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famine1111

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I ran into a problem where the dendroid died from bleed and didn't give me any items after the fight, specifically the head for a quest. If I tried to turn in the the quest at the arms dealer then it would advance a dialog then get stuck with no way to advance the scene. Luckily I saved right before the fight so I just had to redo it once.
 

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Can anyone mention to me the Quest number/names of the various time-sensitive and otherwise end up having 'unavoidable circumstances unfolding' type quests? Other than
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tags? This game needs one, if they do indeed exist. I would have either skipped this game entirely or at least have had the head's up beforehand that I might get triggered when playing.

Anywho, I will admit, I nearly quit the game when I watched the aforementioned and thus spoiler'd scenes unfold since the content itself was grim and personally affected me. I was caught entirely off-guard and taken by surprise by that stuff, and it also seemed to give players no choice but to fail and move on from an otherwise important and compelling storyline. I'd appreciate any head's up in terms of similar content going forward through this game.

I am usually all-for the sort of replay-ability that several routes/optional quests can take a player down - but I would rather avoid another mishap like that. So far, the game has been great, otherwise. Good writing, good art, neat combat mechanics, and I enjoy the inventory/gear management system as well as the crafting options as well. It's just stuff like above that gets me in a foul mood and stuff. I appreciate anyone who replies with the requested information!
 

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Can anyone mention to me the Quest number/names of the various time-sensitive and otherwise end up having 'unavoidable circumstances unfolding' type quests? Other than
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tags? This game needs one, if they do indeed exist. I would have either skipped this game entirely or at least have had the head's up beforehand that I might get triggered when playing.

Anywho, I will admit, I nearly quit the game when I watched the aforementioned and thus spoiler'd scenes unfold since the content itself was grim and personally affected me. I was caught entirely off-guard and taken by surprise by that stuff, and it also seemed to give players no choice but to fail and move on from an otherwise important and compelling storyline. I'd appreciate any head's up in terms of similar content going forward through this game.

I am usually all-for the sort of replay-ability that several routes/optional quests can take a player down - but I would rather avoid another mishap like that. So far, the game has been great, otherwise. Good writing, good art, neat combat mechanics, and I enjoy the inventory/gear management system as well as the crafting options as well. It's just stuff like above that gets me in a foul mood and stuff. I appreciate anyone who replies with the requested information!
Make The Elf hold a seance (you need to find her mother before she dies for that though) for the best outcome... honestly I wasn't even aware you could be to late by waiting... I wished I could have been there ealier but the game demands this brutal ending... I get it... but it still seems such a pointless dead.
There are some Quest hinting an urgency but so far there wasn't a real penality (aside of certain Characters becomeing unavailable until the Quest is cleared) as far as I can tell
 
