Evergrey
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It's true that more people are more invested in KoD but that doesn't mean she should put more work towards that instead of her other projects. TLS is pretty much what started her patreon career. She's been working on that game since 2014 and deserves just as much of her attention to be worked on as KoD. And She's making almost 5k on TLS. A game that she's making BY HERSELF. That's pretty impressive for a game that has literally no art in their sex scenes. And the reason she likes to work on smaller games is because she has a bunch of other ideas and likes to "expand her horizons" if that makes sense? It's better than being burned out from solely working on a single project. She doesn't even release any builds of her smaller games until it's finished. Then she releases patches of it. That's it. No Ouroburo ver .5 or some shit. it's always gonna be 1.0 and then patches. In any case, what we know for sure is that THEY WILL FINISH THIS GAME. Sierra and Nomo has not let anyone down yet when it comes to completing their games and I doubt they will soon. Besides, it's not like you're helping them out by being a patron to them since you're here lurking about I'm assuming. So you really have no reason to complain.
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I doubt it's due to Patreon. Or at least I hope it isn't. Otherwise it doesn't bode well for all the ''bad'' ends, and any future similar scenes.
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TheMagister
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Ah, I see we have a saint here. I assume you have never illegally downloaded something and thought it was bad. After all, you didn't pay for it! That makes it impossible for you to have any criticism about it at all!
It SHOULD mean she should work harder on KoD than TLS. The amount of patreons between both projects isn't that much higher, yet the Patreon amount for KoD is about 1k higher than TLS. Every month that passes by without a KoD update is a month where they are essentially robbing people. The argument of "but you're backing the creators!!!!" doesn't really fly here either; after all, Sierra Lee has another Patreon that already supports her.
To put it succinctly; let's assume that all of Sierra Lee's patreon money goes to her and that Hreinn is divided solely between her and Nomo. 6599 / 2 = 3299.5. 3299.5 + 4823 = 8122.5. She got paid € 8122.5 the past three months to work on KoD (that doesn't have that many crazy gameplay systems in place) and release an update on TLS. I'm just saying, it might not be her fault (maybe Nomo is struggling with art or something) but that's a good amount of money to earn without really having any output to show for it.
And to come back on my first point, no, I don't back Hreinn. I don't trust PayPal and I don't have a credit card. I would have supported them during the run of NN though, because they delivered quality in a timely fashion. I would have backed out of my pledge by now though.
I don't think SL need us to teach her how to work.
BTW,TLS is not a side project but the main one,and it started earlier than NN&KOD
BTW,TLS is not a side project but the main one,and it started earlier than NN&KOD
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Sierra is the dev of TLS and Ouroboros, Hreinn Games are the devs of NN and KoD, two separate entities.
TheMagister
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Both are main projects...at least I would hope so, otherwise the patreons of Hreinn are just getting robbed.
Sierra is the only developer of NN and KoD though, as I'm pretty sure Nomo only makes artwork. So she gets money from both Sierra Lee patreon and Hreinn games patreon.
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I think we are making a lot of assumptions but we do not know all the facts.
We don't know why they really removed the scenes. I think it is because of patreon bans but I only think that because the 3.4 update came out secretly without anouncing. But I don't know.
Maybe Sierra is the bottleneck and she is the problem but maybe not. I don't know how to judge this. But since her other work comes out normally I do not know why she would waste time on this one. I also trust Nomo because he seems to be a good guy on Discord so maybe there is no bottleneck and they are just working on a big update.
If the update comes out and it is bad then maybe we are right to complain. But if it comes out and is good then there was no point because it was just several months at once instead of monthly updates.
We don't know why they really removed the scenes. I think it is because of patreon bans but I only think that because the 3.4 update came out secretly without anouncing. But I don't know.
Maybe Sierra is the bottleneck and she is the problem but maybe not. I don't know how to judge this. But since her other work comes out normally I do not know why she would waste time on this one. I also trust Nomo because he seems to be a good guy on Discord so maybe there is no bottleneck and they are just working on a big update.
If the update comes out and it is bad then maybe we are right to complain. But if it comes out and is good then there was no point because it was just several months at once instead of monthly updates.
On Discord they said that they are both the developers and Nomo does more than art. Obviously I do not know all the facts but I think we should not forget Nomo because he is the main reason this game is popular.
Most renpy games are like this but KOD has let you use old saves. On Discord they said that it is necessary to replay this time because the coding has changed. I hope that they will go back to the old system once that is done.
TheHiddenOne
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I wonder. Do they claim anywhere that being a Patreon means that you get meaningful monthly updates?
It isn't really robbing if you don't deliver what you don't promise.
Also, remember, if they do this even a bit professional than you need to ignore TLS and such stuff.. Why?
Because that is Sierras *hobby* while she works for Hreinn during, well, working hours.
I don't think they want to rip anyone off, if they wanted they need to work on their technique a bit..
More empty promises and no updates for the unpaying masses. But Sierra eve nanswers question from those who are msot prob not paying anything and is generalyl a pretty friendly person.
I know of at least one in this business (Akabur) who bluntly says that you will not really get much vor supporting him aside from his thanks. Why? Because you are a supporter and not an investor.
It isn't really robbing if you don't deliver what you don't promise.
Also, remember, if they do this even a bit professional than you need to ignore TLS and such stuff.. Why?
Because that is Sierras *hobby* while she works for Hreinn during, well, working hours.
I don't think they want to rip anyone off, if they wanted they need to work on their technique a bit..
More empty promises and no updates for the unpaying masses. But Sierra eve nanswers question from those who are msot prob not paying anything and is generalyl a pretty friendly person.
I know of at least one in this business (Akabur) who bluntly says that you will not really get much vor supporting him aside from his thanks. Why? Because you are a supporter and not an investor.
TheMagister
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Any new scenes in this update as it seems to end after the horn gods night if ur siding with tekrok
TheHiddenOne
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No new Scenes., since 0.3.4 is just a patched version of 0.3.0 .
Content patches increase the second number (which means that you need to wait for 0.4.y for new content)
Or in other words 0.x.y means that we are on content patch x with bugfix number y . ^^
Content patches increase the second number (which means that you need to wait for 0.4.y for new content)
Or in other words 0.x.y means that we are on content patch x with bugfix number y . ^^
shady31
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It's not anyone's "fault", it's by design. Pledging to a creator is not a monthly subscription to their content.
TheMagister
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