Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.41.0] [Selebus]

[alex2011]

It could be possible that Haruka finally snaps and abducts Rin (assuming she doesn’t turn out to be her lost daughter or something).
Or similarly; Maki tends to have something of an obsession with Haruka. But in this case; I’d wish them all the best (and perhaps Sensi gets a regular kitty threesome).

Unless I’m mistaken; nothing says such unsavoury nonsense can’t be girl-get-girl...

Yeah, I don't see that happening, Molly, maybe, given what we saw at the end of Rin's route so far, but Haruka? I just don't see it.

There actually is no hard rule about who can cause an NTR situation, it can be a guy or a girl, it just has to be someone the one being stolen is not in a relationship with, the one being stolen has to already be in a relationship, and the one being stolen has to willingly begin to prefer the one who stole them over their own lover. Especially that third one is crucial since, if it doesn't involve the girl starting to fall for the one stealing them, it's only cheating, which is not the same. The one being stolen can be male or female, but the one being stolen cannot be the character whose point of view it is happening from or it is instead classified as reverse Netorare and the point of view cannot be from the one stealing or it is classified as Netori. The one stealing can also be male or female as long as the above conditions are met, it's usually a guy, but there are a few cases in existence that have shown a girl doing the stealing, usually a yuri situation as the guy being the one stolen is especially rare, more so than the rare cases of girls doing the stealing.

Recently I have acquired VR equipment, and having just started on the 16.2 release, I couldn't help but start imagining this as a VR game... I hope that when VR is much more common, and there are tools making it easier to make VR games that Selebus seriously considers recreating this game in VR. The happy scenes would be so much more impactful, and the girls would seem even more like real people than they already do.

VR and VN don't exactly go well together. If this were a game like Koikatsu, the game used for the graphics, maybe, but a VN doesn't make much sense as a VR game.

Can anybody help with the computer code for the There is Nothing event?

Check the guide on the front page

There's also the replay function in the event tracker and I THINK that was given in one of the Trinity 'happy' scenes, but I would have to check my notes.

I think you mean fortunately, if you just accept the good and ignore the bad you risk creating an echo chamber.

A good example of this is the beginning portion of this game, it's rough, the game has a very specific tone that i like but others seem to hate, and that's the constant back and forth between vanilla lightheartedness and somewhat dark (and in some cases uncomfortable) scenes.

I love that shit, it reminds me of Cross Days (which probably served as an inspiration for this game).

I wouldn't be surprised if some people start to peel off the further this game goes down that path, it's inevitable, but the bulk will stick by.

That is very true, I know of a couple developers who deliberately turned their comments into an echo chamber, looking at you, Innoxia of Lilith's Throne. The comments becoming an echo chamber is an EXTREMELY bad thing to have happen and it can quickly lead a project to ruin. That said, the negativity here is mostly personal preference regarding the darkening tone, the inability to avoid 'happy' scenes, the inability to avoid consequences, and other similar things and not something that can be fixed without a major change to the structure of the game or even the story in the case of the tone and 'happy' scenes since the latter literally IS the main story and therefore extremely important.

People peeling off is exactly what I am concerned about and an entire reason I defend Selebus's views on piracy of his game. The way I see it, it is GOING to happen, so he needs to be in the best position possible to resist the effects of that peel off period or the project will be in serious danger even if he does intend to continue no matter what.

Who were you in My Time at Portia? That's one of the better games I've played in the last five years

Edit: My guess is Papa Bear

Indeed, it is a pretty good one, I should go back through it one of these days to see if I can tell who Selebus was. I've gotten fairly good at identifying both the source of written and spoken word based on delivery and, in the case of spoken, voice pitch to the point where I have around 6 different voice actors I can immediately identify with a single word, so this should be a fun little challenge.

Piracy isn't wrong.