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Make The Elf hold a seance (you need to find her mother before she dies for that though) for the best outcome... honestly I wasn't even aware you could be to late by waiting... I wished I could have been there ealier but the game demands this brutal ending... I get it... but it still seems such a pointless dead.
There are some Quest hinting an urgency but so far there wasn't a real penality (aside of certain Characters becomeing unavailable until the Quest is cleared) as far as I can tell
Tbh it sucks to me that it can't be saved the elf milf, but sucks more the Deus Ex Machina that it's needed to save the elf girl, i mean, we all know that in this kind of game what it's expected is an harem, something that could be adding that elf milf, but there are something more important, the work in the relationship between the characters, specially with the elf girl, it's more close to a Stockholm's Syndrome than a relationship...
... Good writing...
Well, there are parts that are good, but i like to tend to think in what kind of character had the writer in mind when the overall story was developing and what deeds are compensated as prize, i mean, one of the first things MC did was lying to the Witch because otherwise MC dies by being unwise, dumb and disrespectful to her. With the elf girl, again, to save her MC needed to lie to her (and this is still the main response if MC got late, which makes it worse because not only MC is a liar but irresponsible too), with the "new solution" if MC was on time when the attack is performed, MC can ask for a seanse but still he can't say the truth at first hand (yes, she's extremely sensitive because all the trauma she had experieced, but MC could watch her after told her the truth, hearing strange noises as he as a hunter could have guessed something wrong to enter jit to save her and give her motivation to live), the elf girl is still no free by any means, it seems superficially but she doesn't have a protection like the redhead girl saved from the cave with a ring that change her appearance (which makes me remember that MC steal it from the nuns, as the option to forge another bright by it's absence, it would be marvelous if with one of those in the elf girl finger with her own amulet she could go to the grave of her mom with Hunter, to gifting us a more hearthful scene where the spirit of the elf girl mom finally appears to say goodbye with the help of the holy energy that fills the amulet), moreover, the elf girl depends on MC for shelter, food, clothes (yes, i know this kind of things can come later but it bugs me that MC could go free into her pants [with a practical sense of given permission by her dead mom]), and yes, i know may (if not all) of us desire that elf girl since day 1 FEYADA's team put her in the game, but damn, the game had passed like two years without news of the sister of MC until v0.35 iirc, and still, the more criticize thing is how they developed first handed the elf girl story, i don't know how the patreons react to their resolved but to me it's still a hole plot done to save the situation instead of recurring to a most mundane but still possibility, after all, knowing how sensitive a person is, the traumatic events passed on that person and in circumstances that is imprison in a room that cannot get out freely and now with that chance had lose every loved ones, i don't know how MC could just pay 20 gold to sleep 6 hours leaving that person in that state...
 
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hearing strange noises as he as a hunter could have guessed something wrong to enter jit to save her and give her motivation to live)
MC isn't around most of the time and someone wanting to die can't be saved that easily... she could just run out of the Inn at any time and get arrested by the guards.
remember that MC steal it from the nuns,
If you chose to help the brunette Nun that night she willingly give it to him... even tells him where it is though.
t would be marvelous if with one of those in the elf girl finger with her own amulet she could go to the grave of her mom with Hunter, to gifting us a more hearthful scene where the spirit of the elf girl mom finally appears to say goodbye with the help of the holy energy that fills the amulet)
The amulet absorbs any form of magic nearby... the ring would only be a simple trinket than... also the reason the MC is in such a hurry to make that seance is because there is a strict time limit for it and he barely makes it as the ghost of the mother is in the process of transition, which is the end of the seance.
 

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Ayo Guys o7

Short Question crossed my mind when looking at the new skillsystem.
How do i earn enough points for it? I do know some quest give Skillpoints.
I presume normal hunting does give you skillpoints at certain thresholds?

Or am i mistaken? Been a while since i played KP so thats why i ask
 

Evangelion-01

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Ayo Guys o7

Short Question crossed my mind when looking at the new skillsystem.
How do i earn enough points for it? I do know some quest give Skillpoints.
I presume normal hunting does give you skillpoints at certain thresholds?

Or am i mistaken? Been a while since i played KP so thats why i ask
Only Quest give them... in the last Version you could acumulate enough to max out 6 Skills (as in Level 5 being max) and have 1 Skillpoint left... unless I missed something
 

