VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[CourierNPC]

Hey there, I have been interested in making a game for some time, and the setting of KoD atracted my attention. I want to ask you what part of the game did you like the most and what was lacking (besides frecuent updates)

Was it the setting? (medieval fantasy, orc camp, something else you liked)
Was it the sexual fetishes? (Monsters, slavery, something else you liked)
How important was the story/context? Something in particular that reinforced the sexual encounters?
What style of writing do you like? (lots of descriptive details, only conversations, something else)
Which style of art do you prefer (Hentai, a particular western artist, something else)

What was lacking that was not present in the game.
Other games you may want to mention for whatever reason.

Other detailes you may want to tell.

Setting: KoD at its best a couple of patches ago intrigued me. The setting is pretty generic and sexual fetishes that I found are one of the most common tropes: A woman, whether she is a human or an elf getting it on with the Orcs or Goblins or within the same race consensually or non-consensually.

What makes it unique is that there is politics in this game, mainly surrounding Sabia and the Orc Tribe. Sabia and the Orcs have their own goals, too: Sabia who wants to go back to her rightful place by attacking her mother using the Orcs and getting their respect through sheer, unadulterated female domination or being a submissive girl to all races and the Orcs who wanted Sabia to use every inch of her body to please them. Other than that, seeing Sabia and many other girls getting it on in their own way is something I'd appreciate.

Scenes/Writing: Personally, if a sex scene can be incorporated into the story, much like KOD before all the shitstorm, could potentially lead to a very, very worthwhile climax. There are people who climaxed through wordplay, climaxed by seeing a picture, and people who climaxed through both wordplays and seeing a picture, and these three types I presented here should be as balanced as possible, as everything should be.

Story/Context: I'd be okay if the setting is set to whatever tone the game needed it to be. If the game goes erotica first, then it should be consistent all around -- however, I think to be able to do both erotica and hentai writing should be sufficient. If you can discuss it on forums like this, the better. People's feedback really helps in building the story and the tone, too. Build some Google Forms or something to accumulate votes and feedback so that it becomes your goal in continuing and eventually finishing the groundwork.

Art style: Realistically, Nomo's old art is sufficient enough to make KOD a worthwhile game... before all the shitstorms and the downgrades. There are a few artists that I'd recommend to propel this game further -- but Nomo should be the one doing it and should consider more about their value as an artist for this game alone. I don't think at this point Nomo would find themselves enjoying what they always do all this time. If I'd want to recommend artists for this one (and this is going for the Claire's Quest route, in which Dystopian Project hired a bunch of artists to work on their game):

1. Dandonfuga: Character design (if you prefer a slightly buff ladies with proportionate boobs and butts ratio), lesbian scenes. I think Dandon would be one of the preferable artists to create (or in this case, recreate) Sabia or Neve.
2. Kon-Kit: Different ranges of scenes, mostly involving humans (and a little bit goofy and ecchi scenes)
3. Homare (Fool's Art Gallery): Character design (if you prefer hot Onee-sans with big tits), monster design, and scenes design (Homare's choice in adapting a scene involves a lot of open spaces to the goodies.
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4. Rindou (Radical Dream): one of the best tentacle hentai artists around
5. Krysdecker: Character design (if you prefer a little bit of realism here and there), sensual scenes involving both male and female. Krys is pretty great on sensual scene choices and if you'd like Sabia or Neve to be as realistically sexy as possible.
6. Yokohama Junky: Perfect for corruption route (if there is any). I've seen their work and some of them hosted at E-Hentai gave me an "Offensive for Everyone" warning
7. Butcha-U: One of the legends of Humanoid x Monster hentai artists around. I've become a fan of their work after seeing Dark Elf vs Alien and Metroid XXX... maybe SDPO and Imagine Thoroughbred: GAMEOVERS, too.

And before you say anything: Yes, I know this is too much. Employing artists of this caliber to work for an almost forgotten game -- but if a man can dream (and a pretty distant one at that, too), so be it.

What was lacking:
Gameplay:
Combat was pretty barebones in KOD. You literally sparring with Orcs to join in an arena fight that happens only once. I'd appreciate it if the combat doesn't limit you to that only and becomes a way to increase strength, stamina, and all that.

