Others Last Man + Countdown DLC [v4.23] [Vortex Cannon Ent.]
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Days are limited, because this is a story based game, they are limited in public and club versions. I'll add new playable days when it's needed on the story. There are enough days to complete all the quests.
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I just finished a fifth part. The last with the help of the walkthrough that Liandra left on page 9 (I put this soluce in spoiler at the end of the intervention ;-))
I therefore think that I am legitimate to bring a constructive opinion to this game (V 2.39)
I am about to write some text and I apologize again if I am not 100% understandable (look at my signature, I use google translate).
- I want to add that overall, I like the game. I like the idea. There is a little storyline and a plot. I hope the end will be good otherwise it can break everything.
- I also add that I proposed to the author to help him in the French translation of the game. He seemed interested initially and since I have more answers in private message? (Have you seen or are you not interested anymore? If so, it does not matter and I would not be upset ;-)).
- I read the entire 30 pages of this topic to see the opinion of other players!
Based on the fact that I like the game and that I am ready to help, I hope that my critics will be heard because indeed there are a lot of things that do not go!
! First: No, that's not true! It is IMPOSSIBLE finish the game at 100% in 90 days! Even with the help of the solution, by thoroughly optimizing my actions and in five parts, I am far from having arrived! Overall, I did not have much more content by being meticulous. I do not see myself starting a sixth time the game.
You can see my screenshot: with my best performance, I got 78.07% and I got 27 Alpha. I managed to return a second time to Leesburg. The 90 days stopped me in full mission.
Even by following the soluction step by step, You will not be able to respect the days announced by the latter. Mainly because of the money it takes to accomplish certain missions (in this regard the best way to earn a lot and quickly and spam the most expensive option with the girls at the casino). But even that takes a few days. For example, after losing all the money, you will still have to find more than 300,000 to complete the missions! (in the solution, it does not take more than 2 days for that! It will explain me ;-)); Similarly, you need to have 10 "break" for a mission: to have them, I can say that you will have a lot of luck and spammer the search in the city! again, this time is not taken into account in the solution! In addition, there have been memories of Diana who have added since! (Oddly, seeing these flashbacks costs us time !!!).
About these 90 days: it's not logical with the story. If only there was a countdown because of an upcoming event: explosion, comet falling on the ground, triggering a war at the end of this count ... why not.
But here, nothing justifies stopping the adventure. Having a message that says you did not get there is pretty stupid.
In the worst case, you really have to give the player enough time to complete everything and in the best case simply do not block the player. If you want to give additional exclusive content for club members, why not. But in this case, create parallel stories or a background of some exclusive characters. By doing so you clearly increase the frustration of the players.
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What to change according to my opinion!
In priority and in an essential way:
- Listen to the players ;-) and do not reject the constructive comments in the vast majority. You can see that there is a wave of frustration while the base of your game is pretty good.
- Do not try to trap the player in the hope that he will join the premium club! Opinions will be rather hostile and counterproductive. I come back especially to 90 days!
- Radically change your position with respect to these 90 days!
- Best management and gifts of the Alpha! I arrived at 27 Alpha only thanks to the walkthrough! In the first 5 days crucial choices must be made not to miss. Without this, you will be stuck many times throughout the game! For example, you might be tempted not to hit the tramp at the beginning of the game ... big mistake! If you miss were only one Alpha, you will be blocked !!! Knowing more that to win some Alpha must already have a number of Alpha = the situation is getting worse as and when. Basically, you have to be more generous with the gain of alpha. Such as creating random events that allow to obtain or allow the player to have some margin for future missions.
- Reactivate the system of clues for the quests to be completed. It still goes to Leesburg but from there it's really a mess! For example, it was only thanks to the solution that I knew that I had to spam the search to fall randomly on the bunker and the truck
- Change radically the system of random arrival of the obligatory events: It is necessary to know that I had to click more than 50 times to have both (bunker + Truck)!!! Obviously I came back every time in my backups, but imagine the hardness! it's just almost unplayable! Ditto with the mission given to the dormitory, I had to come back more than twenty times to unlock the missions! How can someone who does not systematically return to his backups can reasonably arrive somewhere in the game? During my fifth part I had to go back more than 400 times (to trigger these events or to have for example the 10 "break" !!! It's just not conceivable !!!!!).
Not primarily:
- There is a lot to change to stay a little coherent with your scenario. I will not list everything here because my post will be long enough. For example, I already mentioned being able to sleep at Pink Rhino once you've invested in it. If you are interested someday in answering my messages, I may help you list what I found inconsistent and improve your scenario a bit.
