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That stance would make sense, if there was either a major difference between Patron and Public versions, or if Public versions didn't come as often as Public ones.
Leaking something that everyone will get two weeks later for free isn't "helping" anyone.
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Like i said, that's how he sees it, that's how a lot of people see it (rightly or wrongly) and that's the way it is. Complaining about leaks, while understandable, is ultimately pointless because it won't solve anything.
If this site imposed a 1-2 week "paywall" i'd be totally on board with it, because it ain't (and probably won't) the discussion is wasteful.
It was only accessible here that early because of a leak, the public builds are put up here before the release on Patreon and Subscribestar ONLY when they haven't already leaked.
This basically says it all. Selebus has no control here, but the players of this game more often than not respect him enough not to leak. Literally the only things we patrons get are a two week head start and our names on the boards in the dorms, at the right patron tier, of course. This is an extremely generous deal, I agree on that for sure. I'm not sure I could agree if there was exclusive content as I do tend to look unfavorably on that specific practice.
It does suck to deal with that kind of interaction, and I used to be one of them, though I never ask for a release unless I need an old copy not available outside a third party source like the F95 community, like on another game that got hit by Patreon for incest that I ended up having to go to an old version the developer does not provide and paying for would not get me. I feel for you and don't blame you for not wanting to be here anymore, though it would be a sad day if or when you ever decided to cut ties completely with the thread here.
I'm not so sure the story would allow for that kind of scheduling of H content, have you seen Miku's event line yet? The only interactions so far haven't exactly been desired, she just seems to have issues saying no. The others only really got that kind of content once they were at a point where they were actually willing to go further with player Sensei.Sigh, another good update but with no H-content. Don't get me wrong, still enjoyed it, and I know this game is not one that you fire up dick in hand for a quick wank, but at least one H scene an update would be nice...
Quick Edit: Seeing Sel's reponse above, just chiming in that I'm still a happy patron, just wish there were more lust scenes
Upcoming patches don't typically get preview pics, only a nice little 'title card' displaying any new characters and such. What you might have seen were the gravure sets, which aren't actually part of the game.Is there any pics that shows upcoming content for the next few patches? I remember you making a few before
I typically DON'T like rich girls, especially anime style rich girls, because they typically come with a stuck up, better than anyone else personality that just gets on my nerves and a laugh that makes me want to pull my hair out every time I hear it. I don't mind Touka as much since she seems to be less stuck up and more naive about the lower classes than normal, like a middle ground between the stuck up rich girls and the ones I DO like, which are the gentle ones who remain friendly with the lower classes and treat them with at least some respect.
Just because he got support from us doesn't mean people still actively stealing the game doesn't get him down, of course it would. I agree on the grace period, but I think it should be 2 weeks of no uploading of patron versions.
Exactly, I for one know it is not okay and don't pretend it is. I know doing it is wrong, so I only limit it to times where it is my only option, such as games uploaded here that aren't even available to me legally in the first place. It's a shitty practice, but it is the only way I would ever get to play games like that.
Very true, handling the situation in a respectful way goes a long way toward gaining the support of those who once stole from you in the past. It wasn't what won me, an admitted past thief of this game, over, but it might have even if the writing hadn't.
That's actually a great idea, though like some of the tag ideas that the user base has thrown toward the staff, it is unlikely to get a positive response. This would also curb issues with bugs since some developers use the public release method Selebus does as a beta test period, where leaks would likely lead to bugs and ruined saves. That's happened A LOT over in the Harem Hotel thread.
For those alone, I would not since I don't really go on Discord all that much, but I have the development of this and possibly future games to look forward to that gives me all the reason I need to pay Selebus.
Or worse, the same day, sometimes as little as within an hour.
It will be once it has my best girl in the system.
Agreed, a month is a bit long.
Agreed, if nothing is left to gain, Selebus, it isn't worth sticking around. Your health and well being is absolute top priority even above the game itself, so if getting away from here is necessary to keep that in check, know that we will miss your interactions, but please do it for your own sake.
Agreed, but he does have a point. Especially with how things have been over the last couple years, where getting an income capable of supporting that kind of monthly payment is harder than normal. Things are getting better, but we aren't there yet.
It would and he would possibly suffer less emotionally and mentally. It does still pay to be nice because becoming known as a bad developer for any reason would damage the game's standing as well, however. Any negativity that spreads out from here threatens to stall any increase in patrons on reputation alone and may even begin to decrease patrons. One thing I have noticed is that people don't like to support developers who act terribly toward their players and potential patrons, that goes on the same level as developers who are slow or don't develop much at all in order milk patrons as far as what developers become known for. You can have a fantastic game, but the second your reputation becomes that of a developer who treats people with disrespect or milks patrons, you're out.
No, no we are not. I once stole this game before becoming a patron, I'm going to be beating myself over that for a while, but I NEVER would have distributed what I stole.
It does bring people together and it is great that it does, at least as long as we don't all get caught up in some sort of law enforcement sting op, as unlikely as that is. What you're describing sounds a lot like an internet Robin Hood.
