ViviX12

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NGL, even though the combat in the demos were pretty cool, I like sex/fetish sandbox/simulators better anyway and I like the change.
Might be a hot take, but despite lewd games and regular games being two sides of the same coin, I get kinda iffy about games trying to "land on the edge" and do both at once.

The best takes on lewd games (IMO) are either:
A: making a solid, full-on game and keep it SFW enough that you can basically play them publicly and only just get a couple weird glances (Atlyss, plus some of those really boobalicious anime games and gachas), or-
B: dropping all pretenses about making a "game" that it's basically just NSFW top to bottom, just there to fap to, and any gameplay is simply there to pad the time out a bit to pretend the game's a "game" without committing to it, or simply to get you to the next NSFW scene.

Some people say Tribal Hunter falls in the middle, but that's immediately a porn game. Despite what people say, it's just mostly fetishes that "normal" people don't think of as fetishes (inflation, vore, WG), and biggest of all being that it doesn't contain any fetishes that Youtube complains about, which means streamers got to play it going "heehee, I'm playing THAT game, look how big he's getting! [joke about big chungus]"
Another trap that a lot of "porn game that's a REAL game too" games have is that the devs tend to forget that people are there to fap, not to minmax stats for half an hour, respec and test out a glass cannon build so they can hopefully take out G'sniax, The Destroyer and his army of skeletons, they're there to bang the princess that G'sniax is guarding. If there's any cutscenes, they're getting skipped unless there's some naked chick there too.

If a player has 1 hour of free time to play lewd games privately before bed/work/whatever, and the epic battle lasts for 2 hours, they'll just leave disappointed, never able to fap. (I mean, if the skeletons are all busty as hell and get added to your harem as you kill them, then maybe...)
Or like, the player's edging as he enters the princess's tower, only to find one of his old party members standing over her torn corpse with a knife stolen from the MC in the last chapter, doing so to frame the main character because of some old blood feud as the game switches to a long cutscene about that party's backstory, and about the current plan to use the princess's death as a catalyst to turn the whole nation into a heaping wreck of wars and famine, all while the player's got a deflated dick in his hand and the main character goes into a depressive episode, the next half-hour of the game spent with him haunted by what could've been, what could've stopped that party member, who set him up, why him?

Like, man, I complain about it a lot, but BE Witches does this shit hard. It's a game all about breast expansion, but you get one tiny scene at the beginning of the game going from like flat to an A cup, then you get not one single lewd scene for like 4-6 hours, barely even any tiddy monster characters, and the plot has your mentor die from a spooky horror monster thing, you get thrown in jail, you meet someone with amnesia, you escape death several times, etc. Even then, the implementation of "breast expansion" in the game called "BE Witches" is just some one-off upgrades you get by finding optional collectables, and it's just swapping their image to the next size, rather than really being anything about "expansion" like you'd expect. Might as well call it "Busty Witches" or something, with how little you get to actually watch boobs expand.
What's funny is that even though the dev puts in most of their effort in the gameplay, it gets repetitive fast, so after like 5 hours of this, I was skipping puzzles and avoiding fights just to get to the lewd content faster and never got any. Didn't care about the plot, didn't care about the characters, didn't care about the death, hated the boss fights.
Doubly funny is that the dev didn't even seem to notice or care about the lack of lewd content until I pointed out that having 1 tiny BE scene within the Steam return window for a game about breast expansion is a stupid idea and a quick way to get a lot of refunds.
Brainrotted takes. If you want a quick fap, then why are you booting up a game? Saying that there's no point in gameplay is like saying there's no point in comics or hentai with story.
Criticism of games that don't do nearly enough of the porn part is valid. But there's not much point in a glorified gallery either. Balancing gameplay and porn is hard, but getting it right gets you a great experience. If gameplay is also just a filler between sex scenes, then it's not done right. Having enjoyable gameplay tied to involving the scenes should be the goal. Another thing is when rather than just being a reward for playing well, sex is gameplay, which is one of the best ways for a porn game to be, and completely removes any argument of game with sex tacked on or scenes with minigames in between. What comes to mind for that is things like Factorial Omega and some molestation games. In short, sex should be mechanically tied to gameplay imo. But most devs either make shovelware minigames for a glorified scene collector or a good enough game with porn sprinkled in for interestest. For the latter I'm really annoyed how standard loss-h is, with how it creates a goal directly opposite to the gameplay and artificially lenghtens the whole thing.
I went on a rant and now I remembered a thing to say in the context. There's a lot of porn with some game in, there's a lot of games with porn in, but there's few actual porn games.
 

babblefonk

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I don't really have much of anything to say until we see a first draft build of the new game direction. Sounds like a neat concept, and if you can bust out the same quality as Hole Dweller, why not? Try something different, see what sticks.
 