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It never did and it never will. I don't get how this argument is still able to persist, you'll even see these types of comments on private torrent sites. The SEGA Saturn is a much better example of how piracy can cause actual damage, but to simply speculate on a potential dollar amount of lost revenue is just silly.

I enjoy this game very much and I'm looking forward to paying Selebus upon the completion of this title. I'm sad to hear about this affecting him/her on a personal level, I'd imagine that I would experience strong negative emotions myself despite having a clear stance on piracy not being wrong.

Piracy isn't wrong.

Except the part where it actually is. Make no mistake, it may be condoned on sites like this and may not be very heavily enforced against, this site would be toast if it was, but it IS wrong. It is a form of stealing, which is inherently wrong and makes piracy wrong by extension.

The amount of dowloads do not equal the number of "lost sales".

Piracy 102, the amount of unofficial sources, AKA pirate sources, DO add to the number of lost sales.

It never did and it never will. I don't get how this argument is still able to persist, you'll even see these types of comments on private torrent sites. The SEGA Saturn is a much better example of how piracy can cause actual damage, but to simply speculate on a potential dollar amount of lost revenue is just silly.

It persists because it is true, as all truth persists.

It's objectively wrong. I don't understand why do people persist in trying to justify them doing it and making up excuses. There are valid reasons for doing it, you do it, I do it, but it's objectively wrong. Were is this need for validation of your life choices comes from?



That I wholeheartedly agree on.



This is also valid way.



You were doing so good, what happened?

Indeed, I think it is an attempt to convince themselves using the Goebbels principle, a lie repeated many times eventually becomes true to the person who it is repeated to. They don't want to feel the negativity that comes inherently with doing something wrong, so they make their mind believe that it isn't.

Wait, do you seriously go by the moniker "DJ Horn"? That is amazing.
How is that not one of the special lust names already?

Yes please, maybe for Niki?

 

[Deleted member 1697433]

Wait, do you seriously go by the moniker "DJ Horn"? That is amazing.
How is that not one of the special lust names already?

That is my actual name and I'd prefer it not be posted here

 

[jesusjackct]

That is my actual name and I'd prefer it not be posted here

Is somebody shy ?

 

[r3ck5]

I think you mean fortunately, if you just accept the good and ignore the bad you risk creating an echo chamber.

There's a difference between only accepting the good/ignoring the bad, and letting them get to you. Negative comments/reviews can be a fire to improve, but it can also undermine your mood in some cases. That was the only thing I meant about it. Not that he should flat out ignore them.

 

[El_Zane_123]

Recently I have acquired VR equipment, and having just started on the 16.2 release, I couldn't help but start imagining this as a VR game... I hope that when VR is much more common, and there are tools making it easier to make VR games that Selebus seriously considers recreating this game in VR. The happy scenes would be so much more impactful, and the girls would seem even more like real people than they already do.

You want to kill me, right?
A lot of scenes are scary mindfucks already, in VR it would totally screw us over. Royally.

The sex scenes would probably be cooler that way though, but given how much Sel hates the declaration of LiL as a porn game (and many of us but treating it as one either anymore) I can't see this as an argument for a LiL VR adaption ^^

Also, some Makoto, Maya and Yumi events in VR would be an instant ticket into your next psychiatry, so yeah XD

 

[Nihilistic]

Apologies if this has been clarified somewhere, but how does the division between chapters interact with newly added content? If I go to chapter 2, and new stuff gets added to chapter 1, will I miss out on it?

Id like to know this as well.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Apologies if this has been clarified somewhere, but how does the division between chapters interact with newly added content? If I go to chapter 2, and new stuff gets added to chapter 1, will I miss out on it?

For the moment, Chapter 1 is completed and will not get new content.

Selebus has stated that at some point down the line, he will go back to the earliest content and update it to match the tone and pacing of the rest of the game, but I don't think that's happening terribly soon.

 

[alex2011]

Apologies if this has been clarified somewhere, but how does the division between chapters interact with newly added content? If I go to chapter 2, and new stuff gets added to chapter 1, will I miss out on it?