Also, I think the game needed activities where you compete with the Orcs or generally being helpful to gain their respect without having to go all brute force. Arena betting, unarmed sparring, race through the woods, fishing, wood gathering, being a guard (once Sabia has enough respect from the Three Captains), etc. Hreinn gives us a pretty big map, but it is lacking in use. Maybe with scenes that aren't happening inside the camp on the side, too. Got caught by the Goblins, a good romping from the Kobolds in the woods, trying to get your way out of Humans/Elves/Minotaurs/Goblins/Trolls highwaymen (depending on the region, outside the city's border has more chance to have sex with other races/monsters).

I don't recall if KOD had a libido system. How can you keep working while seeing all the hung green sausage laid bare for you under them loincloths? An option to "skip work/activity to have sex" would be something refreshing, in my opinion.

I think that's all from me. At its current state, I don't think what I've written above would be a reality. But, since you're seeking people's input, I shall give you mine.

Sorry for the long post.

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[glocked]

I dunno guys since 0.5 this game lacks fucking content each update it gets, this one isnt bad compared to previous ones but damn.

 

[CourierNPC]

I dunno guys since 0.5 this game lacks fucking content each update it gets, this one isnt bad compared to previous ones but damn.
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The v0.12.1 update lacks content because Hreinn decided that it is a good thing to cut some scenes for another update that "soon" will be uploaded. I'll personally give it 2.25/5 for this one. Some scenes are hot but as they've said before, most of it are repeatable scenes.

 

[Snowmanly]

Honestly, the state of this forum is wild, not gonna lie. As a guy that has played lots of games here, KoD is a gem for sure. The update was not bad in my opinion. Yes, it added a few scenes and yes, the art in some of the scenes is not the same quality compared to previous scenes, but it is not as bad you are all making it out to be. In fact, it's quite good in my opinion. The repeatable scenes are supposed to be a small venture, which means a bit less quality art - and that is it. A bit less quality art.

The story and writing? It's alright. I am a writer myself, and honestly, while I can see how people could describe it as bland - it's a developing skill the more you do it. It's not as bad as you'd expect from comments on here, but it's not amazing either. It's somewhere in the middle and that's alright. Nomo can't be an amazing artist and a screenwriter. And honestly? It's not horrible.

I had my doubts about the update. Numerous delays, broken promises and what not. Staved off my frustration until we saw it, and honestly? I think it was not bad at all. If what they are saying is true and there is supposed to be a quick fix after this one about adding scenes, fixing bugs and etc, it will be a good update. You cannot however, say that they haven't done any work.

They themselves said there is more to add and this is not the whole 8 month's worth of content. With various issues out of their control such as covid and others - I can see them having the issues and slowdown they are having. Radio silence isn't helping, but it also isn't helping to just bitch and moan on an update that added nearly an amount of 1/3 of the total scenes before the update itself.

Mind you, I am defending them now, because the criticism of the update in my opinion, does not come from objectivity, but from frustration. I too think the studio needs a PR guy, someone that lets fans know what the hell is going on, why are there delays, and if they are taking note of potential feedback. Maybe the three have circumstantial issues to not pick up the mantle of such a person, like being busy with stuff outside of the game and not being able to just pick up the chore of being their mouthpiece, so to speak. They desperately need one at this point.

I enjoyed the update, I enjoyed the content. If they add more in a month or two, well, that's going to be great of them. If not? I am not part of their studio and I couldn't possibly know when such an update would take place, but calling them liars and scammers is ridiculous in my opinion. Dislike the service? Stop paying for it. Speak with actions that are going to be heard, not with empty complaints on a forum that is used to pirate the game. Not paying for the service? Why should you even talk about how they are doing their job? They have made one of the best games I've played so far(Noxian nights), and they continue to do so with this, even at a snail's pace that it is.

 

[Brother Penetrātus]

Need some help: Besides the groping at the trading lodge, i can't progress the story.
Quest log shows this

 

[Devil22]

This is the worst update I've ever played this fucking rubbish game.
New scene art is just fucking shit compared to what it was

 

[The Unexpected]

Sorry for the long post.

Dont be sorry, that was an amazing post, thank you for the artists reccomendations.

