplay and Good Porn" just to ultimately end up screwing up their Game because they give their Gameplay too much importance and then end up neglecting the Porn, which, again, is the core of a Good Hentai Game!

Even WORSE are Hentai Game Developers that wanted to give their players a "challenge" and made their Games very (too) hard which ends up ruining the whole Game by Gatekeeping the Porn behind too much effort . . .

(one of the main reasons most people on f95zone straight out refuse to play the Game and straight out ask for a full save with completed Gallerie instead)

Just look at all the sucesfull Hentai Games with good Gameplay: Their Gameplay is usually quite simple but fun rather than overly complex and difficult!

At the end of the day people don´t look for a Hentai Game to have good Gameplay, all they want is a good FAP!
If the Gameplay is great too, all the better!
But the most important part will always be the porn!

(I would say the Ratio of effort invested should be 60/40)
(Porn 60% / Gameplay 40%)

 

[xipeho]

I dunno about you but playing as a rapist is a mayor let and turn down to me!

I would rather play a (mostly) innocent Protagonist that gets (involuntarily) forced into sex instead of a hypocrite pretending to be the hero while raping people left and right . . .

Are you playing something else? Because that isn't rape in any way.


And then he takes her from behind, obviously enjoying it immensely while she lets him take the lead. No coercion, no threats, nothing. Is it realistic? Of course not. Is it consensual? Yes, what else would it be.

 

[J55555]

I dunno about you but playing as a rapist is a mayor let and turn down to me!

I would rather play a (mostly) innocent Protagonist that gets (involuntarily) forced into sex instead of a hypocrite pretending to be the hero while raping people left and right . . .

You know, I had been holding out hope that at some point, maybe even after the game is finished, the grappling mechanic would be added back as a toggle or something...

But I'm sure that after the devs read comments like these, there's zero chance of that ever happening.

 

[Christin Eleven]

Are you playing something else? Because that isn't rape in any way.

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And then he takes her from behind, obviously enjoying it immensely while she lets him take the lead. No coercion, no threats, nothing. Is it realistic? Of course not. Is it consensual? Yes, what else would it be.

That´s not an enemy Character: The enemies you fight, if they get beaten you can rape them!

 

[Christin Eleven]

You know, I had been holding out hope that at some point, maybe even after the game is finished, the grappling mechanic would be added back as a toggle or something...

But I'm sure that after the devs read comments like these, there's zero chance of that ever happening.

I´m pretty sure critizising them for removing the mechanic holds a bigger chance than telling them "good Job, keep it going!"

 

[xipeho]

That´s not an enemy Character: The enemies you fight, if they get beaten you can rape them!

That's a kobold with red cloth, they are hostile and will poke you with spears, throws things and so on. They lie on the ground, defeated, after three hits. Those screenshots are literally of the first enemy you encounter in the game, after pressing the intimacy button while standing next to him.

There's also the tigers, she asks them if they are up for some more pouncing... but this time without claws. The tiger then gets on top of her and licks he face rather enthusiastically. Or the wolf boss: Wanna howl at the moon together? The polar bear: Try slamming this for a change?

Again, are you playing something else? Or did you switch off the "Inimacy Intros" option in the game's settings?

 

[limesseur]

I´m pretty sure critizising them for removing the mechanic holds a bigger chance than telling them "good Job, keep it going!"

The devs are not going to listen to you, and they have made their decision well known and are standing by it. At this point, if they were to actually add a toggle, who says they still have the old code to make it work? They might have thrown out the code since they had no more plans of using the stun and struggle mechanic.

There's also their plans to have it on Steam, if I remember right. Steam does allow porn games, but similar to Patreon it has rules on what content can be there. Then there is the fact that having it available on Steam would mean an even wider audience. Not to mention that most of the porn is optional now, allowing the game to be played as a game instead of an animations viewer with a metroidvania game underneath.

Also, they ran a poll asking their supporters about the change in the mechanic, and the bigger majority said they like the new way of starting sex, so the devs are going to go with that. The feedback the devs listen to the most from this site that is pirating their game is reports about bugs and glitches, and rarely taking a suggestion of a feature or something else, and definitely not a loud few that are demanding rape be shoveled back into the game.

There is also no rape happening if you beat an enemy and then initiate sex with them, as xipeho pointed out.

 

[Christin Eleven]

The devs are not going to listen to you, and they have made their decision well known and are standing by it. At this point, if they were to actually add a toggle, who says they still have the old code to make it work? They might have thrown out the code since they had no more plans of using the stun and struggle mechanic.

There's also their plans to have it on Steam, if I remember right. Steam does allow porn games, but similar to Patreon it has rules on what content can be there. Then there is the fact that having it available on Steam would mean an even wider audience. Not to mention that most of the porn is optional now, allowing the game to be played as a game instead of an animations viewer with a metroidvania game underneath.

Also, they ran a poll asking their supporters about the change in the mechanic, and the bigger majority said they like the new way of starting sex, so the devs are going to go with that. The feedback the devs listen to the most from this site that is pirating their game is reports about bugs and glitches, and rarely taking a suggestion of a feature or something else, and definitely not a loud few that are demanding rape be shoveled back into the game.

There is also no rape happening if you beat an enemy and then initiate sex with them, as xipeho pointed out.

Still not gonna help this Game get better, consensual sounds nice but is also not as popular in the Hentai world as raped protagonist!

That´s simply how it is!

 

[xipeho]

Still not gonna help this Game get better, consensual sounds nice but is also not as popular in the Hentai world as raped protagonist!

Furry stuff is also not as popular "in the Hentai world" as humans and elves. So they better pivot and make elf rape simulator #4085.

 

[Christin Eleven]

Furry stuff is also not as popular "in the Hentai world" as humans and elves. So they better pivot and make elf rape simulator #4085.

Elves and Ork´s aren´t actually that popular either . . . (still more popular than Furry tho) However THat´s not because of the Elves or Ork´s themselves but because most Elves Vs. Ork´s Hentai Games are extremely uncreative and Monotone