VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[vbR592]

That sucks. I was hoping she could end up having sex with the bar groping orcs.

Does anyone know if there's a consequence to stealing the money from Djarab when burying the package?

I'm going to take the package, but do nothing, not even bury it. Let's see what happens.

Taking the package, but not burying it, will cause you to take a penalty to Dajrab's affection at the beginning of the trial, as well as missing out on his tip for the trial (which unlocks an option during one of the trial questions), but otherwise has no effect beyond not getting the quest rewards, I think.

Looking in the package before burying it does nothing but slightly changing some text, from what I can tell. However, taking the money from the package when you bury it after looking at its contents causes Dajrab to refuse to work with you in any way in the future. Attempting to do so will sometimes carry penalties (for example, if you try to get him to be the official captain of your catgirl raid, you will take a penalty to the stats that control the results of the quest, and he will refuse to help you).

 

[baneini]

Heres hoping the bar scene gets expanded to have sub outcome. It should come eventually to maintain the integrity of the sub path.

 

[hakarlman]

Heres hoping the bar scene gets expanded to have sub outcome. It should come eventually to maintain the integrity of the sub path.

I agree. I also noticed that Sabia will try to act dominate with a score of -1 domination when having sex with Tekrok's men. She'll mock them as if she's in control. The problem is that often times she genuinely likes blowing Orcs and getting fucked by them.

having a score of -1 Dominate and 4 submission should truly go full submission.

Is there anyway Sabia can blow the idle orc after the trial? Her submission is 4 and domination -1 ... LOL

Oh my god. That Bar Groping scene could've been the most epic thing ever, but it goes from full submission to the complete opposite of pure hardcore domination and retaliation? That makes absolutely no sense and completely defies the role-play if you have -1 domination and 4 submission points. She endured a gangbang from Tekrok's men, but used that gangbang to her advantage. Why is this situation any different? She could've gained more orc loyalty by having sex with them all.

Here's a screenshot showing the problem:



Here's how I would've done it, let the player choose:



If you don't want to make new art assets for the gangbang from the bar gropers, you can re-use the art assets from gangbang from TekRok's men before the trial.

 

[eddyt]

i literally am stuck nothing new is coming up its after kia has to find some special place can anyone help please

 

[souldead341]

i literally am stuck nothing new is coming up its after kia has to find some special place can anyone help please

Well, it might help to know where you are in the game or what the last story event you had is. Now I did a quick look in the last couple of pages and didn't see a post from you, so unless I missed it we need more info to help you.

Also, just my 2 cents on the submission / dominance divide. I see it that at this stage of the game Sabia was primarily dominant and is just starting to be more willing to submit to advance her cause. I see it as her thinking "Submitting to the orc bosses will advance my goals, so I'll do it" which in the longer run will lead to being more willing to submit in general. I don't see her going full submissive just to get more money in general at this stage.

 

[TheMagister]

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You have to understand that this game specifically is not a CHYOA. It's a story that Sierra has written where you get to make some choices, but not full control over the character. Sierra has decided that it is not (yet) in Sabia's personality to be a turbo-slut and submit to all orcs. Because for her story to work, there are more factions to visit and Sabia needs to have a level of respect with the orcs. It wouldn't make sense for Sabia to go around camp begging for orc dick and then lead them out into a battle. This is not your story about Sabia. It's Sierra's story about Sabia.

 

[TomberryDude]

I'm not entirely sure how to say this. First let me say I think the game's good. Damn good.

With that out of the way. I don't get the "hype" around SierraLee's writing skills. I played Noxian Nights, years ago and I thought that was great. It has it's shortcommings but the flaws were more in the gameplay than the story. Then I played The Last Sovereign and I wasn't a fan of it at all. Like I said it was years ago but I thought the story was bland it wasn't that sexy of a game.

Partly due to no pictures. And I can't blame the author or the people who like it. I like erotic text, I read and enjoy erotic short stories online with only text and it's nice. In a game, though, it just feels like something's missing.