What makes it unique is that there is politics in this game...

Scenes/Writing: Personally, if a sex scene can be incorporated into the story...

Would you say then that what enhances the sex in the game is the CONTEXT that surrounds it and what the characters behaviour while having sex represents (power struggle, roles, objectives, needs, etc). Politics itselft at the end of the day is just a good excuse to create conflict, which seems to be what you are insterested in, unless im wrong?.

What was lacking:
Gameplay:
Combat was pretty barebones in KOD. You literally sparring with Orcs to join in an arena fight that happens only once. I'd appreciate it if the combat doesn't limit you to that only and becomes a way to increase strength, stamina, and all that.

Also, I think the game needed activities ....

So, meaningfull and more engaging combat, and some camp life activities not tied to quest for orc respect and maybe rewards then?


btw, i am promising nothing atm, this is me testing the waters looking for information to then do stuff silently on my own until something worth showing exits(or maybe life happens and the project dies). I dont want to hype anyone here, enought dissapointment is in this thread already.

 

[hyperbuttplug]

Need some help: Besides the groping at the trading lodge, i can't progress the story.
Quest log shows this View attachment 1396029

I'm having the same issue, can someone who has finished the new patch please explain how to get the new content? Thanks in advance!

 

[EpicReee]

Ok but I have to ask, is saving Vehlis currently impossible or did I softlock myself by wearing the orc-slave outfit? Because aside from trying to rescue her, there's nothing else that can be done except for the 3 options train, look around and eat in the fort, which are only accessible if you wear the leather armor.

I have the potion that negates the effects from the trap, but when you find Vehlis Jasmine is using a spell that basically leads to the same gameover as getting hit by the trap. And since you can't leave the city I can't change into leather armor so I can't check if that would even help.

 

[CourierNPC]

Would you say then that what enhances the sex in the game is the CONTEXT that surrounds it and what the characters behaviour while having sex represents (power struggle, roles, objectives, needs, etc). Politics itselft at the end of the day is just a good excuse to create conflict, which seems to be what you are insterested in, unless im wrong?.

Some people having sex to gain leverage, some to gain an advantage, some to have fun while eavesdropping on things. You can sex talk with whoever and they'd be spilling some of the beans along the way, right?

So, meaningfull and more engaging combat, and some camp life activities not tied to quest for orc respect and maybe rewards then?

I think a camp life that isn't tied to the quest is sufficient. You can make Sabia the best cum dumpster all day, but if Orc's respect can be earned just like Lundils or maybe a couple of pints at the Silvertusk by doing anything that isn't cleaning the tents or serving an Orc a blowjob, why not? A warrior like Sabia might be useless for Orcs to put on the frontline, but at least she is attentive enough not to let saboteurs enter the village, right? Or with the right "prices"... might even "convince" all sort of nasty people to get out of the Tribe.

Those activities might even have their own quest system if I want to be a little more complex. Hunting will raise respect and chances of getting it on in the woods and so on. This could potentially lead to a comprehensive stat system -- things like Strength, Resolve, Flexibility, etc. that will help Sabia in the future whether using unadulterated female domination or being the ultimate "Yes Man" to all races, doing whatever they ask Sabia to do instead of using some Dom/Sub points.

As for combat though, aside from being meaningful, it needs to be intuitive while keeping it simple. Since KOD is a porn game, to diversify the CG, defeat scenes after losing a battle against any races/monsters needed to be implemented. Much like Neve getting caught by the Goblins (found in the Bonus Scenes part of KOD).


On a more hypocritical note: I'm sure speaking a lot for somebody who just plays games for fun.

 

[CourierNPC]

They desperately need one at this point.

That is if they are willing to open up positions and offering some kind of job for the people who had still hope for this game. I'd personally apply for the writer position or, as you say, PR guy if they put up the "Help Wanted" poster or something through Patreon or elsewhere. I never heard or see a post about them outsourcing the human resources to help them combat this snail's pace they've been at for a good couple of years. I tried sent them an e-mail some years ago, but to no avail, there were no replies.

Maybe I'm just missing out on things, but who knows?

 

[I Love These Games]

Where's new update? Was it posted here yet?

