VN Ren'Py Abandoned Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

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wow the new little game is sure a slow start. No introduction to our characters, who they are and what they want. No tension. "I want allies and I know you have assets" "Im a spooky succubus". Just another life sim. Which is alright if it wasnt modeled after this game. And thats not to mention the unfortunate body proportions are back.

My eyes glaze over
 
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klopen said:
wow the new little game is sure a slow start. No introduction to our characters, who they are and what they want. No tension. "I want allies and I know you have assets" "Im a spooky succubus". Just another life sim. Which is alright if it wasnt modeled after this game. And thats not to mention the unfortunate body proportions are back.

My eyes glaze over
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what the new game has a page now? where?
 
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Jinsoyun said:
No new thread. It was linked on page 687 if you want to check it out.
A fair warning tho, considering your other post: it's set in the middle of a human town in a human brothel, so expect humans and a short prologue.
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Dude no worries,I have no problem with human content,im not a furry or crazy about minotaur or whatever content.
I just want it to be quality. those I mentioned were the best before.
 
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RandomServant77 said:
IT IS TIME TO JOIN TOGETHER AND LAUGH

How many "recycled assets" to "speed up production"?
How short the "strong indipendent woman" to "dumb bimbo bitch" pipeline?
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to be fair I know alot of "strong independent women" who are actually into being turned into dumb bimbo bitches. It is not just a male fantasy for the most part.
 
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adhitya_harka said:
A lot, in real life? I thought if that really happened maybe just a few
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I invite you to find out,it is not hard looking at tinder,insta,snap,etc. or just dating or looking at women in general,there are varying degrees,some are more open to admiting it,some are not,atleast in the porn/bdsm scene it is probably a challange to find a woman that is not slutty atleast. And I learned from talking to dozens if not hundreds I dont keep count,that the more stressful the life the more they want to be a bimbo or slut in private but not for anyone,some do go full exhibitionist.
Most into this are coporate slaves,say many described themselves like this or doctors/nurses/in the medical field anyhow.

Edit: I did not have much problem turning some dom women into subs or atleast making them admit they are slutty. So not only sub women are like this.
 
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microskills said:
Genuinely sad that the game got shafted, but the painting was on the wall a long time ago.

TL;DR: No management, no game.

Though to be fair I think that Sierre's ambition doomed the project from the start, or rather the lack of management (which I'll pretty much repeat endless in this rant lol), if she wanted this grandiose multi-layered visual novel with combat, mini games and what not, I think it's pretty clear they should've done:

Core game: Sabia's fall from grace -> hustling and fucking orcs -> She gets close to the throne -> The end
Expansions: Sabia gets her revenge, Sabia takes over the kingdom

The scope was waaay out there especially if Sierre had worked with Nomo before, that said... Sierre leaving caused enough problems with no one to pushback against any idea that went against Sierre's established writting (hence the drop in quality when it comes to writing).

I don't know how many small patreon "studios" blowing up their good will it's going to take to make them understand you need someone who can take on the role of manager if you're going to have a team bigger than 2 (hell even 2 can blow up).


Since it's odd that it's specifically the Western adult game scene that is struggling this much with this, if you look at the Japanese scene it's very consistent.

You either got:
  • Circle support (which can range from social networking to contract freelance work to collaborative teams which is what a lot turned into)
  • Solo dev with some freelance support
  • Small hardcore team with strict management (ONEONE1, Black Lilith, etc.)
Maybe it's because of how "underground" the average adult game maker in the west have to be? Maybe it's something else, but it's painfully clear that the "self-employer" model is not sustainable for gamedev.

Speaking from personal experience a "hobby/self-employed" project is usually a lot more destruct to your well-being because any free-time is considered "wasted hours", it really messes with your psyche.

That said regardless if what transpired with Sierre is true (that she felt Nomo was unprofessional which... seems correct given the shit show), since even if Sierre was too ambitious, didn't want to do certain story writing (non-con, bestiality or whatever else); that's most her personal taste than an active choice made during the development of the game (you can still criticize that taste though, afaik she wrote things she normally wouldn't want to write about in Noxian Nights due to in part fans and Nomo wanting her to).

Instead it's how (lack of) management clearly didn't reel in her personal ideas and made them productive if that WAS the case; same goes for Nomo though, either they quit, work part time or work full time - it's that simple.



