Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.52.0] [Selebus]

[JohnnyRazer]

Read through the last pages and I think I have something to add to the discussion.

I partly agree that some events seemed rushed or somewhat out of character, but I have some kind of explanation to this (though I'm not sure it's exactly the case here).

The thing is, the game world is breaking apart. In some cases slower, in some faster, but everything around Sensei is crumbling down, including himself. I don't know how to describe it, but look at Kirin, look at Ami, at Makoto (who's already gone past breaking point and reverted). Some of the girls are stronger and resist, some are weak and succumb faster.

As alex said about Denpa genre - "Familiar characters acting in unfamiliar ways.". I would rephrase it as something like "Familiar characters starting to manifest their worst traits and take them to the limit".
I know it's a slippery slope and may seem like an excuse for bad writing, but that's how I understand what's going on - the world is breaking and that's leading to all kind of weird and uncharacteristic shit snowballing faster and faster as the story progresses.

 

[crustlord12]

I still love how Selebus writes, and found this last update still pretty good. Not every update will be critically acclaimed by all.

But, still, I do have questions/curiosity about how much of the story has been planned, and how much is being written up as they go along. I understand that the whole story can't be fully written already, and that there's likely a loose plot Sel has written out, I'm just a bit curious how concrete the plan is

 

[Kneko]

Android Port please. this game is Great

 

[alex2011]

Some perspective on this

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1) Exactly

2) That did happen, but I didn't even consider it playing into the situation with how it played out. It was part of a game where that kind of thing is inherently involved, granted Rin did seem apprehensive and hadn't exactly made it clear she wasn't in on said game.

3) That it does

4) I can definitely see a distinct possibility. Otoha is the kind of girl that wants to be the ONLY one for her lover and she can see that won't be happening any time soon with Rin. This is likely a big turn off toward the idea of getting together with Rin and could be a catalyst for a repeat of the original beach event. Rin obviously doesn't see this, she's too love struck to or she just doesn't care enough to notice and she won't until she hears words to that effect come from Otoha because Otoha is all she sees. I didn't really think it was going to happen this update, but I did think there was going to be major progress in setting up for it and boy was I right, unfortunately. That poor girl is going to need some serious help, possibly more than Futaba and Chika can handle.

And presumably Tsukasa as well, who wasn't excluded when Selebus answered the question, but also didn't exist yet.

I would say anyone fitting a similar description to that of Chinami will not get anything official.

Read through the last pages and I think I have something to add to the discussion.

I partly agree that some events seemed rushed or somewhat out of character, but I have some kind of explanation to this (though I'm not sure it's exactly the case here).

The thing is, the game world is breaking apart. In some cases slower, in some faster, but everything around Sensei is crumbling down, including himself. I don't know how to describe it, but look at Kirin, look at Ami, at Makoto (who's already gone past breaking point and reverted). Some of the girls are stronger and resist, some are weak and succumb faster.

As alex said about Denpa genre - "Familiar characters acting in unfamiliar ways.". I would rephrase it as something like "Familiar characters starting to manifest their worst traits and take them to the limit".
I know it's a slippery slope and may seem like an excuse for bad writing, but that's how I understand what's going on - the world is breaking and that's leading to all kind of weird and uncharacteristic shit snowballing faster and faster as the story progresses.

That quote isn't actually my words, it was from VNDB. What you added is very much a part of their definition, not necessarily stated, but it is under consideration as part of what is. We are definitely starting to see some very bad things brewing and it is only a matter of time until things get to their worst. I think Rin is on the edge as of this update and next update we might actually see her break entirely, hopefully with a reset after like with Makoto.

I still love how Selebus writes, and found this last update still pretty good. Not every update will be critically acclaimed by all.

But, still, I do have questions/curiosity about how much of the story has been planned, and how much is being written up as they go along. I understand that the whole story can't be fully written already, and that there's likely a loose plot Sel has written out, I'm just a bit curious how concrete the plan is

Definitely not, otherwise this game wouldn't be slated for multiple years of development. I would say it's probably more of a middle ground, not entirely set, but not a completely blank slate. He has some idea where it will go, but only has the full idea closer to release per update.

Android Port please. this game is Great

Use Joiplay on the Windows version, the game is getting too big to port.

 

[barglenarglezous]

4) I can definitely see a distinct possibility. Otoha is the kind of girl that wants to be the ONLY one for her lover and she can see that won't be happening any time soon with Rin. This is likely a big turn off toward the idea of getting together with Rin and could be a catalyst for a repeat of the original beach event. Rin obviously doesn't see this, she's too love struck to or she just doesn't care enough to notice and she won't until she hears words to that effect come from Otoha because Otoha is all she sees. I didn't really think it was going to happen this update, but I did think there was going to be major progress in setting up for it and boy was I right, unfortunately. That poor girl is going to need some serious help, possibly more than Futaba and Chika can handle.

I'll also add -- Rin went from pining for Chika to absolutely fixated on Otoha in the span of about 3 chords. Otoha is right to be worried about being a rebound, because that's a VERY whip-lashy bounce.