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MC isn't around most of the time and someone wanting to die can't be saved that easily... she could just run out of the Inn at any time and get arrested by the guards.
Yep, it is a risk but something that never was taken, even before and after the event in which Hunter give the amulet to her she never run out of the room, she knows that doing so is a death sentence, if not by the hands of town's guards it will be by the shaman of her ppl, she's fucked anyway, the thing is dude, what i'm trying to make you understand is that Hunter sucks sometimes in being empathetic, as i described before, she lose everything important for her and with no reason to live, there's not even a trying to veil for her in that sad state, imagine for a minute that you found an illegal immigrant in your country, you know that if you notify the authorities she'll deported in her third worldly country full of shit in war with communist and whatever shenanigans, so, then you as the Inn Owner did, you do likely the same for her, then you does as Hunter does and end telling her that you find that her family was deported or worst, got drowned trying to get into your country, how that would make for her that kind of news?, would you think that a person in that circumstances would just pass all that emotional stuff by the next morning?.
If you chose to help the brunette Nun that night she willingly give it to him... even tells him where it is though.
Yes, but only if you choose to help her... But remember, he planned to steal it first handed, it's just a casualty that she needed help that night, that's other odd thing about MC, aside being Hunter, if the hunting goes bad surely he have other methods to survive lol.
The amulet absorbs any form of magic nearby... the ring would only be a simple trinket than... also the reason the MC is in such a hurry to make that seance is because there is a strict time limit for it and he barely makes it as the ghost of the mother is in the process of transition, which is the end of the seance.
About the ring, perhaps, who knows anyway... After the big trouble she is she still isn't recognize by anyone... Regarding the seance, a plot hole is a plot hole pal, it's granted since v0.35 after patreons got raged because they followed the instructions and they could never save the elf milf, and only appear to "reward" those who willingly try to do the right thing in a game, and remember:
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This game is still a VN, for whatever reasons in F95zone for the tag absence in this thread, you can get to another outcome without recurring into magic to solve a situation, specially for a LI, yep, we could argue the same for the readhead girl saved in the cave, but the players need to resolve her problem in the same way as she cannot travel to another town safety nor send money to her family (iirc she still does) considering the distance, in her case, we can think that the ring shit works as a plastic surgery; but what about the elf girl?, she lose everything and most important she's a LI, so, building confidence and bonds are important, specially if you consider you are building a VN with dating-sim elements, the option added emerge as an option that solved a situation that can work as a catalyst for MC to become in someone special for her, but in the way they resolved it it just put an end to the drama, the trauma and in a practical sense the spirit of her mom give us license with her daughter, a shit that doesn't make any fucking sense giving that she know shit about MC and about how her daughter was treated all that time except for a letter in which her child could just omitted things to not worry nor giving bad ideas to her mom about the ppl who are "helping her", you as a parent, you can't just trust blindly whatever your child says about strangers, specially those that came from ppl that your ppl distrust for long time (even before you born).
 

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Yep, it is a risk but something that never was taken, even before and after the event in which Hunter give the amulet to her she never run out of the room, she knows that doing so is a death sentence, if not by the hands of town's guards it will be by the shaman of her ppl, she's fucked anyway, the thing is dude, what i'm trying to make you understand is that Hunter sucks sometimes in being empathetic, as i described before, she lose everything important for her and with no reason to live, there's not even a trying to veil for her in that sad state, imagine for a minute that you found an illegal immigrant in your country, you know that if you notify the authorities she'll deported in her third worldly country full of shit in war with communist and whatever shenanigans, so, then you as the Inn Owner did, you do likely the same for her, then you does as Hunter does and end telling her that you find that her family was deported or worst, got drowned trying to get into your country, how that would make for her that kind of news?, would you think that a person in that circumstances would just pass all that emotional stuff by the next morning?.
I think the Hunter is pretty strongly empathic about the Elf and others on the matter (just thinking bout how he questions the armsdealer about her mother and Arachne)... it's why he beats himself up about upholding the promise of keeping her mothers death a secret and instead makes her realise it herself thanks to seance giving her chance to say goodbye.
Any other outcome like MC failing to arrive to meet her mother in time is the bad end route so you getting a bad end shouldn't be that surprising.
MC is aware that he can't hide the trueth from her forever and if he won't be able to save her from there... the next time she meets the druid or any of his henchmen she'd learn from their boasting... better let her know and give her chance to say goodbye, than grieve in peace... gaining the will to life and take revenge.
What I am trying to say is if the Elf wants to die she won't have to hang herself... she is a herbalist, mage and in a hostile enviorment... blasting herself up running into guards or poisining herself should be a possibility the Hunter can't save her from any of this unless he binds her to the bed and gags her to prevent her from biting her tongue or scream until the guards check on her.
If your father was killed in a shot and run away or killed in a traffic accident would you like to know from a friend or learn about it from the news?
Yes, but only if you choose to help her... But remember, he planned to steal it first handed, it's just a casualty that she needed help that night, that's other odd thing about MC, aside being Hunter, if the hunting goes bad surely he have other methods to survive lol.
The Hunter berates his sister about stealing right at the start... I haven't tried avoiding the nun since that would also lock her up as a love interest... maybe he would leave behind some coins as compensation?
The guy is more rightous than most guards in that town.
it's granted since v0.35 after patreons got raged because they followed the instructions and they could never save the elf milf, and only appear to "reward" those who willingly try to do the right thing in a game, and remember:
I don't know anything about the Patreon stuff and don't think that I'd follow any closer... the game evolves and changes that's pretty normal for a game.
This game is still a VN, for whatever reasons in F95zone for the tag absence in this thread
VN lovers tend to run amok if a sandbox game is called a VN... and given the RPG Elements in the game they'd slaugther the thread for sure... it's an interactive game with VN storytelling I gues.
Also all tories have Options that CAN lead to different outcomes... sometimes it's a game over sometimes it blocks content... and case of the Elf can end in a Drama, which moves the game further away of being a simple VN.
sense the spirit of her mom give us license with her daughter, a shit that doesn't make any fucking sense giving that she know shit about MC and about how her daughter was treated all that time except for a letter in which her child could just omitted things to not worry nor giving bad ideas to her mom about the ppl who are "helping her", you as a parent, you can't just trust blindly whatever your child says about strangers, specially those that came from ppl that your ppl distrust for long time (even before you born).
That's if her mother was a racist as the rest of her ind... unless you'd generalise saying that all people from a country obviusly share the same racism equally... which if in question was never true... people being uneducated about others tend to have prejudices... but that isn't racism... her daugther telling her of her plight and how she found people willing to help her and keep her from falling to despair should be enough to put her trust into those words and people as she is described as an open person she might even had decided to live with her daugther among humans if she hadn't died.
 