ThighHighGames

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Not a fan of the maid stuff, I think you'd be better off just making Hole Dweller but 3D if you want to downscale. Sticking to your roots would help allot since you wont need to focus on inventing a new story, then later on you'd be able to reuse the same Code/Animations for more ambitious projects... But a cleaning game, that just feels like too much of a different direction for the audience you've built so far.

Don't force your players into submissive roles, it's wack yo.:cool:
The levels of submission will be on the same tier as a plumber cleaning up the pipes on a womans house, i get the word maid may have some connotations to it, but you won't be getting your ass slapped and pulled off a leash while dusting off a shelf (sorry to those who were hoping for that)
 
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KL-001-A

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Brainrotted takes. If you want a quick fap, then why are you booting up a game? Saying that there's no point in gameplay is like saying there's no point in comics or hentai with story.
Nah, for me, if I want a quick fap I'll open Character AI. Lewd games are mostly just there to "rev up my engines" a bit, nothing more.

Besides, in hentai, the story should at least be "lewd-adjacent" or a vehicle for which lewd content can spring from.
Don't have a chapter be about the heroine getting a nasty medical bill that threatens to leave her homeless while she struggles to fight back suicidal thoughts and her parents disown her for dishonoring the family while she's chugging whiskey and lashing out at her friends, burning bridges as she spirals into despair; have her get desperate and go questing in a higher level dungeon she can't handle (oops tentacles), or have her hit up an old boyfriend to trade money for sex or something. Show her in the alley with her clothes ripped just enough to reveal her areolas a bit, or show her in some naughty barmaid outfit and getting flirty for extra tips. Same plot, different "flavor."
Hentai that goes an entire chapter without at least making the reader flustered and blushy is objectively bad hentai. Might be a good story, maybe, but still bad hentai.

(Man, it's hard to type while eating yakamein, heh. I should've eaten before opening F95.)
(Good stuff though. Sucks it's such a regional food from thousands of miles away, I'd love to have it made by someone who knows how to make it right, I'm just winging it.)

Anyway, there's nothing really wrong with lewd games that are JUST the lewd bits, so long as the porn is good enough to carry it solo like that and there's enough there to justify the download. Bonus points if there's juuuuuust enough gameplay there to tie everything together. The whole thing could end up becoming a better presentation than just a literal gallery depending on how everything's implemented.

Really though, spinning back to the whole "ME WANT PORN NOW" brainrot thing, you have to understand that when someone wants to play a lewd/porn game, they're committing to it, they set aside everything else, go somewhere private, close the curtains, lock the door, maybe drop their pants, maybe get out their toys or lotion or tissues or whatever; and their goal for this session is to climax at least once, or get horny so then they can cum to something at the end.
If they weren't wanting to at least get aroused, they wouldn't be playing a porn game.
Whether they have 5 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour, their end goal is to get horny and to cum, that's just the nature of the whole porn game genre
Doesn't mean the game has to be ALL PORN ALL THE TIME and have every NPC with giant tits that slowly expand while all the men cum all over all the tits and every cloud in the sky looks like giant futa women, but it should still work under the assumption that at any point the player wants, they can access something lewd, whether that be grabbing the nearest NPC and fucking them, or opening a gallery to watch their favorite scene to cum to.

As for the gameplay, devs should work under the assumption that the bloodflow to the player's brain isn't at 100%, and that they're simply not going to care about super-complex gameplay mechanics; this is why most porn games with combat tends to lean more on the "attack, special, block, crouch attack, and jump attack" combat system rather than animation-cancels and intricate combo mechanics. Not only are the players not focusing 100% on the gameplay, but it's less likely that the player will care as much about reading tutorials, too.

(Aaand I'm rambling. Ate too much, might drop from a food coma, heh.)
 
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DocRipper

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Hehe. Not the first time I've seen these posts from KL-001-A

Nah, for me, if I want a quick fap I'll open Character AI. Lewd games are mostly just there to "rev up my engines" a bit, nothing more.

Besides, in hentai, the story should at least be "lewd-adjacent" or a vehicle for which lewd content can spring from.
Don't have a chapter be about the heroine getting a nasty medical bill that threatens to leave her homeless while she struggles to fight back suicidal thoughts and her parents disown her for dishonoring the family while she's chugging whiskey and lashing out at her friends, burning bridges as she spirals into despair; have her get desperate and go questing in a higher level dungeon she can't handle (oops tentacles), or have her hit up an old boyfriend to trade money for sex or something. Show her in the alley with her clothes ripped just enough to reveal her areolas a bit, or show her in some naughty barmaid outfit and getting flirty for extra tips. Same plot, different "flavor."
Hentai that goes an entire chapter without at least making the reader flustered and blushy is objectively bad hentai. Might be a good story, maybe, but still bad hentai.