 

[Wafflewaffuru]

I think my biggest problem with the update was how whiplashy Rin was, and how out of character she was, without any deviations in between. She went from 10 to 0 in an instant. Even in Denpa games, there's a buildup to that extremely erratic character break. Sayori, who starts out just late, needing to bum for food, to completely disregarding her appearance because she can't even sleep dealing with her own mental illness. Even in Denpa games, there's a sequence. To completely sequence break them is completely out of character for the genre itself. Kinda like what happened with Osako. There was nothing to lead to those events. It was erratic and contrived like I said. Even for the denpa formula, it was jarring.

 

[Cerpin]

I'm starting to get a little concerned that Selebus might have actually observed my teenage life, or have footage of it.

Urgh, why do we choose to stick up for ourselves at the worst possible moments?

 

[crustlord12]

Definitely not, otherwise this game wouldn't be slated for multiple years of development. I would say it's probably more of a middle ground, not entirely set, but not a completely blank slate. He has some idea where it will go, but only has the full idea closer to release per update.

I know you're a superfan of sorts, but I'd still rather Sel's input on this

 

[JohnnyRazer]

I think my biggest problem with the update was how whiplashy Rin was, and how out of character she was, without any deviations in between. She went from 10 to 0 in an instant. Even in Denpa games, there's a buildup to that extremely erratic character break. Sayori, who starts out just late, needing to bum for food, to completely disregarding her appearance because she can't even sleep dealing with her own mental illness. Even in Denpa games, there's a sequence. To completely sequence break them is completely out of character for the genre itself. Kinda like what happened with Osako. There was nothing to lead to those events. It was erratic and contrived like I said. Even for the denpa formula, it was jarring.

Yeah, I understand you, dude, and I'm a little concerned myself. But I still think that with Rin there were some more subtle clues, which we may not have picked on the first sight. People in this thread already pointed some out. As for Osako, that's harder to justify, but I think it'll be explained in the next updates (but in my opinion too that wasn't a very good decision)

Anyway, we can't look into Selebus's head, so we can't be sure if it was a misstep or part of greater plan, like, I dunno, making the pace intentionally erratic to emphasize the decay of the world.
So far Selebus hasn't betrayed my expectations and I want to hope and believe that he knows what he's doing.

 

[barglenarglezous]

As for Osako, that's harder to justify, but I think it'll be explained in the next updates (but in my opinion too that wasn't a very good decision)

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Wakana's only been telegraphing that since her first appearance.

 

[JohnnyRazer]

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Wakana's only been telegraphing that since her first appearance.

Yep, there was just no direct premise for it in recent events, at least I haven't noticed one. That's why it was a little strange and out of place for me.

 

[seventhsword]

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[barglenarglezous]

Yep, there was just no direct premise for it in recent events, at least I haven't noticed one. That's why it was a little strange and out of place for me.

Except there was.

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[nikki007]

Nice game

 

[JohnnyRazer]

Except there was.

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Yeah, I read that earlier and I agree with your words, that's why I said that "I" didn't notice. I'm not the most observant person, and two weeks/months gap is enough for me to forget some details.

All I want to say, is that it's too early to jump to conclusions and say "bad writing", "genius planning" etc. after one or two "controversial" updates. We don't have the full picture to judge, future updates will show us who was right.

 

[seamanq]

Ok, I forgot that Osako works in the dojo. Once I finished the events with Wakana and Osako, after Friday night, the beach event triggered. BTW, I still have open events with Haruka, but that didn't seem to matter.

 

[AgumenticR]

Rin behaving as she did was not out of character at all. With how hard she was pining for Otoha and how much she was concentrating on a confession, all exacerbated by her mental issues, she probably quite literally doesn't have the mental wherewithal to pay attention to anything other than that. Also, suffering from something in the past doesn't actually mean you'll automatically be super-empathetic to people suffering from the same thing now. So yeah, Rin was fairly shitty to Molly in this update and in a few before it, that doesn't mean that her character was ruined, it just means she is a flawed human being who can hurt others, even if not on purpose.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

I think my biggest problem with the update was how whiplashy Rin was, and how out of character she was, without any deviations in between. She went from 10 to 0 in an instant. Even in Denpa games, there's a buildup to that extremely erratic character break. Sayori, who starts out just late, needing to bum for food, to completely disregarding her appearance because she can't even sleep dealing with her own mental illness. Even in Denpa games, there's a sequence. To completely sequence break them is completely out of character for the genre itself. Kinda like what happened with Osako. There was nothing to lead to those events. It was erratic and contrived like I said. Even for the denpa formula, it was jarring.

That was totally in character for Rin man... she always comes off as adhd with a mix of mild bipolar which is very whiplashy. extreme highs and extreme lows with no real inbetween for bipolar, poor judgement and impulsive actions being common for those with adhd.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

Yep, there was just no direct premise for it in recent events, at least I haven't noticed one. That's why it was a little strange and out of place for me.

wakana literally has a catch phrase man... we will learn more about her, this is just a Segway to that

 

[SymbolicSalad]

Don't really get the whole wakana thing coming out of nowhere, felt like it's been building up to it for quite awhile now.