Id like to know this as well.

For the moment, Chapter 1 is completed and will not get new content.

Selebus has stated that at some point down the line, he will go back to the earliest content and update it to match the tone and pacing of the rest of the game, but I don't think that's happening terribly soon.

Also, chapter 1 won't be added to, it's over and now we've moved on to a new part of the story. The only edits to it would be changes to existing story, which as Barglenarglezous said, is planned.

You want to kill me, right?
A lot of scenes are scary mindfucks already, in VR it would totally screw us over. Royally.

The sex scenes would probably be cooler that way though, but given how much Sel hates the declaration of LiL as a porn game (and many of us but treating it as one either anymore) I can't see this as an argument for a LiL VR adaption ^^

Also, some Makoto, Maya and Yumi events in VR would be an instant ticket into your next psychiatry, so yeah XD

Imagine the first couple 'happy' scenes in VR, those have already been said to be the scariest part of the game by multiple people. Then there's Bluejay. I could name quite a few events that would have an amplified effect. That said, I still don't see the point of reading a VN in VR.

 

[mannice431]

They should honestly have a dedicated theories subpage on the official discord channel, i'd love to see some theories about this game, because it's pretty mindscrewy so far.

 

[r3ck5]

Then there's Bluejay. I could name quite a few events that would have an amplified effect. That said, I still don't see the point of reading a VN in VR.

Bluejay in VR would utterly destroy me. The rest of the happy scenes, not too bad. It's like horror in VR. But that one scene... No thank you. I'd skip past it entirely for reasons.

 

[BlackDays]

Picture time again.

Why do i always, when i see this

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think about him?

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[christof rauch]

Well shit. I have missed some events because there is absolutely 0 indication on what to do next. Now 3 girls have been "cut out" of my harem ending. Epic sadness.....

THIS alone is why this game needs an ACTUAL walkthrough, not some screwed up guide that barely manages to actually provide useful information to further.

Because of the oh so complicated manner in which events, progress, and activities within the game are processed and supposedly made to happen; as much as I enjoyed this game, I must perforce stop playing it. once it becomes less complicated (if it ever does) I may be willing to give it another chance. Barring it becoming less complicated, the only other way I would even consider giving it another chance is if a true and thorough walkthrough is made and "published" for the game.

As I said, Good game except for its ridiculously complicated gameplay. Good luck on the game and I sincerely hope it succeeds in future.

 

[Lolicon Kami]

THIS alone is why this game needs an ACTUAL walkthrough, not some screwed up guide that barely manages to actually provide useful information to further.

Because of the oh so complicated manner in which events, progress, and activities within the game are processed and supposedly made to happen; as much as I enjoyed this game, I must perforce stop playing it. once it becomes less complicated (if it ever does) I may be willing to give it another chance. Barring it becoming less complicated, the only other way I would even consider giving it another chance is if a true and thorough walkthrough is made and "published" for the game.

As I said, Good game except for its ridiculously complicated gameplay. Good luck on the game and I sincerely hope it succeeds in future.

Honestly, I don't get why some people think this is so complicated. LiL is the second non-linear visual novel I've ever played, and I've been able to get all scenes without a walkthrough...

Anyone else feel that LiL isn't that complicating?

 

[christof rauch]

Honestly, I don't get why some people think this is so complicated. LiL is the second non-linear visual novel I've ever played, and I've been able to get all scenes without a walkthrough...

Anyone else feel that LiL isn't that complicating?

I have played this from the beginning at least6 times, and on at least 4 of those times I attempted to use the Guide, Hints, event mod, etc, and STILL failed to complete all events, missed significant progress within the game, etc.