Loreth08

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Guys you know this game has a new game+/skip when you start it right? It's not one of those cheaped out "Skip to the latest update" ones either where if you skipped a couple of updates then you're screwed because it'll skip those quests too. This game gets a lot of shit for not carrying over saves between updates but it lets you skip to the exact quest you've gotten up to in the last versions whenever you play. Before the overhaul update the persistent save would still remember the dialogue you already read and even after it you can still keep the gallery you unlocked (which is why I always move my save files to the new version even if I can't load them).
It's not like "Of Devotion and Despondence" for example which makes you redo every thing each update. I genuinely wonder, how many people here who complain about the saves always breaking even know about the New Game+ which has been in the game for, what at least a year now?
I don't think you understand the point of my rant post.
I have no problem with starting over, I just want to do it after a few more updates. (Something that everyone else does)

My actual Issue is that my current GOLD and INVENTORY not being carried over due to previous saves not working in the later updates. All that grind GONE!

Can you guarantee me that I will have the same gold and items that I worked hard for in the new version, if I used the new game+ to skip the same quests that i had finished in the previous version? (No, I would rather not use cheats or save edits)

Most of these complaints about previous saves not working would vanish if the developers would upgrade the new game+ so that you can also add gold and items to your inventory. This would also also solve the issue of players not playing or leaving the game cuz it's too grindy. Not to mention the players that only want the story.

Realistically, it will be a long time before previous saves could be played in the next updates.
There is still so many elements missing. The character/inventory screen hint at a party system, then there MIGHT be a leveling system and the attribute point system for the other characters and so that they won't have to keep updating monster difficulty.
Grinding hunt for just materials doesn't make sense if you don't get any other benefit from it. The current skills can be set as "perks" instead of skills, since their points come from quests and not leveling in hunts and their effects are in percentage anyway.
Besides, how the hell are we supposed to beat Arachne if we would always need that little statue? Not to mention, it is hinted that Arachne is just a lieutenant or something in some unknown organization.