AS far as Kingdom of Deception goes. I played that a long time ago and could find maybe about 3 sex scenes in it and it had almost no gameplay yet. I was dissaptointed, a bit. It had the same art style as Noxian Nights so I excepted a bit more, maybe too much. Then I just kind of moved on until today.

Tried the current (0.5.2) version and I like it a lot more. This is where I'm gonna give praise to the writing. I like that the MC isn't compeltely averse and disgusted by sex for 80 % of the game. She only has issues with orcs, which without judging anybody, is understandable in her position. I also like that you get sex scenes regularly, every maybe 20 minutes of gameplay at most. And they're good. They're not too long, they're not too short. Yet, they're nicely descriptive. Hot stuff, mostly.

While I don't thnk SierraLee makes espetially great stories in the grand scheme of things, I will say she managed to make me like and care for Silvertusk, the bar owner. I like the dude a lot. And I love that he isn't just jumping the MC either. When you spent an evening with him I was expecting some kind of sex to happen, but it didn't. I would have been fine with it, I mean, of all the people in the camp if I had to have sex with someone... it'd be Neve but Silvertusk is definitely second place.

But it didn't need to happen and the scene was good enough without it. In fact, it might have been way less good with sex involved. what I'm trying to say is there are genuinely interesting characters in this and that's rare enough in porn, let alone in porn games, to be mentioned and commended. The world building isn't too bad either. It's kinda generic maybe but it is somewhat believable and I find myself wanted to learn more about it.

In conclusion. I think this has good characters, good sex and an interesting enough plot to keep you wanting more. I didn't talk about the gameplay much because it's not really notewhorthy in my opinion. It works well enough and while it's not mindblowingly good, it's not torturingly bad, either.

 

[Heliophorus]

What TheMagister said, KoD is not usual female mc games were character becomes a broken slut. Here Sabia is maneuvering in politics of orc tribe and to lesser extent other peoples to reach her own goals (and from what I gathered from posts made by Sierra, Sub -Dom and Freedom - Slavery stats should impact how story will play out in the end). It's a more serious story.

 

[TomberryDude]

What TheMagister said, KoD is not usual female mc games were character becomes a broken slut. Here Sabia is maneuverer in politics of orc tribe and to lesser extent other peoples to reach her own goals (and from what I gathered from posts made by Sierra, Sub -Dom and Freedom - Slavery stats should impact how story will play out in the end). It's a more serious story.

Ah, I forgot to mention that in my abomination of a wall of text. I love how you don't need to go full sub all the time to get sex scenes in this. That's rare too and I appreciate it a lot.

On the other hand. You guys realise "realism" or whatever you want to call it isn't the issue, here. You can maneuver in politics without sucking dicks to get where you want and being submissive in sex doesn't necessarily mean you're a weak person with no ambition in the rest of your life.

I mean, I still agree that in that game it wouldn't make sense for Sabia to just fall pussy first on every cocks she runs into...

 

[Heliophorus]

I guess, but Sabia never striked me as very sex focused person, at least at the beginning of the game. This especially shows in her interactions with Neve and in some other dialogue pieces. Now that attitude does break down sometimes, she does find Lutvrog hot and in some scenes decides to go with the flow, but she's not as slutty as Neve, for example. And I grown to like her for that, she's more plot focused instead of sex. Also, that's why I mentioned sub/dom and slavery/freedom stats. I would assume sub/slavery and sub/freedom paths will have different outlook, in one Sabia might start enjoy degradation and succumb to it and maybe not so in other.

 

[TomberryDude]

I guess, but Sabia never striked me as very sex focused person, at least at the beginning of the game. This especially shows in her interactions with Neve and in some other dialogue pieces. Now that attitude does break down sometimes, she does find Lutvrog hot and in some scenes decides to go with the flow, but she's not as slutty as Neve, for example. And I grown to like her for that, she's more plot focused instead of sex. Also, that's why I mentioned sub/dom and slavery/freedom stats. I would assume sub/slavery and sub/freedom paths will have different outlook, in one Sabia might start enjoy degradation and succumb to it and maybe not so in other.

You're right. The only issue I have is that you seem to be seeing she can't want both "sex" and "power" or whatever. But I guess that's not really what you mean either, just, in her specific situation.