- The transparency of the text box is bad! Walls the text is barely readable. Moreover when we want to click on the small cross of the text, it often activates the button which is below when there is one. It's really not practical!
- Translated texts often go beyond the text box. It would be necessary to rework this with the translators to see how not to exceed.
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This is already overall what I could say. I hope that you will take into account what seems to me to be constructive observations because globally according to the reading of the posts in this topic, I have the impression that you evade what sometimes is nevertheless interesting.
I initially put 4 * to my comment, but I am obliged to review this rating to 3 * if it remains so. I would gladly increase to 5 * if in the future the author corrects this game in a good way.
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Here is the solution left by Liandra on page 9 (Almost always relevant to V2.39. Impossible to respect, even following step by step, especially towards the end). On the other hand very useful to have the 27 Alpha!
Here is my screenshot when I arrived at 90 days!
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Condenser story in this post, here is also the list of actresses (which can be found on the first page of this topic) from screenshots of videos that have been used by the author.
I therefore think that I am legitimate to bring a constructive opinion to this game (V 2.39)
I am about to write some text and I apologize again if I am not 100% understandable (look at my signature, I use google translate).
- I want to add that overall, I like the game. I like the idea. There is a little storyline and a plot. I hope the end will be good otherwise it can break everything.
- I also add that I proposed to the author to help him in the French translation of the game. He seemed interested initially and since I have more answers in private message? (Have you seen or are you not interested anymore? If so, it does not matter and I would not be upset ;-)).
- I read the entire 30 pages of this topic to see the opinion of other players!
Based on the fact that I like the game and that I am ready to help, I hope that my critics will be heard because indeed there are a lot of things that do not go!
! First: No, that's not true! It is IMPOSSIBLE finish the game at 100% in 90 days! Even with the help of the solution, by thoroughly optimizing my actions and in five parts, I am far from having arrived! Overall, I did not have much more content by being meticulous. I do not see myself starting a sixth time the game.
You can see my screenshot: with my best performance, I got 78.07% and I got 27 Alpha. I managed to return a second time to Leesburg. The 90 days stopped me in full mission.
Even by following the soluction step by step, You will not be able to respect the days announced by the latter. Mainly because of the money it takes to accomplish certain missions (in this regard the best way to earn a lot and quickly and spam the most expensive option with the girls at the casino). But even that takes a few days. For example, after losing all the money, you will still have to find more than 300,000 to complete the missions! (in the solution, it does not take more than 2 days for that! It will explain me ;-)); Similarly, you need to have 10 "break" for a mission: to have them, I can say that you will have a lot of luck and spammer the search in the city! again, this time is not taken into account in the solution! In addition, there have been memories of Diana who have added since! (Oddly, seeing these flashbacks costs us time !!!).
About these 90 days: it's not logical with the story. If only there was a countdown because of an upcoming event: explosion, comet falling on the ground, triggering a war at the end of this count ... why not.
But here, nothing justifies stopping the adventure. Having a message that says you did not get there is pretty stupid.
In the worst case, you really have to give the player enough time to complete everything and in the best case simply do not block the player. If you want to give additional exclusive content for club members, why not. But in this case, create parallel stories or a background of some exclusive characters. By doing so you clearly increase the frustration of the players.
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What to change according to my opinion!
In priority and in an essential way:
- Listen to the players ;-) and do not reject the constructive comments in the vast majority. You can see that there is a wave of frustration while the base of your game is pretty good.
- Do not try to trap the player in the hope that he will join the premium club! Opinions will be rather hostile and counterproductive. I come back especially to 90 days!
- Radically change your position with respect to these 90 days!
- Best management and gifts of the Alpha! I arrived at 27 Alpha only thanks to the walkthrough! In the first 5 days crucial choices must be made not to miss. Without this, you will be stuck many times throughout the game! For example, you might be tempted not to hit the tramp at the beginning of the game ... big mistake! If you miss were only one Alpha, you will be blocked !!! Knowing more that to win some Alpha must already have a number of Alpha = the situation is getting worse as and when. Basically, you have to be more generous with the gain of alpha. Such as creating random events that allow to obtain or allow the player to have some margin for future missions.