I have my doubts that Hreinn stalling was doing this out of greed, I certainly understand the frustration from people saying as such, but I think it's more likely the case that again poor leadership put too much trust into the unstable artist that sure had 1 game under their belt, but most likely caused the writer to quit partially due to it.
Since if we flip the script a bit:
If you're in a DND group with a competent but 'unstable' DM and one day they don't show up to the group, the first time you might make up an excuse for it to try and just stall for more time, since if you start looking for a new DM and the person comes back (Nomo in this case) it'll 100% cause drama and be especially destructive if your group were relying on the DM's DND set.

So it was a damn if you do; damn if you don't, mind you, not trying to defend Monsinne here, they fucked up by not stepping up to be the manager of the project or doing a piss poor job being the unofficial person for it, but it's so painfully clear that if someone in Hreinn Games did some basic 101 administration, then Sierre wouldn't have left and either Nomo step up, get downgraded or replaced.

Since if someone leaves the project and it's not with a neon light saying "ILLNESS/FAMILY/NEW ADVENTURE" but instead they go and do their own thing, you fucked up management wise.

Either way I think it would've been smarter to do a new game that is promised to be short (1 year deadline to make sure the new artist won't do a Nomo), than just doing a spin-off, especially if there are copyright concerns (which if so... how the hell no one can look up HBomb Games situation and learn to make sure the Company/Studio/Collaboration/Cooperative has the copyright not the artist is beyond me).




Who knows maybe in the year 5000 when we figure out pararell universe travel can we visit the universe where the gang stuck together and got Game of the Year award for KoD, but alas until then we live in the shitiverse.
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the end made me chuckle,cause there totally isnt more problems into this world than the "gang splitting up"

Anyway I agree with some points but overall I hard disagree that it was Sierra at fault,she if anything to go by her other games was the best voice in the team,with the art,vision and so many others,I played her other games and had a blast,not the best in terms of graphics as many are old but the story is great and generally we should have more women writte or make porn games,Karlssons gambit is another example and probably one of the top games on this site,atleast when it comes to femdom but it has a great story,characters n dialogue in addition to world building that it should be in the top even if some people arent into femdom.

I do agree that the model of managment and lone wolf type is not a good business model and should be changed like you said with some circle/freelance support but generally I must say the easiest fix would be to ban crowdfunding and releasing games unfinished,go back to releasing only finished ones,this way then we will eliminate all the unserious and generally clowns who think that anyone can be a game developer,which is stupid and wrong,devs n players should have standards. None of the AI bullshit or rushed milking games.
 
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Karl Speidel said:
It is not just a male fantasy for the most part.
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Let's not mix real women with fantasy game women. The main problem was that Monsinne's writing did not play up some fetish or humiliation thing, it merely made Sabia retarded.

Also just for funsies remember that The Last Sovereign ( https://f95zone.to/threads/the-last-sovereign-v0-81-2-sierra-lee.616/ ) got his 1.0 on Steam today, go play that one and weep for what it could have been if they managed to keep Sierra onboard.

But I'm sure that recycled-content-with-sparse-bimbo-updates will compare. Any day now.
 
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Let's not mix real women with fantasy game women. The main problem was that Monsinne's writing did not play up some fetish or humiliation thing, it merely made Sabia retarded.

Also just for funsies remember that The Last Sovereign ( https://f95zone.to/threads/the-last-sovereign-v0-81-2-sierra-lee.616/ ) got his 1.0 on Steam today, go play that one and weep for what it could have been if they managed to keep Sierra onboard.

But I'm sure that recycled-content-with-sparse-bimbo-updates will compare. Any day now.
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There are any number of men and women, some who would identitfy as "hetero" or "vanilla" thatdo find themselves barreling down a pathway to submission and beginning a journey exploring variious kinks. To many "high powered" individuals are survivors the idea of surrendering control or "not having to think" is appealing bc in your waking life when you truly believe everything depends on maintaining control it IS a relief to let it go.

But as it was all ready said the execution and writing style wasn't in line with the previously established themes of this game. You'll find my various comments over the years on this thread one of which mentions this was one of the few times I did my first ever run and it FELT NATURAL to play as independent Sabia who sometimes used sex and submissiveness as a weapon and only later on did I really truly want the sub or sex slave route (mostly bc I'm a sucker for ritualistic shit and hey you know Ornshakar likes it too)

THe problem clearly was MANYFOLD there numerous issues but none so blatantly horrible as not communicating or being honest with your fans and patreons of which I did give them my money for a while until it was very, very clear that thiswas on a path to it's own death.

I advise you to give nothing to these liars and appreciate what fun you may have had fapping to it in the past.
 
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