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No, no it is not. If there was exclusive content, sure, but not when everyone gets everything on a delay.
Indeed, a paywall period would be of benefit even if it ultimately still leaves a period of piracy, just not as much, by a large margin, as completely cutting off piracy, which is just not in the cards.
What a cute little girl, right ? KIRIN HELP !
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Oh boy, I know I'm gonna stir up a hornet's nest here but I feel this needs to be stated:
1) This is a site where piracy is common. (Officially, it's an adult games community)
2) The keynote behind recurring crowd funding or early access is that a project is able to be financed. So you technically don't pay for the whole product rather than the possibility that the product will eventually be finished, which wouldn't be possible otherwise.
So, why am I writing this? Because I hate seeing a dev guilt tripping the community into forced obedience.Especially when the guilt tripper's first post on this site was literally a support to pirate
And yes, it has been discussed already. Many times. But it's still relevant that this site is an absolute goldmine to advertise your game.
In case of Selebus, targeting a group of that size (Members: 3,692,022) would propably
Now onto the next thing. It also has been discussed on this page but adult game devs using Illusion's games to create their assets are, at best, operating in a grey zone. You know, the same grey zone pirating these games is in. (More or less. Pirating Mangagamer stuff is obviously another story. I'm relating to Patreon/SS funded games)
So yeah, Selebus. In my eyes, you shouldn't be throwing infantile tantrums everytime someone asks for it to be leaked. You are making close to 10k/month and a leak won't change that. And no, I don't play your game, I didn't play it since 0.2 because I can't get behind the fact that the MC is named Sensei.
This is, obviously, just my humble, semi-objective opinion because I saw your fit of rage in the game request section. You shouldn't point your finger at others if you're not free of any guilt.
1) This is a site where piracy is common. (Officially, it's an adult games community)
2) The keynote behind recurring crowd funding or early access is that a project is able to be financed. So you technically don't pay for the whole product rather than the possibility that the product will eventually be finished, which wouldn't be possible otherwise.
So, why am I writing this? Because I hate seeing a dev guilt tripping the community into forced obedience.
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. And yes, it has been discussed already. Many times. But it's still relevant that this site is an absolute goldmine to advertise your game.
In case of Selebus, targeting a group of that size (Members: 3,692,022) would propably
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his entire income. You know, targeted advertising and stuff.Now onto the next thing. It also has been discussed on this page but adult game devs using Illusion's games to create their assets are, at best, operating in a grey zone. You know, the same grey zone pirating these games is in. (More or less. Pirating Mangagamer stuff is obviously another story. I'm relating to Patreon/SS funded games)
So yeah, Selebus. In my eyes, you shouldn't be throwing infantile tantrums everytime someone asks for it to be leaked. You are making close to 10k/month and a leak won't change that. And no, I don't play your game, I didn't play it since 0.2 because I can't get behind the fact that the MC is named Sensei.
This is, obviously, just my humble, semi-objective opinion because I saw your fit of rage in the game request section. You shouldn't point your finger at others if you're not free of any guilt.
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Forced? We're obeying willingly out of respect, there is no guilt tripping. Nobody here is forcing anybody else to do anything they don't already want to do. Everyone here who has chosen to wait until the actual public release has done so of their own free will as has anyone here who is actively supporting Selebus.
Illusion has always taken an 'it's fine to make other games with our software' stance, that's literally what the studio was made for. The only people who ever rose a stink about piracy over Illusion assets was Fakku and they have been real quiet on the subject for a while now, probably told to knock it off by Illusion because they only have distribution rights to one version of one game. No, pirating these games is NOT in a grey zone at all, it is very much illegal as is ALL piracy. Selebus would actually have every right as the developer of HIS game to go to the police if he wanted, the only thing stopping us from being arrested is a lack of identification on this site. He is gracious enough to not even attempt it even though he is the one losing out if he does not.
Infantile tantrums? I see no such thing here. A developer has every right to complain about piracy of THEIR game, I would be doing the same thing if I were being pirated from, and Selebus isn't really even doing that much, he's been very nice about the subject. This is one reason I don't openly develop games on the internet, but choose instead to keep all assets on local storage until completion, though I also didn't have any compulsion to release a game for myself until this game inspired me to do it over the last few updates, I've only ever developed for myself.
You would be wrong about how quickly people converting their source of a project like this from the actual developer's official links to pirate links can cut into profits, it is actually VERY easy to make Selebus's income from this game completely flatline. It doesn't actually matter how much he makes, the threat of the game completely dying because of a lack of income is always there. He doesn't even have to lose the entire 10k, he only has to drop below making enough to support his expenses, then development is on the chopping block under the immediate threat of termination because he has to find one or more jobs to support himself, which means far less time to work on the game. You don't seem to understand that game development isn't just some monetary commitment and doesn't just take minutes out of his day, he literally spends hours a day working on this, most, if not all, developers do. Hours he wouldn't have without that 10k.