Point is, the new game + is good but it could be better. It would be able to cater both to he dislikes and likes of players and even be a great temporary fix.
A bug that prevents you from killing a new mob and getting the drop need for a new quest? Sure! You can go back to the new game+ window!
You want to role-play and/or continue your previous save, but it's incompatible and you lost all the stuff you grinded for HOURS? Sure!
You want to treat it as a pure VN and just wanna play the new quests and follow the story, but hate the grind? Sure!

Can you imagine the sheer frustration if they do decide to implement new systems with just the same new game+ mode and then you find out that you had to re-grind not only your items, level, and gold, but also your party members' too?

"What?! I already had 5 bear heart and 4 Treant sap in my inventory! Now I have to grind again."
"Dude! I fished a purple quality glove from the pond in my previous save! Where is it? What, do I have to buy 1 now instead?"
"Why am I just lvl 8? I was already lvl 12 when I finished the same quests." (If they do add a leveling system)
...and many more.

I hope everyone can now understand the problem and possible problems with previous saves being incompatible with new versions.
 

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Today, we are releasing a new update for the game, Version 0.38, in which the bugs that’ve been discovered in the previous versions of the game have been fixed.

Here’s a full list of all of the fixes and new features in the game:

  • Added a “skip” option to the survival minigame in Quest 13 and labyrinth minigame in Quest 22. You can now skip each minigame after the death of the main character.
  • Added a “+5 Skill Points” option to the cheat menu.
  • Implemented significant improvements to the combat system that enhance the stability of battles themselves.
  • Upon killing a goblin, you now get back all of the gold that it stole.
  • Fixed a bug involving the game freezing after fleeing from monsters.
  • Fixed a bug involving the game freezing after finishing off a monster with a critical hit.
  • Fixed a bug involving the game freezing in Quest 13 and Quest 22.
  • Fixed a bug with sleeping in Quest 31.

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I think the Hunter is pretty strongly empathic about the Elf and others on the matter (just thinking bout how he questions the armsdealer about her mother and Arachne)... it's why he beats himself up about upholding the promise of keeping her mothers death a secret and instead makes her realise it herself thanks to seance giving her chance to say goodbye.
Any other outcome like MC failing to arrive to meet her mother in time is the bad end route so you getting a bad end shouldn't be that surprising.
MC is aware that he can't hide the trueth from her forever and if he won't be able to save her from there... the next time she meets the druid or any of his henchmen she'd learn from their boasting... better let her know and give her chance to say goodbye, than grieve in peace... gaining the will to life and take revenge.
What I am trying to say is if the Elf wants to die she won't have to hang herself... she is a herbalist, mage and in a hostile enviorment... blasting herself up running into guards or poisining herself should be a possibility the Hunter can't save her from any of this unless he binds her to the bed and gags her to prevent her from biting her tongue or scream until the guards check on her.
If your father was killed in a shot and run away or killed in a traffic accident would you like to know from a friend or learn about it from the news?
When Hunter is talking with the armdealer question about her mother, there is a weird option for the player to choose to be sensitive or try to be quick (which would resulted in the same outcome but less sensitive with her), i mean, Hunter is a MC done to make the players most of the nature of the character Hunter is, but there are situations in which we as players are fucked, like in the beginning where an important choice matters to save the priest as example, we are forced to lie, to help the redhead girl saved from the cave Hunter planned first handed to steal the ring (leave money in the place where there was the ring if you decide to not help the nun isn't a solution because there wasn't properly a fair trade, it's still theft), that's something to considerate in how the mind of Hunter works without the influence of players because for example, Hunter could think to talk to the nuns in the day but he goes during the night to strike there by force to have the ring, after all, the ring could be exchange fairly doing-giving something.

Following the last thought, another situation can be the elf mom, he never thought that she could be put in risk by contacting her, he could think in asking to the elf girl how he can track elves in the forest to be more prepare in the gathering, better is we forget that preventive thought and do Hunter be aware of the importance of that gathering to assist in time by giving messages like (i can't "hunt-sleep-fuck the nun" now it's time for the gathering (without changing the outcome in which the elf milf is attacked but at least make us understand that Hunter is aware of the importance of that), there are odd behavior in him, perhaps a decision of the writer to give him flaws to look more human instead of a complete Gary Stu, but there's situations in which whatever the "good" intentions of him sometimes he can end affecting negatively to others, and some of this instances can't be avoided, others can be avoided just by pure casualty.