Personally, I see games I get on this site as porn first, games second. But that's me, not everyone has to be like that.

 

[Bytrain]

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[Heliophorus]

You're right. The only issue I have is that you seem to be seeing she can't want both "sex" and "power" or whatever. But I guess that's not really what you mean either, just, in her specific situation.

Sure, I'm just saying that most of the time she has her mind set on obtaining power instead of sex. I mean she even comments later in story that working in tents showed her that sex can be used for political gain, so I guess she never really done it this way before, unlike her sister. It's much more interesting to have character like that.

 

[hakarlman]

Sure, I'm just saying that most of the time she has her mind set on obtaining power instead of sex. I mean she even comments later in story that working in tents showed her that sex can be used for political gain, so I guess she never really done it this way before, unlike her sister. It's much more interesting to have character like that.

She can still acquire power through sex. The Orcs groping her in the bar were against her, but the dominate route lets you kill them and she acquires a little power through reputation as being feared. Still, she got in trouble for doing so and had to try to get out of it. Doesn't seem like she really gained anything except coin and an axe which could've been acquired through submissive sexual work at the tents.

She could've acquired more power by letting them have sex with her, but there is no submission route for the Bar groping. It makes no sense to increase submission, because her plan from the start was to have them killed which is a dominant decision.

To get back to your original point, she can obtain power through sexual submission. For example by letting the Bar groping Orcs fuck her in exchange for their loyalty or more orc loyalty in general. She even earned extra coin in tips, coin is power. She can profess she wants to be used sexually by them, but work towards negotiate their allegiance.

The submission route should be truly submissive if you have 0 domination points.
The domination route should be truly dominant if you have 0 submission points.

 

[TomberryDude]

She can still acquire power through sex. The Orcs groping her in the bar were against her, but the dominate route lets you kill them and she acquires a little power through reputation as being feared. Still, she got in trouble for doing so and had to try to get out of it. Doesn't seem like she really gained anything except coin and an axe which could've been acquired through submissive sexual work at the tents.

She could've acquired more power by letting them have sex with her, but there is no submission route for the Bar groping. It makes no sense to increase submission, because her plan from the start was to have them killed which is a dominant decision.

To get back to your original point, she can obtain power through sexual submission. For example by letting the Bar groping Orcs fuck her in exchange for their loyalty or more orc loyalty in general. She even earned extra coin in tips, coin is power. She can profess she wants to be used sexually by them, but work towards negotiate their allegiance.

The submission route should be truly submissive if you have 0 domination points.
The domination route should be truly dominant if you have 0 submission points.

I wanna agree with you for the gameplay. Doesn't make much sense to have a dominant and a submission stat if they don't matter.

But as far as the story is concerned. Sabia wouldn't have much to gain by letting the gropers fuck her. It's not like it's the only way for them to get sex. They can go to the relief tents anytime they want if they have a handful of coins to spare.

If anything, submitting to them would be a sure fire way to let everyone know you can do whatever you want with her and she's a weak pathetic whore. Not gonna win her a lot of political weight.

 

[FlipFish]

I always saw submissive Sabia as being somewhat manipulative. Maybe as the game continues development she'll actually become submissive personalty wise if you choose that route, but currently going by her inner dialogue she's using submissiveness as a sort of weapon in my opinion. There's also a choice of inner dialogue you can choose when you first meet the female orc shaman that's something along the lines of "I need a softer touch if I want to manipulate orcs to do my bidding" as one of the choices for a submissive route.

Just my two cents.

 

[random.person]

The whole point actually is that ending that scene differently would probably have worked only as a bad end from a narrative point of view. If we imagine Sabia at that point in time submitting to those orcs in that way we must admit that she probably would have damaged irreparably her reputation as a warrior and would have become a character without the drive to continue her struggle so as to get her vengeance.
Submitting to random orcs manhandling her would've meant probably establishing herself at the bottom of the tribe, no warrior would take her seriously as a leader because they would think of her as some sort of puny human sex toy they can abuse at their leasure. And psychologically it would've meant that she's fine getting gang-banged by random orc assholes for not really that much of a gain, since the money that she could've gotten would be probably irrelevant in the grand scheme of things - then why toil for a better position if she can just do that? She refused to work in the tents after becoming a member of the tribe precisely because she doesn't want to be a whore, she wants to get power. If we'd backpedaled on this front we'd basically just choose being the camp whore over striving to climb the social ladder.
Thus that would need to be a bad end because there'd be no way to have that scene and then progress with the story of Sabia accumulating power and getting back at her family.