I'll end this response with an extremely valid question. If you don't play, why are you even here? You've said yourself you found a reason to stop playing and it sounds very much like there is no chance you will return, so why even bother commenting? I'm not telling you to leave, which is a valid option by the way, I'm just curious why you still hang around a thread for a game you will never pick back up. It's not like Sensei is ever going to get a name change, that would be WAY too much work at this point. There have to be at least a thousand references to that name by now.
Hi, I'm Selebus and I am here to guilt trip people into paying $5 for the game I add three hours of content to every month all by my infantile self. You should all feel very bad and you should all empty your wallets into my crib.
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3 (2*1.5h?)? That's at least 20 hours (1.5h => 10h?) for me. Am i the only one? Don't know if i should question my ability to focus or be proud i try to
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Some updates can take longer than others to find all the event triggers, certainly, but a single update has never taken me more than 4 hours to consume, except maybe the giant head-pat update, because I had to take breaks from all the pat-clicking.
Alright... Wow, can't believe I'm wading into this, because yeah, hornet's nest. I think even Selebus agrees with your basic point, but what you're missing, is that Selebus offers this game, completely free, just 2 weeks delayed, so that he can incentivize Patreon support. He isn't against the free distribution of his hard work, because he gets that he's earning a living developing this game now, and I'm sure he's grateful of the opportunity. Imagine however, that every other week you took all the product in your store and gave it away for free, then restocked the shelves with new product, and people continued to vandalize your store and steal your products... That would be a big bummer.
To Selebus, please keep heart. "The only thing necessary for the Triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." I wish people wouldn't leak the Patreon version of this game, but sites like F95zone are necessary to navigate the works of other devs that aren't as good as you. We all know that there are devs that don't release free versions on their works, and then just disappear with thousands of dollars in funding. Vaporware was an issue for a long time, and it still is, and sites like this combat that. Unfortunately, that promotes opinions of entitlement, and good people, good devs, get abused by those with a devil-may-care attitude. I hope you know that this community does support you, and we hope you'll continue to join us in discussion of your masterful work of art.
Thanks so much dude! I really appreciate that. And yup, you hit the nail on the head with your entire explanation.
It's just interesting how I can literally say "I don't really mind the people who pirate the game" and DONATE MONEY TO THIS WEBSITE and still have keyboard warriors who don't even play the game show up and try to call me a child for sticking up for my consumers. Shit's wack, yo.
Ok, I'll start by answering this first. I did mention that I saw the game request thread. That's it.
You and I can only speak for ourselves. If you don't feel pressured, that's good. But there may be people who feel guilt tripped but I probably went to far there. But look at the request. It's radio silent there. It seems to me that everyone feels guilty, can wait for the free release or the game isn't that popular, but the activity in this thread paints a different picture. I could dig out some old request threads and compare them but I really don't want to.
Just because Illusion won't sue anyone does not mean it's legal now. I didn't follow the whole developments regarding Fakku's attempts, but i wouldn't go there saying that Illusion told them to 'knock it off'. Their
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still state that any other use than playing is prohibited. That's why I said 'grey zone', making a game out of 'stolen' assets won't protect it from piracy. But that's an assumption, the topic is too complex and I'm not a lawyer. And even if you are one, I don't think that you're authorized in every country.Yeah, I may have exaggerated there. But I think getting snappy at everyone isn't the right way. It's not the wrong either, especially trying to protect your work.
I didn't say that he doesn't deserve this nor that he doesn't work his ass off.
Anyway, I said what I had to say. You did aswell. As I mentioned the whole thing is rather complex, so I tried to keep it simple. My point is, for me, it feels wrong to lunge at anyone requesting things on a site where requesting things is a core feature. Legality aside, we have quite the nice ecosystem here and I hope it stays that way.
This is where I agree with you. I think it was a bit out of line to say Selebus has childish tantrums, but you already acknowledged that. And I get what you're saying. Nobody wants to think that them requesting a game because they can't afford it will be the straw that kills off a great game early, and too many devs have already wielded that excuse like a 2 ton warhammer.
To be clear though, I don't think that's what Selebus is doing, and they have every right to feel how they feel, and to voice those feelings, I simply hope that they don't lose sight of all the love and support available here, because it does come with a dose of depression and hate from an ugly side of this community that we sometimes like to ignore a bit too much.
Fuck, overlooked that, my bad. And yeah, maybe I should so I can relate better to this stuff.
I wouldn't call that mature, bro. But yeah, I said I may have exaggerated but instantly calling me a keyboard warrior for stating some stuff (with sources) isn't really legit either. But that depends on the definition of keyboard warrior.
Yeah I'm getting called out for my fast food tier list on the Discord rn so I'm a little heated and took it out on you, I'm sorry
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I'm reading this as "people upset I ranked Whataburger over In n Out" or "people upset I ranked In n Out over Whataburger."
Probably because 9 out of 10 conversations involving fast food and Texans wind up being exactly this argument in my experience.
Nah they all trippin' because I put White Castle in S Tier