- Reactivate the system of clues for the quests to be completed. It still goes to Leesburg but from there it's really a mess! For example, it was only thanks to the solution that I knew that I had to spam the search to fall randomly on the bunker and the truck
- Change radically the system of random arrival of the obligatory events: It is necessary to know that I had to click more than 50 times to have both (bunker + Truck)!!! Obviously I came back every time in my backups, but imagine the hardness! it's just almost unplayable! Ditto with the mission given to the dormitory, I had to come back more than twenty times to unlock the missions! How can someone who does not systematically return to his backups can reasonably arrive somewhere in the game? During my fifth part I had to go back more than 400 times (to trigger these events or to have for example the 10 "break" !!! It's just not conceivable !!!!!).
Not primarily:
- There is a lot to change to stay a little coherent with your scenario. I will not list everything here because my post will be long enough. For example, I already mentioned being able to sleep at Pink Rhino once you've invested in it. If you are interested someday in answering my messages, I may help you list what I found inconsistent and improve your scenario a bit.
- The transparency of the text box is bad! Walls the text is barely readable. Moreover when we want to click on the small cross of the text, it often activates the button which is below when there is one. It's really not practical!
- Translated texts often go beyond the text box. It would be necessary to rework this with the translators to see how not to exceed.
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This is already overall what I could say. I hope that you will take into account what seems to me to be constructive observations because globally according to the reading of the posts in this topic, I have the impression that you evade what sometimes is nevertheless interesting.
I initially put 4 * to my comment, but I am obliged to review this rating to 3 * if it remains so. I would gladly increase to 5 * if in the future the author corrects this game in a good way.
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Here is the solution left by Liandra on page 9 (Almost always relevant to V2.39. Impossible to respect, even following step by step, especially towards the end). On the other hand very useful to have the 27 Alpha!
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Here is my screenshot when I arrived at 90 days!
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@Hesctai
Thanks for the great review.
I've already made a list of changes that will be made to the game next build, based on feedback in recent days. I constantly make changes to all chapters, if it is constructive criticism. I'm here for this
You are right in many aspects, but do not take into account, the events that are now in development. Or misunderstood the mechanics of some events.
For example, a player receive money from a Poker Tournament, or hero's Base. For the time being, they are not yet available in the public version, as they are still in development.
But I think to add more cash rewards for completed quests to make game easier.
Many amateur porn games (even very popular ones) consist of a resource grind. You spend hours doing the same thing to fuck the girl. I originally wanted to make a game where grinding is not necessary at all. Only quests with girls. That's why day are limited. So that the player does not sit for three hours in the Casino, before going to play further. Therefore, if you spam on the city's exploration, then with every click, the chance of success will decrease (that's why it took you so much time). You should go to the casino or explore the city only when there are spare action points in the end of day. Then all important events will come across with a big chance.
You do not need to spam restarts to get a Break skill, you will get it later anyway and you can return to the car.
You do not need to spam exploration to get a truck, you will get it later anyway, as this is minor quest.
Etc.
If you do not fit into 90 days, then come back in a week or two. There will be more days, new quests will appear and you will be able to continue the game.
The game has 200k users, so I have statistics, how many percent players are gaining by the end of playable days. Depending on this, I add new days regularly.
*Many players do not even use food. And the hungry hero spends his action points faster. And then boom, the developer is bad.
I'm also working on a new Quests List. It will show what is done, where you are stuck and what you need further. It will be available to everyone, and it's much more interesting than playing on walkthrough.
PS. I saw your private messages, thank you for the corrections. I'm now drawing new content for Red Pill, so I'll answer you a bit later
Thanks for the great review.
I've already made a list of changes that will be made to the game next build, based on feedback in recent days. I constantly make changes to all chapters, if it is constructive criticism. I'm here for this
You are right in many aspects, but do not take into account, the events that are now in development. Or misunderstood the mechanics of some events.
For example, a player receive money from a Poker Tournament, or hero's Base. For the time being, they are not yet available in the public version, as they are still in development.
But I think to add more cash rewards for completed quests to make game easier.
Many amateur porn games (even very popular ones) consist of a resource grind. You spend hours doing the same thing to fuck the girl. I originally wanted to make a game where grinding is not necessary at all. Only quests with girls. That's why day are limited. So that the player does not sit for three hours in the Casino, before going to play further. Therefore, if you spam on the city's exploration, then with every click, the chance of success will decrease (that's why it took you so much time). You should go to the casino or explore the city only when there are spare action points in the end of day. Then all important events will come across with a big chance.
You do not need to spam restarts to get a Break skill, you will get it later anyway and you can return to the car.