 

[hakarlman]

Sabia wouldn't have much to gain by letting the gropers fuck her.

She let Tekrok's men fuck her at the tents and they supported her at the trial.

She has a lot to gain by being submissive and letting the orc bar gropers fuck her. She could earn coin and their favor. She wouldn't have a murder charge against her either from the Shaman. Killing the Orcs for 200 lunils and an axe isn't worth it in the grand scheme of things.

If anything, submitting to them would be a sure fire way to let everyone know you can do whatever you want with her and she's a weak pathetic whore. Not gonna win her a lot of political weight.

She let them grope her, she had the decision. She can tell them to stop or continue. She's still a member of the Orc clan and went through the trial. It's not like she's a slave with no choice.

Letting them grope her to the point she's horny and let's them fuck her is submissive, but should grant her loyalty and favor the same way it did when she let Tekrok's men fuck her.

Saying no is dominant. If they grope her and she says no again it's dominant. If they grope her against her will and she fights back, she's dominant. If she gets pissed off at them and murders them she's dominant.

Letting them grope her in order to deceive and eventually kill them in ambush is deception and ultimately dominance.

The bar groping quest of this game has only a dominant path. There is no submission route. Her supposed submissiveness in the bar groping quest was more like deception not submission. She deceives them, but the game gives you submission points? It doesn't make sense. It's fake submission in order to deceive. A person who thinks like that is dominant.

I always saw submissive Sabia as being somewhat manipulative. Maybe as the game continues development she'll actually become submissive personalty wise if you choose that route, but currently going by her inner dialogue she's using submissiveness as a sort of weapon in my opinion. There's also a choice of inner dialogue you can choose when you first meet the female orc shaman that's something along the lines of "I need a softer touch if I want to manipulate orcs to do my bidding" as one of the choices for a submissive route.

Just my two cents.

It's not submission. It's deception.

You can tell she's clearly submissive when she gives into her lust filled desires in the tent scenes. She loves that Orc cock. It's not just an act. If she was acting the whole entire time, I would agree with you, but she's not.

Look at the bar groping quest from a game mechanic point of view.

She lets them grope her: +1 submission
She lets them grope her again: +1 submission
She lets them grope her again: +1 submission
She lets them grope her again: +1 dominance

What? lol.. She's dominant all of a sudden?

This makes more sense:

She lets them grope her: +1 deception +1 submission
She lets them grope her again: +1 deception +1 submission
She lets them grope her again: +1 deception +1 submission
She lets them grope her again....
Player gets to chose:
A) She got so horny during the groping she decided to just let them take her to the tents and fuck her. (+1 submission, -3 deception, +2 orc loyalty)
B) She gets them killed in the tavern. (+1 deception, -3 submission, 200 lunils, Orc Axe, Murder Charge)

 

[hakarlman]

t she probably would have damaged irreparably her reputation as a warrior

She let Tekrok's men fuck her and they supported her at the trial. It's been proven in the game that good sex leads to support and orc loyalty.

Submitting to random orcs manhandling her would've meant probably establishing herself at the bottom of the tribe, no warrior would take her seriously as a leader because they would think of her as some sort of puny human sex toy they can abuse at their leasure.

During the quest she can say no and they back off which means they respect her strength. If she said no and they just continued, then it proves they don't respect her.

And psychologically it would've meant that she's fine getting gang-banged by random orc assholes for not really that much of a gain,

She let Tekrok's men bang her and she earned their support at the trial. That's a HUGE gain. She's able to sway Orc opinion for a trial by using sex.

She refused to work in the tents after becoming a member of the tribe precisely because she doesn't want to be a whore, she wants to get power.