 

[StarFayek]

Well I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I can't progress after finding where vehlis is. I got the potions but I still get knocked out by a spell and game over.
What am I supposed to do I don't get it and I can't even get out of there.

 

[helllover]

Well I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I can't progress after finding where vehlis is. I got the potions but I still get knocked out by a spell and game over.
What am I supposed to do I don't get it and I can't even get out of there.

Find her quicker after the search and rescue starts

 

[StarFayek]

Find her quicker after the search and rescue starts

Thx I've been stuck for while

 

[grodom]

Hey there, I have been interested in making a game for some time, and the setting of KoD atracted my attention. I want to ask you what part of the game did you like the most and what was lacking (besides frecuent updates)

Was it the setting? (medieval fantasy, orc camp, something else you liked)
Was it the sexual fetishes? (Monsters, slavery, something else you liked)
How important was the story/context? Something in particular that reinforced the sexual encounters?
What style of writing do you like? (lots of descriptive details, only conversations, something else)
Which style of art do you prefer (Hentai, a particular western artist, something else)

What was lacking that was not present in the game.
Other games you may want to mention for whatever reason.

Other detailes you may want to tell.

I would imagine a medieval fantasy game with western art (something like Dandonfuga). And story would be about group of sexy female mercenaries and their daily sexual intercourse during quests. One of them could be a nymphomaniac, whose like to go to brother to hire some males or have gangbang with group of bandits, instead killing them.

 

[borkenone]

Honestly, the state of this forum is wild, not gonna lie. As a guy that has played lots of games here, KoD is a gem for sure. The update was not bad in my opinion. Yes, it added a few scenes and yes, the art in some of the scenes is not the same quality compared to previous scenes, but it is not as bad you are all making it out to be. In fact, it's quite good in my opinion. The repeatable scenes are supposed to be a small venture, which means a bit less quality art - and that is it. A bit less quality art.

While I do agree this update isn't AS bad as some makes it out to be, it's still on the worse side of the end, the time it took certainly does not help. And the dissatisfaction around here was not all due to this update along, but has been built up for a while now.

Let me try make of it about what's not working here:
I feel like the drop in quality of art doesn't seem like it would take less time to do,the repeatable scenes looks like it's still extravagantly colored, that doesn't make it feel like much time is been saved with them.

And judging from the non-repeatables, Nomo's art style shifting to a weird direction, which I don't really know how to describe it, that the colors are been too full?

Also speaking of saving time, he really should had outsource things like random human npcs and background (i.e the ones nobody really cares about.) I remember he also wasted a lot of time on those female human a few updates ago, he could really just outsource them and maybe only draw the faces himself.

And I think the major problem of this game if you compares it to Noxian Nights, is how empty the world feels, there are a lot of things that just don't do anything after certain point, like, how many shops are in the orc camp? what can you buy form them by now? Same goes for most other part of the camp, let along the world map. The minor characters in Noxian Nights although shallow in nature, still feel like characters, as they were constantly present, same could not be said about most of the minor cast, hell even some of the supposed major ones.

And the worst part of it is that the so called repeatable scenes are not even repeatable. Back in Noxian Nights there's always something you can do, some scenes to repeat other than continue the main story line, here there were a few of them but if you progress though the game till this point, there hasn't been one for quite a while now.

It's somewhere in the middle and that's alright. Nomo can't be an amazing artist and a screenwriter. And honestly? It's not horrible.

wait, if he's doing both those job, what do the other two guys do? there are still two others right?

 

[EpicReee]

Find her quicker after the search and rescue starts

So basically if I saved just before pressing "Rescue Vehlis" I'm softlocked?

wait, if he's doing both those job, what do the other two guys do? there are still two others right?

Nah he's just the one telling the writer how the story plays out. Basically Nomo's job is to say "Vehlis gets kidnapped and Sabia has to rescue her", the writers job is to write the story, npcs and basically every piece of text we see ingame around this premise.

 

[The_fallen_dragon]

honestly, i don't even know where I am in this game, I missed so many updates and all I remember is it was starting to go have futa and all that with the bandit group

 

[Eldar]

So basically if I saved just before pressing "Rescue Vehlis" I'm softlocked?

Yeah, if you got no other saves, I'm afraid you are screwed