You do not need to spam exploration to get a truck, you will get it later anyway, as this is minor quest.
Etc.
If you do not fit into 90 days, then come back in a week or two. There will be more days, new quests will appear and you will be able to continue the game.
The game has 200k users, so I have statistics, how many percent players are gaining by the end of playable days. Depending on this, I add new days regularly.
*Many players do not even use food. And the hungry hero spends his action points faster. And then boom, the developer is bad.
I'm also working on a new Quests List. It will show what is done, where you are stuck and what you need further. It will be available to everyone, and it's much more interesting than playing on walkthrough.
PS. I saw your private messages, thank you for the corrections. I'm now drawing new content for Red Pill, so I'll answer you a bit later
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Thank you for your answer, it's motivating to see that you take into account what we say. I look forward to seeing if such changes will come into being in future updates.
Ok, it's better not to spam and the events will come after. However we need the money to unlock the scenes: Pink Rhino / the two sisters / seduce Oksana / ... we must spend any time at the casino to get this money (I did it well with my remaining shares; -)). The truck is in my opinion not so minor because it allows to have the bottles of alcohol. These unlock other scenes via the dormitory. so that's part of the story 100%.
In short, if we have to "wait" for events to come, you can not reasonably say that you can reach 100% of public content in 90 days! it's impossible. And I would not believe your statistics if they say the opposite. For example, for missions to the dormitory for example, if I did not go back in my backups, I would have spent more than 7 days to get both missions. Maybe 2% of your users have an incredible chance of getting the statistics and the money they needed for that. And again, I ask to see.
We come back to the fact that the 90-day system is not good at all and that you have to review it in priority if you do not want the majority of players to feel a great frustration. it's clearly the dominant mood if you reread the 30 pages.
I also agree. That's why I played 4 times without the solution. But I wanted to be clear that it was impossible to do 100% of the content in 90 days despite what you say. Because even with this solution, it remains impossible!
In short, I just hyper optimized my actions by returning more than 400 times in my backups and finally unlocking what was needed. On all of my 90 days I have almost no action "stupidly" lost or free. I always got something (a lot of money or the "break" skill for example). And so, by doing this way super painful, even there, I did not get to complete the 100% in 90 days.
Wait, wait. The game considers percentages from all events, including those that are only available in early access. You will not be able to pass them until I have finished their development. I do not know where you stopped, but I think that you performed almost all the major quests available in the public version (Maybe you missed some minor quests, but in general 90 days is ok to pass 100% of the public version in your own example:biggrin:. But I plan to add more days to the next build).
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I made a screenshot in my previous post. you can judge if I was far from the current version.
My last action being to go to the river. I got a phone call from who you know ...
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Finally, if we return to the fundamental criticism:
It does not change your bad idea to block at 90 days. In sum, for example, how can it bother you that I reach the end of the current content in 115 days?
I will not have been less motivated to play and replay your game ...
In addition, I understand your desire to try to earn some money with your work on this game by creating a Premium Club. But, as I said in the previous post, you can do it exclusively with backgrounds, characters or exclusive places that are parallel to the main story. A bit like you started with the base and the tournament but more generalized. And release that over time a bit like a simple patreon.
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since the game is updated weekly and updated on Wed, does that mean the game will be updated every Wed or just any day of the following week?
I understand the vision of your game (a great game) and i agree almost all of the thing
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said especially regarding to Alpha points, if you miss 1, because "reasons", or just because you miss clicked something in a replay trough dialogs already read many times, you know you're screwd.(Eg: going to oksana house with 24A, thats it, you can never go back to complete the scenes even if you got more Alpha) and you know from then on that the player felt short forcing a replay over and over from scratch or a save. I agree with you, it needs to be played carefully, but playes should be able to complete most of the tasks whithout the need of a walktrough. and not reach an unwinnable or lock out state altough its not exactly the case
Usually I update the Last Man on Wednesday. But I'm also a human and I work alone, sometimes the game is delayed for a day or two, if I'm sick, or have too much of other work. This week there will be a big update of
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instead of the Last Man.I really enjoyed the game a while ago. That time you had some 30 days or so...
but being forced to get online? MMO? Nope, sorry, not gonna happen for me. There are still countries with quite rigid laws and not very open to such kind of stuff.
Maybe there could be an offline version, a stable one that doesn't need fixes anymore, and limited without the MMO part. It also worked back the days, didn't it? I do understand cloud is a big trend, but doesn't mean your game needs a block-chain now. Not everybody wants to play a game like this sitting in the bus on the phone. I also would be fine with local save games, honestly.