But regarding the elf girl you must remember that very same option isn't available to all outcomes nor less was there the first time this quest came out, the solution given is a Deus Ex Machina in the very definition of it, it resolves everything instead of the characters to work themselves on it, yep, there's no way to prevent all situations (specially given the fact that she's alone in that room), but Hunter don't even try to care for her in that state, to look over her if she could calm down or try to give her some food or try to talk to her a few hours later, he just goes to sleep until the next morning (or if the player remember to look for her at the next morning) to see her death long time ago and too late to even try to do something for her, a person in that state and situation, would you just leave her alone as if she just could recover on her own as if she was stolen her goods or something like that?, dude, remember is a person who lost everything, her entire family and her home (as she can't come back).
The Hunter berates his sister about stealing right at the start... I haven't tried avoiding the nun since that would also lock her up as a love interest... maybe he would leave behind some coins as compensation?
The guy is more rightous than most guards in that town.
As i stated before, he's not perfect, one thing is that he berates his sister but other is planned to enter in the church at night to take the ring by force (still, leave money there would not be legit as there wasn't never a fair trade). That would just make us understand more how the mind of Hunter works, perhaps in his youth he was a thief, but he left that behind when he could become a Hunter, perhaps that's the reason his sister thought in that in the first place, this is just a supposition, the game itself need to explain this but we can think that Hunter as brother try to protect his sister in not committing his very same mistakes from the past.
I don't know anything about the Patreon stuff and don't think that I'd follow any closer... the game evolves and changes that's pretty normal for a game.
Well, yes that's normal, when i wrote that i was interested in the opinion of that ppl who are financially supporting the game, if they got satisfied for the outcome because as far as we knew by those users who politely share news from the Patreon, the patreons wanted to save the elf milf, they voted for that and that was the winning option so, i was at that moment when i wrote you remembering that and asking myself and freely for anyone reading my lot of text if that ppl just get calm after this outcome.
VN lovers tend to run amok if a sandbox game is called a VN... and given the RPG Elements in the game they'd slaugther the thread for sure... it's an interactive game with VN storytelling I gues.
Also all tories have Options that CAN lead to different outcomes... sometimes it's a game over sometimes it blocks content... and case of the Elf can end in a Drama, which moves the game further away of being a simple VN.
Understandable, but there could be other options to consider that would require more work but with better results in the long term than just use a resource to resolve everything at once.
That's if her mother was a racist as the rest of her ind... unless you'd generalise saying that all people from a country obviusly share the same racism equally... which if in question was never true... people being uneducated about others tend to have prejudices... but that isn't racism... her daugther telling her of her plight and how she found people willing to help her and keep her from falling to despair should be enough to put her trust into those words and people as she is described as an open person she might even had decided to live with her daugther among humans if she hadn't died.
We don't know shit about the elf milf (less about their society as a whole, just the unique perspective of the elf girl), both races as far it's told don't trust each other and have no relations, and those interactions that from time to time appear mostly are bad relations (like the elf girl sister who was murdered or the blacksmith in his youth who was kidnapped and barely could escape). We must remember that the elf girl was going to be sacrificed and her mom in a practical sense allow it, the way how their society works seems to be very secluded, just a few seems to think in a more open minded way as did the elf girl sister; and do not forget, the elf milf is still the mom of that elf girl, of course she's worry for her, but in her mind one thing would be to comply with their rituals and traditions as their ppl are used to do and other is to trust in a complete stranger from a society so different to yours meanwhile your society teach to each generation that outsiders non elves are bad (if not evil), savages and many other stuff, when you have that you will have a cocktail of ppl where a few will not buy it, others will adjust and comply by fear, other will adjust and comply for their own good while the most dangerous of all will be those who voluntary and willingly will believe and buy all that shenanigans. In a ambient like that it's difficult to be open minded and moreover, trust, not only with your pairs but most in strangers.
 