The guide, at least for me, is a joke that really tells nothing, the hints are so vague as to be useless, and the event tracker mod is nearly as useless. THAT is why I said this game needs a real and clear walkthrough (for peopl like me who do not have hours upon hours trying to figure out what triggers each and every event, girl's progress, and any other mysterious happenings within the game.This is not to say the game is a failure or not worth playing, but not everyone is able to figure out everything they need to do to advance the game.

 

[LooLoo Baloo]

Honestly, I don't get why some people think this is so complicated. LiL is the second non-linear visual novel I've ever played, and I've been able to get all scenes without a walkthrough...

Anyone else feel that LiL isn't that complicating?

I think mostly, as others have said, it's triggering specific events that I've found complicated at times. Mostly the happy events. And these can block progress with the main story, which led to me getting quite frustrated with it a few times. Now I just use the wiki while I play
It gets easier when you're caught up, because then it's pretty obvious which characters you have to focus on to progress the main story as you can follow the most recent changelog. But if you're far behind, it can feel all over the place in terms of where to go
As for the gameplay itself, it really isn't too difficult. I'm so glad it isn't filled with minigames or items for fetch quests etc. You can relax to the gameplay. It's just the event triggers that can be difficult
I'm not meaning to complain about the game though, just that's what I found personally

 

[hcguy]

Honestly, I don't get why some people think this is so complicated. LiL is the second non-linear visual novel I've ever played, and I've been able to get all scenes without a walkthrough...

Anyone else feel that LiL isn't that complicating?

I don't find it complicated at all (playing it, that is - there's a lot of story going on, of course).

 

[Kitsune241]

I have played this from the beginning at least6 times, and on at least 4 of those times I attempted to use the Guide, Hints, event mod, etc, and STILL failed to complete all events, missed significant progress within the game, etc.

The guide, at least for me, is a joke that really tells nothing, the hints are so vague as to be useless, and the event tracker mod is nearly as useless. THAT is why I said this game needs a real and clear walkthrough (for peopl like me who do not have hours upon hours trying to figure out what triggers each and every event, girl's progress, and any other mysterious happenings within the game.This is not to say the game is a failure or not worth playing, but not everyone is able to figure out everything they need to do to advance the game.

I don't think I've ever seen someone say a VN has "ridiculously complicated gameplay" before.
Cause it's really not, you raise affection to a multiple of 5, you check a girl's dorm and hangout spot, and if nothing happens you move on to a different girl (wow that sound's bad out of context, but par for the course for Sensei I guess). It definitely doesn't take hours to figure out how to trigger the next thing.

Personally I've only really used the guide for two kinds of things: a couple HAPPY scenes, only two of which are actually missable, and figuring out how not to trigger the next big story section because I wanted to finish the character specific events first and it was too easy to accidentally trigger the story.

But hey, if that's all it takes for you to quit don't let me stop you.

 

[Valdurial]

Will you, too, become a tree? We can plant ourselves right next to each other. And spend the rest our lives doing tree things. We can show each other our branches. Our leaves. The wide part. And our roots.

Pretty sure the dev just asked me to send pics of my butthole. 10/10

 

[thefetussundae]

Gust

I totally banged the cancer out of your sister then

Great work! You doing anything for Sandrock?

(If your actual sister has cancer I apologize so hard)

 

[BlackDays]

I totally banged the cancer out of your sister then

Great work! You doing anything for Sandrock?

(If your actual sister has cancer I apologize so hard)

And you think that only if Selebus has no sister with cancer that would make your post not so much look like it's from a 12 year old?
But i can tell you so much that as far as i remember one of the people involved in creating the game had a relative that died and Ginger was created with that at least in mind. /e To be exact (wiki): "According to the producer of My Time at Portia, Ginger is inspired by and honors her aunt who passed away from cancer." Ginger hasn't cancer but rather something like Erythropoietic Protoporphyria.

By the way a whole lot of people went berserk when they found out what could happen to Ginger if you played for ingame years after the story ended, especially people in china. That's why ultimately Pathea Games changed a bit of the game in that regard.