Offer me a offline version and I will jump back on board in a second. But (forced)-online never been a good idea (ask Ubisoft ). Maybe, when your done with the game, and it's finished, there could be an offline variant?
Edit: I should have put that ahead maybe, but let me add it at least...
@vortexcannon: It's your game, your vision, you develop it and work on it and I do respect that.
I agree with a lot comments I read that alpha points are a bit stressful and I guess it just means players need to learn all opportunities in the game (steep learning curve), it's not unusual for VN games anyways to have to replay them until you get what you want (or use a walk through). It's another kind of grinding though but I commit a more enjoyable way than grinding resources. Also I don't really like time limits since I like to take my time exploring a game, but it's your approach and, okay, I can deal with that too.
Just... the online thingy... that's honestly unbearable for me. I also understand I'm not important enough to make an extra offline version just for me, don't worry. But maybe it's not only me, and you could think about it?
but being forced to get online? MMO? Nope, sorry, not gonna happen for me. There are still countries with quite rigid laws and not very open to such kind of stuff.
Maybe there could be an offline version, a stable one that doesn't need fixes anymore, and limited without the MMO part. It also worked back the days, didn't it? I do understand cloud is a big trend, but doesn't mean your game needs a block-chain now. Not everybody wants to play a game like this sitting in the bus on the phone. I also would be fine with local save games, honestly.
Offer me a offline version and I will jump back on board in a second. But (forced)-online never been a good idea (ask Ubisoft
). Maybe, when your done with the game, and it's finished, there could be an offline variant?Edit: I should have put that ahead maybe, but let me add it at least...
@vortexcannon: It's your game, your vision, you develop it and work on it and I do respect that.
I agree with a lot comments I read that alpha points are a bit stressful and I guess it just means players need to learn all opportunities in the game (steep learning curve), it's not unusual for VN games anyways to have to replay them until you get what you want (or use a walk through). It's another kind of grinding though but I commit a more enjoyable way than grinding resources. Also I don't really like time limits since I like to take my time exploring a game, but it's your approach and, okay, I can deal with that too.
Just... the online thingy... that's honestly unbearable for me. I also understand I'm not important enough to make an extra offline version just for me, don't worry. But maybe it's not only me, and you could think about it?
i downloaded it but the pc says its a risky app should i continue or stop .... ? i downloaded it from the official site btw
Because, all my games are amateur indie projects, they are not signed by any developer’s electronic key. For OS or some antiviruses such applications look suspicious. This is the standard procedure in modern operating systems.
@FA80
At the moment there are no plans for offline version, I'm sorry. All my current 4 games use a shared account, so you need to register only once. It takes 10 seconds and does not need any personal information. At my home, even a washing machine goes online, so it's not a problem for the gaming PC to do it
Please try my new game - Red Pill, here
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. It is at an early stage of development, but I hope you will like it :happyblush
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Because, all my games are amateur indie projects, they are not signed by any developer’s electronic key. For OS or some antiviruses such applications look suspicious. This is the standard procedure in modern operating systems.
@FA80
At the moment there are no plans for offline version, I'm sorry. All my current 4 games use a shared account, so you need to register only once. It takes 10 seconds and does not need any personal information. At my home, even a washing machine goes online, so it's not a problem for the gaming PC to do it
so thank you for the reply man that was helpful i already took the liberty of opening the game file ( since im brave and shit xD )and i really liked the game but it was a bit short i wish we get a bit more content soon and i will check your other games too they seem interesting so good job man ( or woman ) and keep up
Thanks for your reply. It's maybe not a problem for you, but it is for me, that's the point I wanted to show. How much privacy one wants is maybe a matter of subjective opinion. You don't need to agree with me, I just tried to explain politely why I can't play your game at the moment / what is my problem with your game, as a feedback. It is not a matter of time and stress to register an account, it's just I don't feel comfortable being online with this game.vortexcannon said:@FA80
At the moment there are no plans for offline version, I'm sorry. All my current 4 games use a shared account, so you need to register only once. It takes 10 seconds and does not need any personal information. At my home, even a washing machine goes online, so it's not a problem for the gaming PC to do it
If you ever consider to make an offline version again, please tell me
and I will try your game again. If not it's okay, too. As I said before:"I also understand I'm not important enough to make an extra offline version just for me, don't worry. But maybe it's not only me, and you could think about it?"
It working, it's forum bug. Change magnet/ to magnet:
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