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When Hunter is talking with the armdealer question about her mother, there is a weird option for the player to choose to be sensitive or try to be quick (which would resulted in the same outcome but less sensitive with her), i mean, Hunter is a MC done to make the players most of the nature of the character Hunter is, but there are situations in which we as players are fucked, like in the beginning where an important choice matters to save the priest as example, we are forced to lie, to help the redhead girl saved from the cave Hunter planned first handed to steal the ring (leave money in the place where there was the ring if you decide to not help the nun isn't a solution because there wasn't properly a fair trade, it's still theft), that's something to considerate in how the mind of Hunter works without the influence of players because for example, Hunter could think to talk to the nuns in the day but he goes during the night to strike there by force to have the ring, after all, the ring could be exchange fairly doing-giving something.
The Nuns try to hide that they were apprentices to the witch, and the ring connects them directly to her, they are also rather alarmed around the hunter until he helps them in several encounters unlocked after this choice... ask them to get the ring is most likely resulting in them denying any knowledge of the item he seeks and if it disappears after they'd know whom to suspect.
Sure if this Quest would be able to be triggered after befrinding the nuns this would be an option but given the Quest conditions that's currently not an option.
Following the last thought, another situation can be the elf mom, he never thought that she could be put in risk by contacting her, he could think in asking to the elf girl how he can track elves in the forest to be more prepare in the gathering
The Elf is very elusive about whom the Hunter should expect to meet in the Forest... as far as he goes he expects some wild animal like a Wolf or Bear most likely... just hopeing the one won't attack him on sight.
Nothing the elf said indicated that he would meet another Elf
But regarding the elf girl you must remember that very same option isn't available to all outcomes nor less was there the first time this quest came out, the solution given is a Deus Ex Machina in the very definition of it, it resolves everything instead of the characters to work themselves on it, yep, there's no way to prevent all situations (specially given the fact that she's alone in that room), but Hunter don't even try to care for her in that state, to look over her if she could calm down or try to give her some food or try to talk to her a few hours later, he just goes to sleep until the next morning (or if the player remember to look for her at the next morning) to see her death long time ago and too late to even try to do something for her, a person in that state and situation, would you just leave her alone as if she just could recover on her own as if she was stolen her goods or something like that?, dude, remember is a person who lost everything, her entire family and her home (as she can't come back).
And what would you have done to such a terrible hurt and grieving person?
Some wounds can't be healed with white lies, sweet words and "compassion".
We don't know shit about the elf milf (less about their society as a whole, just the unique perspective of the elf girl), both races as far it's told don't trust each other and have no relations, and those interactions that from time to time appear mostly are bad relations (like the elf girl sister who was murdered or the blacksmith in his youth who was kidnapped and barely could escape). We must remember that the elf girl was going to be sacrificed and her mom in a practical sense allow it, the way how their society works seems to be very secluded, just a few seems to think in a more open minded way as did the elf girl sister; and do not forget, the elf milf is still the mom of that elf girl, of course she's worry for her, but in her mind one thing would be to comply with their rituals and traditions as their ppl are used to do and other is to trust in a complete stranger from a society so different to yours meanwhile your society teach to each generation that outsiders non elves are bad (if not evil), savages and many other stuff, when you have that you will have a cocktail of ppl where a few will not buy it, others will adjust and comply by fear, other will adjust and comply for their own good while the most dangerous of all will be those who voluntary and willingly will believe and buy all that shenanigans. In a ambient like that it's difficult to be open minded and moreover, trust, not only with your pairs but most in strangers.
"She wears a hat and has a black cat... she is a witch!"
Peoples prejudices can make others outcasts or even kill them... have 3 people in a group of 10 scream this out loud and the whole group screamed this.
We know about human society and history as the game is close enough to the original human mindset... and the Elf pretty much confirms about Elfs being supremists and isolationists like the common fantasy trope.
So I'd say we know enough about the devs motivation for the races to make an educated gues.
Also as far as I recall the mother and sister worked together to help the girl escape from the beginning... the Elf girl herself originally blindly believed being sacrificed would be an honor.
 