That part really sucked. I'm hoping we can continue to let her work in the tents. Not working in the tents wasn't as fun. That was one of the best parts of the game and now it's gone.

If we'd backpedaled on this front we'd basically just choose being the camp whore over striving to climb the social ladder.Thus that would need to be a bad end because there'd be no way to have that scene and then progress with the story of Sabia accumulating power and getting back at her family.

There has to be some way to justify her having sex with the Bar gropers while letting her climb the social ladder. The way it is now wasn't fun or entertaining. It was just anti-climatic and boring. It went against a purely submissive sabia play through. She was completely turned on during the bar groping event.

 

[random.person]

She let Tekrok's men fuck her at the tents and they supported her at the trial.

She has a lot to gain by being submissive and letting the orc bar gropers fuck her. She could earn coin and their favor. She wouldn't have a murder charge against her either from the Shaman. Killing the Orcs for 200 lunils and an axe isn't worth it in the grand scheme of things.



She let them grope her, she had the decision. She can tell them to stop or continue. She's still a member of the Orc clan and went through the trial. It's not like she's a slave with no choice.

The bar groping quest of this game has only a dominant path. There is no submission route. Her supposed submissiveness in the bar groping quest was more like deception not submission. She deceives them, but the game gives you submission points? It doesn't make sense. It's fake submission in order to deceive. A person who thinks like that is dominant.

But we must understand that what she did with Tekrok's men was before she became a member of the tribe.
At that moment in time she was an outcast and getting the favor of a captain was worth it.
After the trial not so much, she has achieved a warrior's status, she has a higher station than when she worked in the tents, that's why she can't afford to fall. She could do it before because she was at the very bottom and couldn't go lower.

That route is submissive in the measure in which she doesn't stop them from manhandling them. And it's not dominant because Sabia relies to subterfuge, cunning and help to solve the situation, instead of imposing herself on those orcs.
Besides there are various degrees of submissiveness and at this point in time simply the authors have deemed Sabia not submissive enough to undergo such an ending. And I agree with them, even though I would have loved the whorish outcome. You are stressing the name of the parameter too much and forgetting that you don't have any numerical reference to say if it's high or not. If we knew submission 10 was "ahegao cock-addicted gyaru slut from hell" and that was the order of magnitude Sabia was at, you'd be right. But we don't have such a reference.
Or, better said, we have some kind of reference, and that's the requirement for Tekrok x Sabia submission scene in the raid phase.

"Sub: Submit obediently to Tekrok" if sub >= 5:
            $ tekrokraidsexdone = True
            $ dom -= 1
            $ sub += 3
            show sabiaemo happy3 at left
            s "I need your help, Tekrok. You're withholding help that I need to work for you."
            show tekrok normal at right
            t "Bah. You have earned nothing."
            show sabiaemo closed3 at left
            s "Earning support is something between equals. I thought you considered me just a tool..."
            "Tekrok paused, eyeing her suspiciously. He shifted forward, an ominous mass of muscle looming over her."
            show tekrok angry2 at right
            t "You have given Tekrok no reason to believe you know your proper place."
            show sabiaemo normal at left
            s "I won't submit so easily... but I know you're my only chance. I'll play the role I need to under you."
            show tekrok happy1 at right
            show sabiaemo happy3 at left
            t "Oh? Will you really play every part of that role?"
            s "Yes... you've already used me for your men, why not use me for yourself? I would rather be yours than a bunch of lowly warriors'..."
            show tekrok angry2 at right
            t "Hah. Humans will have no right to such pride when Tekrok's world has come."
            show tekrok happy1 at right
            t "But for now, you are a good tool. If you mean what you say, then prove it!"
            call TekrokSabiaSub

As we can see the requirement is submission at least 5 and it raises it by 3, so this whole thing makes her at least a submission 8. And what does she agree to at 5 that brings her to 8? She reluctantly agree to affirm her role as Tekrok's subordinate by having sex with him. And here's the key, at this submission score she still is reluctant.
Submission around 5 is not meant to represent turboslut. She is prone to submit to others, but only if it furthers her goal.
She's not a mindless doll ready to be played with if asked or taken.