(Man, it's hard to type while eating yakamein, heh. I should've eaten before opening F95.)
(Good stuff though. Sucks it's such a regional food from thousands of miles away, I'd love to have it made by someone who knows how to make it right, I'm just winging it.)

Anyway, there's nothing really wrong with lewd games that are JUST the lewd bits, so long as the porn is good enough to carry it solo like that and there's enough there to justify the download. Bonus points if there's juuuuuust enough gameplay there to tie everything together. The whole thing could end up becoming a better presentation than just a literal gallery depending on how everything's implemented.

Really though, spinning back to the whole "ME WANT PORN NOW" brainrot thing, you have to understand that when someone wants to play a lewd/porn game, they're committing to it, they set aside everything else, go somewhere private, close the curtains, lock the door, maybe drop their pants, maybe get out their toys or lotion or tissues or whatever; and their goal for this session is to climax at least once, or get horny so then they can cum to something at the end.
If they weren't wanting to at least get aroused, they wouldn't be playing a porn game.
Whether they have 5 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour, their end goal is to get horny and to cum, that's just the nature of the whole porn game genre
Doesn't mean the game has to be ALL PORN ALL THE TIME and have every NPC with giant tits that slowly expand while all the men cum all over all the tits and every cloud in the sky looks like giant futa women, but it should still work under the assumption that at any point the player wants, they can access something lewd, whether that be grabbing the nearest NPC and fucking them, or opening a gallery to watch their favorite scene to cum to.

As for the gameplay, devs should work under the assumption that the bloodflow to the player's brain isn't at 100%, and that they're simply not going to care about super-complex gameplay mechanics; this is why most porn games with combat tends to lean more on the "attack, special, block, crouch attack, and jump attack" combat system rather than animation-cancels and intricate combo mechanics. Not only are the players not focusing 100% on the gameplay, but it's less likely that the player will care as much about reading tutorials, too.

(Aaand I'm rambling. Ate too much, might drop from a food coma, heh.)
I guess it's about perspective. If you're thinking about instant fap in the first place, you're probably right.
But otherwise I agree with ViviX12 . For decades, mainstream developers have been provoking us with beautiful girls, big boobs, butts, outfits, but nothing ever happens because of the "family friendly" rating. Well, I tell myself that one day I want to see a game that will be good and at the same time "it will be there", no more bullshit, no censorship, no teasing, no compromise ..full complete all-in-one game. Now I killed the boss and I want my sweet reward...and then can keep playing.:D But we only have shovelware and boring "normal + porn patch games" (be raped, unlock, rape enemy instead of kill - if you remove that content, it will work too). Maybe games like Carnal Instinct are close to real porn game. The original UE4 build worked well. Gameplay, atmosphere, music, porn, lewd story.. lewd everything, so you have motivation to play it) Something like that.
 

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Brainrotted takes. If you want a quick fap, then why are you booting up a game? Saying that there's no point in gameplay is like saying there's no point in comics or hentai with story.
Criticism of games that don't do nearly enough of the porn part is valid. But there's not much point in a glorified gallery either. Balancing gameplay and porn is hard, but getting it right gets you a great experience. If gameplay is also just a filler between sex scenes, then it's not done right. Having enjoyable gameplay tied to involving the scenes should be the goal. Another thing is when rather than just being a reward for playing well, sex is gameplay, which is one of the best ways for a porn game to be, and completely removes any argument of game with sex tacked on or scenes with minigames in between. What comes to mind for that is things like Factorial Omega and some molestation games. In short, sex should be mechanically tied to gameplay imo. But most devs either make shovelware minigames for a glorified scene collector or a good enough game with porn sprinkled in for interestest. For the latter I'm really annoyed how standard loss-h is, with how it creates a goal directly opposite to the gameplay and artificially lenghtens the whole thing.
I went on a rant and now I remembered a thing to say in the context. There's a lot of porn with some game in, there's a lot of games with porn in, but there's few actual porn games.
This, i'd rather have more H content with good mechanics and character interactions & story over yet another sidescroller beat em up slopfest that we've seen done a million times over.
 
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Word of advice for all you incoming game developers, create a game development schedule so game development doesn't take longer than it needs to, and make sure you're in good health nothing slows down game development more than you having bad health issues.
 
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Word of advice for all you incoming game developers, create a game development schedule so game development doesn't take longer than it needs to, and make sure you're in good health nothing slows down game development more than you having bad health issues.
While having a schedule is definitely a good idea, I don't imagine one can predict health issues unless they are chronic
 
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