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The Nuns try to hide that they were apprentices to the witch, and the ring connects them directly to her, they are also rather alarmed around the hunter until he helps them in several encounters unlocked after this choice... ask them to get the ring is most likely resulting in them denying any knowledge of the item he seeks and if it disappears after they'd know whom to suspect.
Sure if this Quest would be able to be triggered after befrinding the nuns this would be an option but given the Quest conditions that's currently not an option.
That's another funny near hilarious odd thing in this game, the order of the quest themselves aren't precisely linear, you can active the quest of the elf girl since day 1 in a practical sense, moreover odd is that you can get the very same elf sick and in help for medicine but get late 30 days later and she'll be like it was yesterday (and can happen because there are other quest that are demanding to be done before the elf girl to get assisted properly), still sick with no signs of time passed of her poisonous but if you got late in meeting with her mom she's near a skeleton... Whatever, the thing is, that can be fixed if after done the quest "X" to befriend them you can visit the first floor of the Inn-Tavern, hearing weird noises, then enter in the room to meet for the first time the elf to begin her quest. And even if we forget all that shit i wrote in this paragraph, the nuns wouldn't be dumb to ignore if he came looking for a magic good after helping them having himself to interact with the witch, they would guess that he know their lil dirty secret as ex-apprentices of the witch, it wouldn't kill to ask and try to reach an agreement, specially as Hunter help them without asking anything and whatever he won from them they give them freely and voluntary for his good action.
The Elf is very elusive about whom the Hunter should expect to meet in the Forest... as far as he goes he expects some wild animal like a Wolf or Bear most likely... just hopeing the one won't attack him on sight.
Nothing the elf said indicated that he would meet another Elf
The elves are a very structure, wise, complex and advance society in the terms of the elf girl compared to humans in many ways (as she tries to stated), knowing this, it would be wise to know how to track elves because not only it would be helpful to reach more easily into allies in the forest but at the same time and more important is specially to not meet them... I mean with not meet them because there could be guards of their society near, watching, prepared and ready to kill any human that could be near to trespass their dominions, i remember that the elf girl said that, and wouldn't be a surprise after no other human seems to know their location in the woods (nor even the very same blacksmith who escaped from them and live to tell the story).
And what would you have done to such a terrible hurt and grieving person?
Some wounds can't be healed with white lies, sweet words and "compassion".
That's the work of the writer of this story (if there is a writer and a story u.u... ), but in my case, did you read what i exampled before in a few post?, i'm not a good writer myself but like to read good stories, you could argue her after stopping her intent of suicide that she's the probe of the existence of her family and to not waste their sacrifice to give her the chance to have a life, the chance to find what's worth to live for her after considering that her life was destined into being a sacrifice without having the chance to know for what live, for what fight, for what love and most important, that her life is a thorn for her enemies and she wouldn't just give them easily the favor to die, and if she is in need of help, I (Hunter) will be there (and you can mention the tavern owner too if you wanted).
"She wears a hat and has a black cat... she is a witch!"
Peoples prejudices can make others outcasts or even kill them... have 3 people in a group of 10 scream this out loud and the whole group screamed this.
We know about human society and history as the game is close enough to the original human mindset... and the Elf pretty much confirms about Elfs being supremists and isolationists like the common fantasy trope.
So I'd say we know enough about the devs motivation for the races to make an educated gues.
Also as far as I recall the mother and sister worked together to help the girl escape from the beginning... the Elf girl herself originally blindly believed being sacrificed would be an honor.
I do not remember about the mother helping but she stayed in their home and not accompany her children, if you are sure about that it would be odd, because, for what reason she would just stay there having the risk to be punished to served as a living example of what happened to those who violate their traditions?... Yeah i remember when the elf girl stated that, i was like WTF?! lol...
 
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